Dez wrote:Pentele wrote:WindyCityBorn wrote:
I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. It’s a fact he is a massive disappoint. Hell him being a bust basically forced our hand to trade 2 first round picks for Vuc to fill void. Vuc is what we were hoping to get from Lauri this season.
I hope he is gone, but his value is so low now that they may still end up wasting money that could used on good players because he can be resigned for cheap.
Oh you kids and your fancy to truth relativism! In other words, has it occurred to you that 'being disappointed with something' is a relative mode. One's disappointment, or even a widely shared disappointment, is not disappointment of all,
a fortiori to the same extent, and certainly not an objective fact unless one adopts a highly contested epistemological position. You could of course be saying that everyone
should be disappointed with Lauri, but you are not here to offer arguments to anyone, are you? So what exactly are you doing, performing to other posters? Basking in the shared bashing of a current whipping-boy?
Please note, that I am simply responding in kind to your original question "Why people are still shilling for Lauri?" By your own words, it now appears that your question was merely rhetorical: you do not seem to even be interested in answers, you just want to state your "facts".
I don't really think you get the point of basketball forums, discussing players like Lauri is part of the point of the whole place.
Not everyone is going to love him and people quite rightly are disappointed that he hasn't improved his game in the four years that he's been in the league.
You seem to be mistaking this for hating Lauri the person which isn't what is happening.
No, I think you got me wrong.
First, there is a difference between discussing a player and not accepting others' conflicting views. WindyCityBorn has shown that he is willing to cross from having a difference of opinion to offering snide or outright dismissive remarks concerning the posters who disagree with him. He is not certainly alone.
Second, I have no problem with people being disappointed with Lauri. Truth to be told, I am a bit of disappointed myself, and I certainly understand the sentiment. In fact, I have no problem whatsoever with someone even "hating" Lauri. I do not know him personally, and he is getting paid big bucks for what he does, and if that means being exposed to random internet comments, so what. If you would check back, I do not respond at all to posters who have nothing more than bashing and insults to offer; I do not care if "someone's hating".
I do not stand attacks to posters reasonableness when they express nothing more than a difference of opinion about a basketball player. I do not turn my cheek to that, not now, not ever. As another matter, the substantive point in all this was to actually answer what turned out to be simply a rhetorical question posed by WindyCityBorn: people may not be disappointed to the same extent, they may appreciate different things (they may not even care of winning that much but enjoy offensively focused game), and that includes weighing different factors in a player's skill set. [edit: not to mention that there are posters like chefo, who appears to know more about basketball than the majority of active posters on this forum, and certainly much more than myself, and who still considers Markkanen a good player with more upside still.] Marvelling how anyone can speak for any basketball player is either blind to how humans are wired or simply disgenuine. And thus we come to my response in kind: what is he actually doing by asking such a thing? So I am perfectly well aware of the nature of this kind of forum, thank you very much. I wonder if some others are as well.
