The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either

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Franz Wagner is so skilled and long. Just no weaknesses that I can see. Really outplayed Barnes on both sides. I think he is high lottery, definitely top ten.

He's like Battier. Won't be a superstar but should be an elite glue guy.

Barnes I guess can run a bench unit but he just plays so small out there. It's like he only uses his height to pass over people.

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Mobley should be the #1 pick

yep! defensive potential is unreal. passing on point. scoring on point. boards on point. he'd be a real good get. but we'd need lotto luck at this point to be in contention. whoever gets him is getting a hell of a player.

That's what I've been saying. He's just taking it easy and let the guards eat.

[WuTang_CMB]

Lets get both cunningham and mobley

[WuTang_CMB]

Fantasy world
I know lol

[aminiaturebuddha]

Thanks for all those clips, DG88. I don't want to quote your post and take up so much space on this page.

But is it just me, or does Kuminga seem to travel on half of his drives at the beginning of that video? I only saw a couple of the Ignite games this year, and didn't really notice it then, but it's really noticeable in those clips. I guess he didn't get called for it much because they seem to keep playing after every one there, but I think he's going to have to do something about his footwork or he'll start getting called for it in the NBA. He won't get the benefit of the doubt as a rookie like he might as a "star" in the G-League.

That said, he still seems to have a lot of natural talent. The top 5 of this draft (in whatever order - Cade, Mobley, Green, Kuminga, Suggs) seem to have low bust potential.

[mdenny]

I've only seen them play around 3 games each....but mobley seems to have the higher floor imo.

OTOH.....Cade seems to have the higher IQ. Perhaps the higher ceiling. Someone mentioned paul pierce and that made sense to me while watching him.

Mobley's grace and smoothness is impressive. Might be a good move for whoever that gets him to pick up his brother in the second round.

[WuTang_CMB]

Raps need cunningham

[LoveMyRaps]

We need to lose the next stretch

release the Baynes....let staneley johnson do his thing!

losing is key at this point

Yup. Hoping to lock down a top 5 pick at worst.
This is the draft to turn to turn your franchise around.

Another added benefit of tanking is if we get a top draft pick in this super strong draft then we can potentially package it with someone like Pascal or FVV in the summer, if a disgruntled star were to become available (e.g. Beal).

That poses an interesting question though...

Would you do a FVV/Siakam + top 3 pick for Bradley Beal trade on draft night if the Wizards were on board with it?

Personally if its the first overall pick I wouldn't. I think Cade is a generational talent. But 2nd pick and onwards, I'd accept.

[Indeed]

Prefer to trade Flynn. Once we drafted Mitchell, he will get no playing time anyway.
I will slot Jalen Johnson at SF and shift OG to SG, but I have Barnes and Bouknight over Jalen Johnson.

VanVleet and Mitchell would be a great duel at PG, even Mitchell comes off the bench, that is a great help for our bench scoring.

I’d prefer to trade Flynn too but you really think Flynn + 2 SRPs will get you Mitchell?

I hope you’re right. That’d be a no brainer

I think if we could move the 2nd round picks to another team to acquire a late 1st then a Flynn + late 1st might do it. Might need to throw in a future 2nd to get it done but if Masai wants Mitchell it’s worth it

Meanwhile, there are a few young interesting prospects in the 2nd round:
Mathurin, BJ Boston, Nix, Giddey. Some of them may go up, but I suppose there will be a few interesting ones remain.

[Indeed]

Raps need cunningham

Kai Jones look like the next Tunner, I think it is not end of the world for not getting a top 5.

[SFour]

We need to lose the next stretch

release the Baynes....let staneley johnson do his thing!

losing is key at this point

Yup. Hoping to lock down a top 5 pick at worst.
This is the draft to turn to turn your franchise around.

Another added benefit of tanking is if we get a top draft pick in this super strong draft then we can potentially package it with someone like Pascal or FVV in the summer, if a disgruntled star were to become available (e.g. Beal).

That poses an interesting question though...

Would you do a FVV/Siakam + top 3 pick for Bradley Beal trade on draft night if the Wizards were on board with it?

Personally if its the first overall pick I wouldn't. I think Cade is a generational talent. But 2nd pick and onwards, I'd accept.

nah Beal isn't a superstar like Kawhi or Harden.....I'm only giving that much up for a real MVP caliber superstar

[LoveMyRaps]

We need to lose the next stretch

release the Baynes....let staneley johnson do his thing!

losing is key at this point

Yup. Hoping to lock down a top 5 pick at worst.
This is the draft to turn to turn your franchise around.

Another added benefit of tanking is if we get a top draft pick in this super strong draft then we can potentially package it with someone like Pascal or FVV in the summer, if a disgruntled star were to become available (e.g. Beal).

That poses an interesting question though...

Would you do a FVV/Siakam + top 3 pick for Bradley Beal trade on draft night if the Wizards were on board with it?

Personally if its the first overall pick I wouldn't. I think Cade is a generational talent. But 2nd pick and onwards, I'd accept.

nah Beal isn't a superstar like Kawhi or Harden.....I'm only giving that much up for a real MVP caliber superstar

He's not a superstar. But IMO a borderline superstar and one of the most offensively gifted players in the league. He's a durable 30ppg star and would fit the timeline of this team better, age-wise.

I guess this would be like a Wiggins for Love type trade.

[Bruin]

Yup. Hoping to lock down a top 5 pick at worst.
This is the draft to turn to turn your franchise around.

Another added benefit of tanking is if we get a top draft pick in this super strong draft then we can potentially package it with someone like Pascal or FVV in the summer, if a disgruntled star were to become available (e.g. Beal).

That poses an interesting question though...

Would you do a FVV/Siakam + top 3 pick for Bradley Beal trade on draft night if the Wizards were on board with it?

Personally if its the first overall pick I wouldn't. I think Cade is a generational talent. But 2nd pick and onwards, I'd accept.

nah Beal isn't a superstar like Kawhi or Harden.....I'm only giving that much up for a real MVP caliber superstar

He's not a superstar. But IMO a borderline superstar and one of the most offensively gifted players in the league. He's a durable 30ppg star and would fit the timeline of this team better, age-wise.

I guess this would be like a Wiggins for Love type trade.

Beal isn’t worth a top 5 pick + Siakam. That’s massive value. I’d rather just trade Siakam for a younger piece if the goal is to move him

[WuTang_CMB]

Mobley is so fluid for a big man. Gives me Bosh vibes

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Mobley is so fluid for a big man. Gives me Bosh vibes

He has different gears. When driving or in the post, seems methodical like Duncan (with less of a finishing move assortment) but when he's going to dunk he's got such fast-twitch hops! Looks weird but effective.

I guess the numbers back up the observation with 3 blocks per game and only 1.8 fouls in 34 mpg.

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If Haliburton can drop to #12, I think Scottie Barnes goes no sooner than #15. I really think he should be late 1st round at best if not early 2nd with his deficiencies. They are more than Draymond coming out of college.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Mobley is so fluid for a big man. Gives me Bosh vibes

He has different gears. When driving or in the post, seems methodical like Duncan (with less of a finishing move assortment) but when he's going to dunk he's got such fast-twitch hops! Looks weird but effective.

I guess the numbers back up the observation with 3 blocks per game and only 1.8 fouls in 34 mpg.

that dunk yesterday, I really thought he was going to get blocked but dude took it to the next gear he got close to the basket. that twitch hops are for real.

[WuTang_CMB]

Mobley is so fluid for a big man. Gives me Bosh vibes

He has different gears. When driving or in the post, seems methodical like Duncan (with less of a finishing move assortment) but when he's going to dunk he's got such fast-twitch hops! Looks weird but effective.

I guess the numbers back up the observation with 3 blocks per game and only 1.8 fouls in 34 mpg.

that dunk yesterday, I really thought he was going to get blocked but dude took it to the next gear he got close to the basket. that twitch hops are for real.

Watch on YouTube

[PhilBlackson]

We need to lose the next stretch

release the Baynes....let staneley johnson do his thing!

losing is key at this point

Yup. Hoping to lock down a top 5 pick at worst.
This is the draft to turn to turn your franchise around.

Another added benefit of tanking is if we get a top draft pick in this super strong draft then we can potentially package it with someone like Pascal or FVV in the summer, if a disgruntled star were to become available (e.g. Beal).

That poses an interesting question though...

Would you do a FVV/Siakam + top 3 pick for Bradley Beal trade on draft night if the Wizards were on board with it?

Personally if its the first overall pick I wouldn't. I think Cade is a generational talent. But 2nd pick and onwards, I'd accept.

HELL NO!!

I would just draft JALEN GREEN who will end up being an even better version because of his FREAKISH athleticism.

I won't lie the only thing that sucks is I can see the Raps falling in love with any of the other top 5 names for having some of the similar kind of personality traits of the rest of the roster but Jalen to me is the one player I feel totally confident will be a big star in the league.

He's going to be the kind of player/talent that TV networks want to have on their channels because of what an absolutely incredible athlete he is. His how look and game just screams commercial appeal.

If we somehow fluked into the 2nd overall I'd be VERY torn between him or Kuminga in particular because I feel like both will be star wings with Green being the bigger offensive machine but Kuminga giving more defensive versatility and rebounding while still being a very good scorer. But every time I think about the Playoffs it makes me lean towards Green because when that time rolls around every team just needs that guy who can get you a bucket more than anything.

Mobley to me feels like the perfect complimentary player to guy like Jalen. The practical part of me says outside of Cade that Mobley would have the most impact on our team's REGULAR season success because of the obvious natural fit at our most obvious glaring need, he'll help us to not blow all these games on extra possessions and breakdowns on the defense BUT...the post season is when it changes, then we'd be solid and hang with just about anyone not named BKN but find ourselves looking for a professional bucket getter and there would be no one...

Overall I would be ecstatic if got any of the 4 and still incredibly happy if our consolation prize was one of Suggs or Johnson but damn do we ever gotta pray to get in that top 4...its a complete franchise changer. Especially one like ours that has pretty much everything else in place.

[Dalek]

Franz Wagner is so skilled and long. Just no weaknesses that I can see. Really outplayed Barnes on both sides. I think he is high lottery, definitely top ten.

He's like Battier. Won't be a superstar but should be an elite glue guy.

Barnes I guess can run a bench unit but he just plays so small out there. It's like he only uses his height to pass over people.

I do see Wagner as being a high-end glue guy type just like you do. I see a lot of Detlef Schrempf in him. The wirey frame, heady play and scoring instincts. Also Schrempf is German like Wagner.

Wagner is still pretty young. There is some chance he could be the next Gordon Hayward if he can add to his frame and stays healthy. That's not a bad outcome at 10ish range.

I don't really see anything special with Barnes to put him higher than Wagner. Can't shoot, and I don't think he is a better defender than Wagner. Barnes and the supposed gifted playmaking doesn't add up to me. He has a really high dribble which will get eaten alive in the NBA.

My top 15 looks like currently:

1. Mobley - Once in a generation unicorn
2. Cade - Elite leader and jumbo creator
3. Green - Special athlete with creativity off the bouncer
4. Suggs - Elite leader with great burst; has to play a smaller role on a stacked Gonzaga team
5. Kuminga - Siakam type of two-way threat
6. Bouknight - Devin Booker type scorer
7. Jalen Johnson - prototypical NBA wing or small ball four
8. Kai Jones - elite athlete and fluidity for his size; Myles Turner project
9. Wagner - A well-rounded long player that fit the modern NBA
10. Moody - Strong two-way player, very safe pick that should be NBA ready

11. Zaire Williams - 6'8" SG with his skills are hard to pass up - he is a project.
12. Josh Giddey - very young jumbo creator who has far exceeded even Lamelo Ball's numbers in Australia
13. Keon Johnson - elite athlete like Myles Bridges
14. Springer - Could end up one of the best PGs in the class
15. Kispert - Elite shooter