2021 49ers offseason

[CrimsonCrew]

Niners' 17th game will be against the Bengals. Nice benefit to adding a game this year. Let's hope they can capitalize.

[wco81]

Jalen Rose was saying he saw Mac Jones with his shirt off. Didn't look like a pro athlete to him.

Kyle would be laughingstock if he traded 3 FRPs for Mac Jones.

[CrimsonCrew]

Jalen Rose was saying he saw Mac Jones with his shirt off. Didn't look like a pro athlete to him.

Kyle would be laughingstock if he traded 3 FRPs for Mac Jones.

Did he look this impressive?

[CrimsonCrew]

I'm on my phone. Did that go through?

[Dodub]

I was so pumped when they moved up in the draft, but my excitement is completely crushed. Trading away all of our first rounders for Mac Freaking Jones is like a punch in the face.

[CrimsonCrew]

It's all speculation at this point. No sense getting worked up before anything is official.

[Dodub]

It's all speculation at this point. No sense getting worked up before anything is official.

I watched him throw a both pro days. I just don’t understand. Yes he’s fairly accurate on short and intermediate, but he was terrible on the long stuff. His passes didn’t have near the velocity that the other QB’s displayed at their pro days. Not to mention, he’s an average at best athlete. I just don’t get it.

[thesack12]

When it comes to QB you don't want to get overly cute where you take him you just want to make sure you get your man.

If they take Mac Jones at #3 and he ends up being a top 5 QB and an MVP nobody is going to look back and say "It's great that he was an MVP but we could've gotten him at #6."

It's not a question of where they take a guy it's all a question if they should at all.

I tend to think the Mac Jones talk is a smokescreen. They don't need to hide the fact they are going to take a QB anymore but they still need to hide the fact which one they are going to take since they don't have the #2 overall pick.

So you want to make teams that are drafting after you believe you're likely to take a guy they don't want so they don't feel the need to jump over you to get the guy before you do.

I believe they are most worried about the Falcons because of the rumblings they could be looking QB at #4 so I think that's why they were motivated to get ahead of them in the first place and why they want to keep who they want in the dark because the Jets would love to move to #4 if they aren't taking a QB knowing they would get exactly who they were going to take at #2 at #4 and pick up picks along the way.

That's why I actually wouldn't be surprised if they don't trade again with the Jets to secure that #2 spot if the Jets aren't going QB.

Of course they won't, but that also goes the other way as well. If the guy they draft falls flat on his face, they'll be tarred and feathered for making such a blunder of ruining a super bowl window and mortgaging the future in the process. If they take Jones, who is widely viewed as the #5 QB in the draft, and he fails while any of the other guys drafted after Jones thrive, they'll be burned at the stake. God help them if the new guy fails, a QB drafted after #3 balls out, and Jimmy G moves on and excels elsewhere.

Obviously the team has way better intel than any of us fans have, but I just don't see much of a point in putting forth the effort to send smokescreens at this point. To me the only way it makes any sense is if you are convinced that the Jets aren't going QB @ #2 and are going to trade out. Personally, I don't think there is any way the Jets don't take a Qube at 2. Darnold has absolutely sucked, and neither Robert Saleh the HC (coming from SF this year) nor Joe Douglas the GM (coming from Philly last year) have any ties to Sam. Its a completely new regime for the Jets and Darnold is a leftover they inherited that has shown little promise, if any. I just don't see how the Jets brass pass on a QB while sitting #2 with a handful of worthy picks at the position available to them. There is some validity to being worried about the Jets swapping picks with the Falcons and with both teams still eyeing QB's and Atlanta possibly taking the 9ers guy at #2. But even with that logic, its basically the same problem they would have with the Jets taking a QB at 2.

Either way, when sitting with #3, they sure as hell better have a plan for at least 3 of the QB's on the board.

[thesack12]

It's all speculation at this point. No sense getting worked up before anything is official.

I watched him throw a both pro days. I just don’t understand. Yes he’s fairly accurate on short and intermediate, but he was terrible on the long stuff. His passes didn’t have near the velocity that the other QB’s displayed at their pro days. Not to mention, he’s an average at best athlete. I just don’t get it.

Yeah, other than physical measurements/speed and agility drills/etc pro day happenings are only notable to me personally if a guy struggles.

If you don't look good in a tshirt and shorts with nobody lining up on the opposite side of the ball from you, your stock should take a hit. Especially when we are talking QB's being in consideration for #3 overall.

[Dodub]

It's all speculation at this point. No sense getting worked up before anything is official.

I watched him throw a both pro days. I just don’t understand. Yes he’s fairly accurate on short and intermediate, but he was terrible on the long stuff. His passes didn’t have near the velocity that the other QB’s displayed at their pro days. Not to mention, he’s an average at best athlete. I just don’t get it.

Yeah, other than physical measurements/speed and agility drills/etc pro day happenings are only notable to me personally if a guy struggles.

If you don't look good in a tshirt and shorts with nobody lining up on the opposite side of the ball from you, your stock should take a hit. Especially when we are talking QB's being in consideration for #3 overall.

That’s the thing though, he missed WAY TOO MANY passes at his pro day workouts. I would think that he’d go at least 95% with the way that people talk about his accuracy.

[CrimsonCrew]

It's all speculation at this point. No sense getting worked up before anything is official.

I watched him throw a both pro days. I just don’t understand. Yes he’s fairly accurate on short and intermediate, but he was terrible on the long stuff. His passes didn’t have near the velocity that the other QB’s displayed at their pro days. Not to mention, he’s an average at best athlete. I just don’t get it.

The Beathard experiment really makes me question Shanahan's eye for QBs, but hopefully he learned from it. I'm hopeful we don't take Jones. Though as I've said elsewhere, I haven't studied the tape on him. I just think if you're moving up to three, you take a guy with a high ceiling. I'm not sure that's Jones - though the best QB of all time has below average physical tools, so what do I know?

[CrimsonCrew]

When it comes to QB you don't want to get overly cute where you take him you just want to make sure you get your man.

If they take Mac Jones at #3 and he ends up being a top 5 QB and an MVP nobody is going to look back and say "It's great that he was an MVP but we could've gotten him at #6."

It's not a question of where they take a guy it's all a question if they should at all.

I tend to think the Mac Jones talk is a smokescreen. They don't need to hide the fact they are going to take a QB anymore but they still need to hide the fact which one they are going to take since they don't have the #2 overall pick.

So you want to make teams that are drafting after you believe you're likely to take a guy they don't want so they don't feel the need to jump over you to get the guy before you do.

I believe they are most worried about the Falcons because of the rumblings they could be looking QB at #4 so I think that's why they were motivated to get ahead of them in the first place and why they want to keep who they want in the dark because the Jets would love to move to #4 if they aren't taking a QB knowing they would get exactly who they were going to take at #2 at #4 and pick up picks along the way.

That's why I actually wouldn't be surprised if they don't trade again with the Jets to secure that #2 spot if the Jets aren't going QB.

Of course they won't, but that also goes the other way as well. If the guy they draft falls flat on his face, they'll be tarred and feathered for making such a blunder of ruining a super bowl window and mortgaging the future in the process. If they take Jones, who is widely viewed as the #5 QB in the draft, and he fails while any of the other guys drafted after Jones thrive, they'll be burned at the stake. God help them if the new guy fails, a QB drafted after #3 balls out, and Jimmy G moves on and excels elsewhere.

Obviously the team has way better intel than any of us fans have, but I just don't see much of a point in putting forth the effort to send smokescreens at this point. To me the only way it makes any sense is if you are convinced that the Jets aren't going QB @ #2 and are going to trade out. Personally, I don't think there is any way the Jets don't take a Qube at 2. Darnold has absolutely sucked, and neither Robert Saleh the HC (coming from SF this year) nor Joe Douglas the GM (coming from Philly last year) have any ties to Sam. Its a completely new regime for the Jets and Darnold is a leftover they inherited that has shown little promise, if any. I just don't see how the Jets brass pass on a QB while sitting #2 with a handful of worthy picks at the position available to them. There is some validity to being worried about the Jets swapping picks with the Falcons and with both teams still eyeing QB's and Atlanta possibly taking the 9ers guy at #2. But even with that logic, its basically the same problem they would have with the Jets taking a QB at 2.

Either way, when sitting with #3, they sure as hell better have a plan for at least 3 of the QB's on the board.

For some reason, the paragraph about Darnold gave me a crazy thought. What if all the talk about the Niners being interested in Darnold was just a long con? Make the Jets think they have something in Darnold so they're less likely to take a QB. I don't think that's true, but it would be awesome if it was.

Grant Cohn has been going a little crazy in the aftermath of the trade, and apparently thinks that the Jets don't want Wilson (and apparently don't even want a QB). On draft day, they'll trade with the Niners for the Niners' second-round pick, and the Niners will take Wilson. Awfully far-fetched IMO. Not least because, if the Jets were so inclined to trade, I'm sure they could get a top-10 pick - maybe even #4 - and pick up at least a first-round pick next year, and probably more.

[49er4life1979]

It's all speculation at this point. No sense getting worked up before anything is official.

I watched him throw a both pro days. I just don’t understand. Yes he’s fairly accurate on short and intermediate, but he was terrible on the long stuff. His passes didn’t have near the velocity that the other QB’s displayed at their pro days. Not to mention, he’s an average at best athlete. I just don’t get it.

The Beathard experiment really makes me question Shanahan's eye for QBs, but hopefully he learned from it. I'm hopeful we don't take Jones. Though as I've said elsewhere, I haven't studied the tape on him. I just think if you're moving up to three, you take a guy with a high ceiling. I'm not sure that's Jones - though the best QB of all time has below average physical tools, so what do I know?

I agree. You take the guy with the highest possible ceiling at that spot. I have nightmare scenarios in my head now with Mac Jones. He falls flat or turns out just ok, Jimmy G moves on and has a good career elsewhere, we have no first round picks until 2024. This pick is it for Shanahan and Lynch. Screw this one up and they're likely done. I am still hoping they can address the CB spot since most of the same guys who were free agents this year will be again next year. I didn't like it that they re-signed Tartt, decent player but too injury prone. I was hoping to draft a S. With Bourne gone, need another slot receiver, Elijah Moore out of Ole Miss perhaps?. And one spot that needs serious upgrading is RG. Aaron Banks of Notre Dame is the best G in my opinion besides Rashawn Slater. They put him in between McGlinchey and Mack and the OL will be great.

[CrimsonCrew]

I'm not too worried about Jimmy going out and becoming a good starter elsewhere. Our offense is about as QB-friendly as they come, and totally suits Jimmy's biggest skill - accuracy and decisiveness over the middle. It's built for the receivers to make plays and make the QB look even better than he is. Jimmy's not the same guy he was before the injury. I don't know if it's physical, mental, or some combination, but he doesn't have that lightning release and accuracy that he showed in 2017. He'll show flashes of it, but pretty sparingly. Take him out of this offense, and it's hard to picture him improving.

[Dodub]

When it comes to QB you don't want to get overly cute where you take him you just want to make sure you get your man.

If they take Mac Jones at #3 and he ends up being a top 5 QB and an MVP nobody is going to look back and say "It's great that he was an MVP but we could've gotten him at #6."

It's not a question of where they take a guy it's all a question if they should at all.

I tend to think the Mac Jones talk is a smokescreen. They don't need to hide the fact they are going to take a QB anymore but they still need to hide the fact which one they are going to take since they don't have the #2 overall pick.

So you want to make teams that are drafting after you believe you're likely to take a guy they don't want so they don't feel the need to jump over you to get the guy before you do.

I believe they are most worried about the Falcons because of the rumblings they could be looking QB at #4 so I think that's why they were motivated to get ahead of them in the first place and why they want to keep who they want in the dark because the Jets would love to move to #4 if they aren't taking a QB knowing they would get exactly who they were going to take at #2 at #4 and pick up picks along the way.

That's why I actually wouldn't be surprised if they don't trade again with the Jets to secure that #2 spot if the Jets aren't going QB.

Of course they won't, but that also goes the other way as well. If the guy they draft falls flat on his face, they'll be tarred and feathered for making such a blunder of ruining a super bowl window and mortgaging the future in the process. If they take Jones, who is widely viewed as the #5 QB in the draft, and he fails while any of the other guys drafted after Jones thrive, they'll be burned at the stake. God help them if the new guy fails, a QB drafted after #3 balls out, and Jimmy G moves on and excels elsewhere.

Obviously the team has way better intel than any of us fans have, but I just don't see much of a point in putting forth the effort to send smokescreens at this point. To me the only way it makes any sense is if you are convinced that the Jets aren't going QB @ #2 and are going to trade out. Personally, I don't think there is any way the Jets don't take a Qube at 2. Darnold has absolutely sucked, and neither Robert Saleh the HC (coming from SF this year) nor Joe Douglas the GM (coming from Philly last year) have any ties to Sam. Its a completely new regime for the Jets and Darnold is a leftover they inherited that has shown little promise, if any. I just don't see how the Jets brass pass on a QB while sitting #2 with a handful of worthy picks at the position available to them. There is some validity to being worried about the Jets swapping picks with the Falcons and with both teams still eyeing QB's and Atlanta possibly taking the 9ers guy at #2. But even with that logic, its basically the same problem they would have with the Jets taking a QB at 2.

Either way, when sitting with #3, they sure as hell better have a plan for at least 3 of the QB's on the board.

For some reason, the paragraph about Darnold gave me a crazy thought. What if all the talk about the Niners being interested in Darnold was just a long con? Make the Jets think they have something in Darnold so they're less likely to take a QB. I don't think that's true, but it would be awesome if it was.

Grant Cohn has been going a little crazy in the aftermath of the trade, and apparently thinks that the Jets don't want Wilson (and apparently don't even want a QB). On draft day, they'll trade with the Niners for the Niners' second-round pick, and the Niners will take Wilson. Awfully far-fetched IMO. Not least because, if the Jets were so inclined to trade, I'm sure they could get a top-10 pick - maybe even #4 - and pick up at least a first-round pick next year, and probably more.

I want to start off by saying Grant Cohn is a complete idiot. When I watch him and his friends, it’s like listening to a bunch of random dudes at a sports bar. That being said, there are some times that I agree. This is one of them. However I don’t believe it’s to keep Darnold, I think they could really like Fields or Lance. Not all of the film on Wilson is positive once you get past the flash and highlights.

I don’t know if you guys watch JTO’s QB School on youtube, but he has some great stuff.

[CrimsonCrew]

Cactus Jack just posted one of JT's review of Wilson in one of the other threads. He's got some fair critiques of Wilson, to be sure.

Cohn has improved a lot over the past few years, but he still can't shake his jackass roots. And I agree, some of his guests are a disaster, and he's just throwing out TONS of content these days, so plenty of his takes are absurd. Though I agree the team had better prepare for every eventuality. Got to have three QBs they like, and have them clear in their minds going into this one.

[Samurai]

It's all speculation at this point. No sense getting worked up before anything is official.

I watched him throw a both pro days. I just don’t understand. Yes he’s fairly accurate on short and intermediate, but he was terrible on the long stuff. His passes didn’t have near the velocity that the other QB’s displayed at their pro days. Not to mention, he’s an average at best athlete. I just don’t get it.

In some ways, Jones is similar to a younger, healthier Jimmy G. Jimmy is also a very accurate passer, especially with no pass rush and no defensive backs on the field. If I were the GM, I wouldn't give up those first round picks to get a younger Jimmy G; I only sell the farm for a potential game-changer. That sounds like Fields much more than it does Jones.

[wco81]

And if Fields bombs out at QB, convert him to WR?

[goober]

And if Fields bombs out at QB, convert him to WR?

Oh my god if we draft Braxton Miller

[Dodub]

And if Fields bombs out at QB, convert him to WR?

No, I want a QB. Fields just runs too quickly for my taste, I’d like for him to spend some more time in the pocket going through progressions and only run when he needs to. I’ve watched too many times on the film where he runs after the first read. Of course that can be coached out of a player, but I’m concerned that he has too many bad habits. Lance actually looks a little more polished in terms of mechanics and footworks, especially after working with Quincy Avery for the last 6+ months. I want to see more off platform stuff from Lance before I go all in.