Pharaoh wrote:I repeatedly stated my case on Smith and Dedmon while people hated every single move.
At some point I just chose to focus on the areas where my opinion differed.
Funny how all these months later the Weaver haters are few and far betweenInvictus88 wrote:Pharaoh wrote:Note how you've completely ignored the Raptors & Hornets 2nds in your analysis
Considering you're posts are always intelligent and knowledgeable it seems to be deliberate
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I'm in no way defending edmunder here as honestly I haven't taken the time to read much of this discussion and frankly I just don't care. However, calling out another person for purposely feigning ignorance and/or opportunistically leaving out facets of a conversation really is a pot calling a kettle black here.
It was uncanny just how often the 'bad' parts of the transactions Weaver made earlier this year were magically left out of your comments extolling his virtues in earlier threads. I've warmed up to him quite a bit since but it doesn't erase the fact that those events did happen. It was you who time and time again would be purposely oblivious to things like the waiving and stretching and sending out of draft picks during these discussions.
So I see great irony that you of all people is calling someone else out for doing the exact same thing.
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Revisionist history. I'm talking about the timeframe immediately following those transactions going forward. Was the window of time in which you acknowledged them mere seconds?
Who are the people who hated every single move? Most were really happy with how the draft went; or at least the first day of it. It wasn't until all of the trading and acquiring centers / waiving and stretching that people really started to question him.
Why is it funny that Weaver's haters are few and far between? At the time of all of those moves the totality of everything didn't even point completely to a rebuild when you looked at the transactions and quotes directly from him at the time. Things have obviously changed since towards a full tank as the veterans have all been cleared away but none of that had happened when most of these discussions took place. Nobody could have predicted Blake would be gone by this all-star break. Rose hadn't been traded the previous offseason when everyone agreed his value had been higher, etc.
I still don't like some of the things Weaver did but in totality he's done a good job. At this moment it looks like the ship is headed in a really good direction; and it's largely because of him. But if thiings did start to turn sour and we end up in a bad situation then I'd blame him for that too. Because he would deserve it. And I'd factor in everything along the way; instead of opportunistically omitting things to fit an agenda.