ACMFFL wrote:Guys, would do you take a flyer on Smart if his value goes down and he becomes available?
He would probably be better than JRich, but I wouldn't want to give up a lot to get him. Still not the best fit with his weak shooting.
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ACMFFL wrote:Guys, would do you take a flyer on Smart if his value goes down and he becomes available?
arkuo wrote:If I had to guess, DFS + WCS for a signed and extended Mitchell Robinson should be of fair value.
dirkforpres wrote:arkuo wrote:If I had to guess, DFS + WCS for a signed and extended Mitchell Robinson should be of fair value.
Not even close, unfortunately. Robinson would be a really fun player to have, but I’m assuming his price tag is close to what Collins and Gordon are worth.
arkuo wrote:dirkforpres wrote:arkuo wrote:If I had to guess, DFS + WCS for a signed and extended Mitchell Robinson should be of fair value.
Not even close, unfortunately. Robinson would be a really fun player to have, but I’m assuming his price tag is close to what Collins and Gordon are worth.
I think those guys you mentioned are above Mitchell in terms of value. Both are generally healthy and Mitchell has a fractured foot. Collins averages 20 and 10. Mitchell does 8 pts per game. For a player who goes into UFA the following year and only does 8 PPG, NYK might want to trade him for something now than have someone offer Mitchell a contract they dont want to match and have him walk for nothing. 8 PPG is comparable to what DFS and WCS does on the court. I think it's fair value especially if New York wants to develop Obi Toppin more alongside Randle.
true ... but rarely, is he healthydirkforpres wrote:arkuo wrote:dirkforpres wrote:
Not even close, unfortunately. Robinson would be a really fun player to have, but I’m assuming his price tag is close to what Collins and Gordon are worth.
I think those guys you mentioned are above Mitchell in terms of value. Both are generally healthy and Mitchell has a fractured foot. Collins averages 20 and 10. Mitchell does 8 pts per game. For a player who goes into UFA the following year and only does 8 PPG, NYK might want to trade him for something now than have someone offer Mitchell a contract they dont want to match and have him walk for nothing. 8 PPG is comparable to what DFS and WCS does on the court. I think it's fair value especially if New York wants to develop Obi Toppin more alongside Randle.
I hope you’re right, but I can’t imagine a deal ever gets close without Brunson being included.
Robinson is one of the best defensive players in the league when healthy
blicka wrote:Can't wait to see doncic on an island vs jimmy butler,paul george or kahwi leonard and those weak ass moves that work in europe getting shut down
JD45 wrote:I didn't realize it before, but the Mavs can have cap space in the summer of 2022 if they don't use it this year.
They could free up $30 mil of space this year by renouncing THJ, letting WCS go and potentially stretch/waiving Powell. This assumes JRich does not opt out. They could use this for a Ball or Collins max offer. If it doesn't work, they could just carry the space over and try to get a free agent in 2022. They might even fill in with 1 year deals to WCS, Melli or other aging free agents. They will have a draft pick for 2022, so if it goes totally wheels off, they would get something for it. Although hopefully Green could step up and fill in. Letting THJ go for nothing would be a risk, but still might work out OK.
arkuo wrote:JD45 wrote:I didn't realize it before, but the Mavs can have cap space in the summer of 2022 if they don't use it this year.
They could free up $30 mil of space this year by renouncing THJ, letting WCS go and potentially stretch/waiving Powell. This assumes JRich does not opt out. They could use this for a Ball or Collins max offer. If it doesn't work, they could just carry the space over and try to get a free agent in 2022. They might even fill in with 1 year deals to WCS, Melli or other aging free agents. They will have a draft pick for 2022, so if it goes totally wheels off, they would get something for it. Although hopefully Green could step up and fill in. Letting THJ go for nothing would be a risk, but still might work out OK.
My guess is they'll try to bring back everyone on 1+1 deals (2nd year team option) and punt this summer and try again for a free agent in 2022. Maybe go for Beal.
ozwizard8 wrote:arkuo wrote:JD45 wrote:I didn't realize it before, but the Mavs can have cap space in the summer of 2022 if they don't use it this year.
They could free up $30 mil of space this year by renouncing THJ, letting WCS go and potentially stretch/waiving Powell. This assumes JRich does not opt out. They could use this for a Ball or Collins max offer. If it doesn't work, they could just carry the space over and try to get a free agent in 2022. They might even fill in with 1 year deals to WCS, Melli or other aging free agents. They will have a draft pick for 2022, so if it goes totally wheels off, they would get something for it. Although hopefully Green could step up and fill in. Letting THJ go for nothing would be a risk, but still might work out OK.
My guess is they'll try to bring back everyone on 1+1 deals (2nd year team option) and punt this summer and try again for a free agent in 2022. Maybe go for Beal.
If asking price is not too high, Mavs might look for a sign&trade options for a Beal trade.
Even for this offseason, Mavs can offload Powell contract perhaps for 2nd round pick or a rookie. In general, most of the teams would be able to open cap space if they know Beal is signing with them. Kinda like what Pat Riley does with Miami. Even if he takes some bad contracts, he finds ways to offload it when a FA becomes available.
Signing some right value contracts keeps your flexibility. Seth-Maxi-DFS-Burke contracts were on point. You can always trade them if you need to open cap space. Hope Mavs FO can still find those type of contracts.
Nerlens Noel overpaid the offer and D.Powell's overpayment was not great. You can always find Mcgee or similar contracts for less than MLE. They would give you D.Powell's production easily. I'd like to keep WCS, Brunson, THJ but not with a price tag that makes them negative assets.
Brunson for 70m/4 year would not be a good deal meanwhile 34m/4year would be a tradable contract
jpengland wrote:Off season will be bringing everybody back and trying to add another rotation guy at pretty much any position with the full MLE.
jpengland wrote:Off season will be bringing everybody back and trying to add another rotation guy at pretty much any position with the full MLE.
blicka wrote:Can't wait to see doncic on an island vs jimmy butler,paul george or kahwi leonard and those weak ass moves that work in europe getting shut down