Tank World Order (2.0)

[GreatWhiteStiff]

2.5 games from a playoff spot. The Raps are much closer to making the 8th seed than a top 5 draft pick.

Let's get it! Getting beat in the playoffs is so fun.

I've heard enough about this DelAbbot, oh sorry, basketball Jones.

[Dr Positivity]

I was like 10 games behind and was planning on catching up on them all, then I just said screw it and went to basketball reference to check our current record.

I made a good decision.

Edit - The Hornets and Knicks are 4th and 5th right now? The hell?

[Steelo Green]

When people say “Masai stuck to his guns” when in the end Kyle will be gone for nothing, what exactly did Masai gain?

The fact that he won’t be strong armed? Because in the end we got nothing, not even a second rounder for Kyle, and that bargaining power Masai seemingly gained will be for a future trade that may or may not happen.

Reality is - the lack of a deal for Kyle was a miss from Masai. Even a second rounder is worth more than nothing. Helping someone else win or whatever is irrelevant. Another team not named Toronto will win this year, so get whatever you can versus nothing.

[Pooh_Jeter]

When people say “Masai stuck to his guns” when in the end Kyle will be gone for nothing, what exactly did Masai gain?

The fact that he won’t be strong armed? Because in the end we got nothing, not even a second rounder for Kyle, and that bargaining power Masai seemingly gained will be for a future trade that may or may not happen.

Reality is - the lack of a deal for Kyle was a miss from Masai. Even a second rounder is worth more than nothing. Helping someone else win or whatever is irrelevant. Another team not named Toronto will win this year, so get whatever you can versus nothing.

It's a total fallacy. You have people who believe that GM's are scared to deal with Masai because he will take them to the cleaners when this deadline proved he is much more in the Ainge category where he overvalues assets to his own detriment.

Getting a poor or amazing return on Lowry isn't going to suddenly inform every deal he makes from here on out.

There have been 3 times in Lowry's Raptors career where he was actively on the outs with the organization so this faux loyalty now was ridiculous. It really only benefits Lowry because it ensures he has an option to still get paid big money.

This loyalty isn't going to benefit the team in any way and as of now it looks like it will actively hurt it.

[DelAbbot]

Huh? I dont have a burner account.

2.5 games from a playoff spot. The Raps are much closer to making the 8th seed than a top 5 draft pick.

Let's get it! Getting beat in the playoffs is so fun.

I've heard enough about this DelAbbot, oh sorry, basketball Jones.

[720]

Just when the Wizards start playing the easy part of their schedule Beal is out with a hip injury.

[Fairview4Life]

Just when the Wizards start playing the easy part of their schedule Beal is out with a hip injury. :nonono:

This is usually when Westbrook strings together a few good games.

[SkywalkerAC]

When people say “Masai stuck to his guns” when in the end Kyle will be gone for nothing, what exactly did Masai gain?

The fact that he won’t be strong armed? Because in the end we got nothing, not even a second rounder for Kyle, and that bargaining power Masai seemingly gained will be for a future trade that may or may not happen.

Reality is - the lack of a deal for Kyle was a miss from Masai. Even a second rounder is worth more than nothing. Helping someone else win or whatever is irrelevant. Another team not named Toronto will win this year, so get whatever you can versus nothing.

Uh...we got cap space and option to sign and trade?

[rocky_da_best]

When people say “Masai stuck to his guns” when in the end Kyle will be gone for nothing, what exactly did Masai gain?

The fact that he won’t be strong armed? Because in the end we got nothing, not even a second rounder for Kyle, and that bargaining power Masai seemingly gained will be for a future trade that may or may not happen.

Reality is - the lack of a deal for Kyle was a miss from Masai. Even a second rounder is worth more than nothing. Helping someone else win or whatever is irrelevant. Another team not named Toronto will win this year, so get whatever you can versus nothing.

Uh...we got cap space and option to sign and trade?

Guess steelo prefers we take on contracts and a second rounder for Lowry. The optics of that would have been amazing lol. This board nearly imploded that we got back a good young player that's controllable and a solid vet for Powell. Can only imagine how happy go lucky people would have been with a second rounder for Lowry

[Pooh_Jeter]

When people say “Masai stuck to his guns” when in the end Kyle will be gone for nothing, what exactly did Masai gain?

The fact that he won’t be strong armed? Because in the end we got nothing, not even a second rounder for Kyle, and that bargaining power Masai seemingly gained will be for a future trade that may or may not happen.

Reality is - the lack of a deal for Kyle was a miss from Masai. Even a second rounder is worth more than nothing. Helping someone else win or whatever is irrelevant. Another team not named Toronto will win this year, so get whatever you can versus nothing.

Uh...we got cap space and option to sign and trade?

Guess steelo prefers we take on contracts and a second rounder for Lowry. The optics of that would have been amazing lol. This board nearly imploded that we got back a good young player that's controllable and a solid vet for Powell. Can only imagine how happy go lucky people would have been with a second rounder for Lowry

Its been reported that Maxey a first and whatever resulted from Green being flipped to a 3rd team was on the table.

It was a miscalculation by Masai and co.

[Steelo Green]

When people say “Masai stuck to his guns” when in the end Kyle will be gone for nothing, what exactly did Masai gain?

The fact that he won’t be strong armed? Because in the end we got nothing, not even a second rounder for Kyle, and that bargaining power Masai seemingly gained will be for a future trade that may or may not happen.

Reality is - the lack of a deal for Kyle was a miss from Masai. Even a second rounder is worth more than nothing. Helping someone else win or whatever is irrelevant. Another team not named Toronto will win this year, so get whatever you can versus nothing.

Uh...we got cap space and option to sign and trade?

Kyle will be signed outright by another team.

[Steelo Green]

When people say “Masai stuck to his guns” when in the end Kyle will be gone for nothing, what exactly did Masai gain?

The fact that he won’t be strong armed? Because in the end we got nothing, not even a second rounder for Kyle, and that bargaining power Masai seemingly gained will be for a future trade that may or may not happen.

Reality is - the lack of a deal for Kyle was a miss from Masai. Even a second rounder is worth more than nothing. Helping someone else win or whatever is irrelevant. Another team not named Toronto will win this year, so get whatever you can versus nothing.

Uh...we got cap space and option to sign and trade?

Guess steelo prefers we take on contracts and a second rounder for Lowry. The optics of that would have been amazing lol. This board nearly imploded that we got back a good young player that's controllable and a solid vet for Powell. Can only imagine how happy go lucky people would have been with a second rounder for Lowry

Versus nothing?

GTJ is a mediocre young player who will be paid a little less than Powell. Hood is a nothing player.

[rocky_da_best]

Uh...we got cap space and option to sign and trade?

Guess steelo prefers we take on contracts and a second rounder for Lowry. The optics of that would have been amazing lol. This board nearly imploded that we got back a good young player that's controllable and a solid vet for Powell. Can only imagine how happy go lucky people would have been with a second rounder for Lowry

Its been reported that Maxey a first and whatever resulted from Green being flipped to a 3rd team was on the table.

It was a miscalculation by Masai and co.

I find that hard to believe. If that was the case, Lowry wouldn't be a Raptor right now.

[rocky_da_best]

Uh...we got cap space and option to sign and trade?

Guess steelo prefers we take on contracts and a second rounder for Lowry. The optics of that would have been amazing lol. This board nearly imploded that we got back a good young player that's controllable and a solid vet for Powell. Can only imagine how happy go lucky people would have been with a second rounder for Lowry

Versus nothing?

GTJ is a mediocre young player who will be paid a little less than Powell. Hood is a nothing player.

It's not nothing. It's not being forced into a situation to take on players with term left that you don't want and leaving your flexibility open for this summer, without even opening the can of worms about the optics of trading Lowry for scraps instead of just letting him walk and being looked like a fool in a trade that you already alluded to earlier.

[SkywalkerAC]

When people say “Masai stuck to his guns” when in the end Kyle will be gone for nothing, what exactly did Masai gain?

The fact that he won’t be strong armed? Because in the end we got nothing, not even a second rounder for Kyle, and that bargaining power Masai seemingly gained will be for a future trade that may or may not happen.

Reality is - the lack of a deal for Kyle was a miss from Masai. Even a second rounder is worth more than nothing. Helping someone else win or whatever is irrelevant. Another team not named Toronto will win this year, so get whatever you can versus nothing.

Uh...we got cap space and option to sign and trade?

Kyle will be signed outright by another team.

So cap space then.

[Steelo Green]

Uh...we got cap space and option to sign and trade?

Kyle will be signed outright by another team.

So cap space then.

Actually no, we don’t have any cap space once we sign Trent we will be over the cap with this mediocre core.

Trading Kyle was the only way we could get some positive.

[Fairview4Life]

Kyle will be signed outright by another team.

So cap space then.

Actually no, we don’t have any cap space once we sign Trent we will be over the cap with this mediocre core.

Trading Kyle was the only way we could get some positive.

Once we sign Trent. So then before we sign him we will have...capspace? If Fruitman can figure out a Hedo trade, I'm sure Bobby Webster can play around with the cap.

[Psubs]

Kyle has had a foot infection for most of the season!?!??!?! Getting shut down for 1-2 weeks...

Hello Cade!

[KL78192020]

Perhaps now we can lock this dumb **** once and for all. Was ridiculous from the beginning. Particularly given that it was fired up three games into season by a resident troll.

lock it up! Time to win is now against OKC.

[KL78192020]

It was hilarious when the tank crew was telling us that Boston, Indiana, Miami etc. had way better young cores and upside than us.

Fred - all-star caliber (26 years old)
Pascal - all star caliber (26 years old)
lowry - all star caliber
OG - Elite 3 + D player (23 years old)
Norm - borderline all-star (27 years old)
Boucher - 6th man of the year candidate (28 years old)

Remember, that our Derozan/Lowry core only hit their peak when Lowry was around 29. Derozan right now hit his peak at 31 years and is an elite facilitator. Fred, Pascal, OG, Norm etc. improve every single season.

We have limitations and lack a dependable big, but after that 2-8 we have the best record in the East.

And for me, the most impressive thing is that we can win without Lowry. For years our team was dependent on Lowry, but Fred is starting to prove he is good enough to replace him with close to the same level of production.

Do I think we will a chip this year? No, I don't.

Do I think we have a great opportunity to contend in the future? Yes, I do. We have a great young core/assets, all our draft picks in tact, and major cap flexibility this off-season with Lowry, Baynes, Stanley, Norm and McCaw's contracts off the book.

Most definitely better than Indy/Boston/Miami. We're so good we wont even have to face them in the playoffs.