2021 49ers offseason

michaelwarner · Post #381 » by **michaelwarner** » Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:24 pm

In the Press Conference today they said that Fields’ agent is setting up a 2nd Pro Day so they will see him in person then. They also said they didn’t go to Lance’s because they were still at 12 and didn’t want to tip their hand they might be interested.

tres · Post #382 » by **tres** » Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:45 pm

Read on Twitter

Best news I’ve heard all day, hands down.

CrimsonCrew · Post #383 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:29 pm

Daniel Jeremiah reporting that most people in the NFL think the move up is for Mac Jones. Though they're all just speculating, too.

I honestly have no idea. Of the three guys likely to be there, all three make some sense in certain ways and don't in others. All three would leave me with serious reservations. And if it's Jones and he pans out, I'm fine with it of course. But I'll always believe we could have gotten him at 8 or 10, if not 12 (or in the 20s?), and I won't be very forgiving if he doesn't develop into a top-10 player at the position and Fields or Lance does.

YoungMoney23 · Post #384 » by **YoungMoney23** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:35 am

I don't get the Mac Jones hype, the dude had two of the best receivers in college football. Lots of QB's would look great with that. Both projected to be early to mid first round draft picks too. Not to mention a first round running back. I can't imagine you give up so much to move up in the draft to where we did either when there was already a good chance he would be available anyway.

thesack12 · Post #385 » by **thesack12** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:44 am

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31160240/niners-want-get-left-altar-staying-no-12-believe-jimmy-garoppolo-gives-best-chance-now

Pretty good read for anyone interested. Kyle and John open on the motivation behind the trade and the plan to keep Jimmy for 2021.

thesack12 · Post #386 » by **thesack12** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:52 am

If Mac Jones is the guy, I can't help but wonder what they might be able to get by moving back down the board while still being able to get him.

At the very least, Atlanta @ #4 is probably in the QB market. They might look to move up if they have someone head and shoulders above the rest as their 3rd rated guy. Carolina is also likely to be aggressive trying to move up for a QB.

They won't want to move back too far or else they would risk being left holding the bag. But moving back to #4 with Atlanta, would be pretty safe. Moving back to #8 with Carolina would be fairly risky though. Cincinatti obviously isn't taking a Qube at 5, Miami probably isn't at 6 either, Detroit might at 7 though. Plus there is always the chance any or all of those teams trade out of their slot in favor of another team moving up for a QB.

Samurai · Post #387 » by **Samurai** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:16 am

thesack12 wrote:If Mac Jones is the guy, I can't help but wonder what they might be able to get by moving back down the board while still being able to get him.

At the very least, Atlanta @ #4 is probably in the QB market. They might look to move up if they have someone head and shoulders above the rest as their 3rd rated guy. Carolina is also likely to be aggressive trying to move up for a QB.

They won't want to move back too far or else they would risk being left holding the bag. But moving back to #4 with Atlanta, would be pretty safe. Moving back to #8 with Carolina would be fairly risky though. Cincinatti obviously isn't taking a Qube at 5, Miami probably isn't at 6 either, Detroit might at 7 though. Plus there is always the chance any or all of those teams trade out of their slot in favor of another team moving up for a QB.

I don't see them moving back. They had been working on moving into the top 5 for several weeks. They don't want to get jumped and have their guy snatched by someone ahead of them; you don't trade away all those first round picks only to end up not getting the guy you want. Which is why I think the talk about Jones is a smokescreen. Plus in today's presser, Shanahan threw some cold water on the "I want a Kirk Cousins type of QB" when he said that "if you're going to draw it up, you're going to draw up the biggest, fastest, strongest quarterback." That description sounds a lot more like Fields than it does Jones.

Jikkle · Post #388 » by **Jikkle** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:40 am

When it comes to QB you don't want to get overly cute where you take him you just want to make sure you get your man.

If they take Mac Jones at #3 and he ends up being a top 5 QB and an MVP nobody is going to look back and say "It's great that he was an MVP but we could've gotten him at #6."

It's not a question of where they take a guy it's all a question if they should at all.

I tend to think the Mac Jones talk is a smokescreen. They don't need to hide the fact they are going to take a QB anymore but they still need to hide the fact which one they are going to take since they don't have the #2 overall pick.

So you want to make teams that are drafting after you believe you're likely to take a guy they don't want so they don't feel the need to jump over you to get the guy before you do.

I believe they are most worried about the Falcons because of the rumblings they could be looking QB at #4 so I think that's why they were motivated to get ahead of them in the first place and why they want to keep who they want in the dark because the Jets would love to move to #4 if they aren't taking a QB knowing they would get exactly who they were going to take at #2 at #4 and pick up picks along the way.

That's why I actually wouldn't be surprised if they don't trade again with the Jets to secure that #2 spot if the Jets aren't going QB.

I_am_1z · Post #389 » by **I_am_1z** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:45 pm

Fields. Lock it in

wco81 · Post #390 » by **wco81** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:38 pm

I_am_1z wrote:Fields. Lock it in

So Kaepernick 2.0?

I_am_1z · Post #391 » by **I_am_1z** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:52 pm

wco81 wrote:
I_am_1z wrote:Fields. Lock it in

So Kaepernick 2.0?

Were you going for worst take of all time? Or just being sarcastic?

wco81 · Post #392 » by **wco81** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:05 pm

We will see if Fields has more to offer than being able to make big runs.

Same question still hangs over Lamar Jackson too.

49er4life1979 · Post #393 » by **49er4life1979** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:05 pm

Ray_Dogg wrote:A scout that was at the BYU pro day texted Dane Brugler and told him the Jets are taking Wilson. So...
Lance or Fields for us. All my excitement for the trade went right out the window as soon as talking heads mentioned Mac Jones though. I have a very big concern growing inside me. This is gonna be a brutal outcome. I just know it.

I agree with you. Mac Jones to me is a slightly better version of Jared Goff. We can do better. So if they stay at pick 3, get Lance. I don't trust Ohio State QBs either. But could they probably get Lance trading back? Maybe swap picks with Atlanta at 4?

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #394 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:14 pm

wco81 wrote:We will see if Fields has more to offer than being able to make big runs.

Same question still hangs over Lamar Jackson too.

I don’t get this comparison. Despite have great mobility, Fields is more of a pocket passer than he is a scrambler. His deep ball accuracy is far more superior to Jackson’s or Kaeppernick’s.

Post #395 » by **Cactus Jack** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:45 pm

Figured I should post this here.

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CrimsonCrew · Post #396 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:46 pm

To be fair, both balls better than all but one or two deep balls Jimmy has thrown in his career. But you've got to hit those at the pro day.

tres · Post #397 » by **tres** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:19 pm

wco81 wrote:
I_am_1z wrote:Fields. Lock it in

So Kaepernick 2.0?

He said Justin Fields, not Trey Lance.. Lance is Kaepernick 2.0

Post #398 » by **Cactus Jack** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:06 pm

tres wrote:
wco81 wrote:
I_am_1z wrote:Fields. Lock it in

So Kaepernick 2.0?

He said Justin Fields, not Trey Lance.. Lance is Kaepernick 2.0

Kellen Mond is the QB from this class that actually gives me Kaep vibes. From his body type to his throwing motion. It's basically Kaep.

Lance has a bigger frame.

Samurai · Post #399 » by **Samurai** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:09 pm

tres wrote:
wco81 wrote:
I_am_1z wrote:Fields. Lock it in

So Kaepernick 2.0?

He said Justin Fields, not Trey Lance.. Lance is Kaepernick 2.0

From a physical standpoint, Kap is 6-4, 229 pounds. Lance is 6-4, 227 pounds and Fields is 6-3, 227. But Kap ran a 4.53 40, right around the same as Lance (he didn't run a 40 at his pro day but a performance coach who works with Lance said he is in the mid-4.5 range). Fields ran a much faster 4.44 at his pro day. Several scouts have said that Kap is the closest comp for Lance.

wco81 · Post #400 » by **wco81** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:30 pm

If anything, Kaep was the big playmaker in college. He wasn't surrounded by elite WR and OL recruits.

That is why OSU and Alabama QBs fail in the NFL, where they don't have the big talent advantage over opponents that they're used to in college.

I was just listening to the Minus Three podcasts and Geoff Schwarz said no way Shanahan traded 3 first-round picks for Mac Jones, who overthrew his elite WRs, one of whom was a Heisman winner for bringing in some of those bad passes.