Woj: Dipo to Miami

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Oladipo to Heat: your take?

Home Dipo: Miami wins, getting a talent upgrade (and Bird rights!) for virtually nothing.
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Rocket Science: Houston wins, getting any value at all to end a relationship no one ever really wanted.
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To the Victor go the spoils: both teams win, Miami gets their guy and Houston gets out of their guy.
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OverHeated: both teams lose. Oladipo won't move the needle, and Houston might not have gotten anything at all.
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Total votes: 52

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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#121 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:23 pm

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Hal14 wrote:Miami is the perfect fit for him, huh? How do you figure. MIA is really rolling the dice putting Butler and Oladipo on the same team. 2 guys who both have a reputation for being really hot headed and aggressive/abrasive personalities who have a history of causing dysfunction in the locker room, who both want to have the ball in their hands, who both want to score. You don't see that as a potential risk? Butler has been a head case everywhere he's been until MIA - why has it worked out for him in Miami? Because no one else on the team is an alpha male personality, all the other guys like Bam, Herro, Robinson are these laid back nice guys. I know Robinson personally, nicest kid on the planet, wouldn't hurt a fly.

And you say they gave up spare parts to get Oladipo. How is Olynyk a spare part? He's their starting PF. Now they have no PF, only Bjelica who is not capable of starting for a good basketball team. Bjelica couldn't even start on a bad Kings team. Bjelica can't play defense. MIA hoping to land Aldridge, but he's ready to check into a retirement home, Spurs dumped him cause he can't play D anymore..



I’ll say this, but Oladipo isn’t at all “hot headed” or an “abrasive personality” in the locker room. He’s fine enough in his personal interactions. He can be a bit cool and distant, but he doesn’t get guys fired up angry in any way. His biggest fault is that he thinks he’s a big time “brand” and focuses too much on that, without recognizing that if the basketball isn’t great, he has no brand to build. If anything, he’s more of a “snake” but always seems cool to his teammates in person, if that makes sense?

Makes sense. I'll take your word for it, being a Pacers fan. Sounds like maybe the issues Oladipo has had have been moreso with team management and less with teammates. So he could be a good fit in MIA, we'll see..not sure if there will be enough shots to go around though for Butler/Bam/Herro/Robinson/Dragic/Oladipo..


Yeah, it’s hard to say. His Indy issues were that he was a bit isolated, he did almost all his rehab away from the team (in Miami), an he apparently kept asking opponents post game if he could “come play with y’all” (none of his teammates or the coaches ever came out on the record or off the record to defend him in these allegations, which speaks volumes). But, when he was around? He was pretty cool... :dontknow:

One thing I almost forgot was he burned a few bridges in the bubble when the George Floyd protests almost shut down the bubble when his response was basically “we can’t do anything, why even try?”

But shots might be an issue. However, if Spo can motivate him to focus on being an all-defense guy again, and the shots will come, they’ll do great.
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#122 » by NBADraft2003 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:07 pm

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Hal14 wrote:Miami is the perfect fit for him, huh? How do you figure. MIA is really rolling the dice putting Butler and Oladipo on the same team. 2 guys who both have a reputation for being really hot headed and aggressive/abrasive personalities who have a history of causing dysfunction in the locker room, who both want to have the ball in their hands, who both want to score. You don't see that as a potential risk? Butler has been a head case everywhere he's been until MIA - why has it worked out for him in Miami? Because no one else on the team is an alpha male personality, all the other guys like Bam, Herro, Robinson are these laid back nice guys. I know Robinson personally, nicest kid on the planet, wouldn't hurt a fly.

And you say they gave up spare parts to get Oladipo. How is Olynyk a spare part? He's their starting PF. Now they have no PF, only Bjelica who is not capable of starting for a good basketball team. Bjelica couldn't even start on a bad Kings team. Bjelica can't play defense. MIA hoping to land Aldridge, but he's ready to check into a retirement home, Spurs dumped him cause he can't play D anymore..

Lol

Just about everything about this take is trash AND wrong :lol:

1) Of course the Heat fan says that
2) Way to trash someone's take without backing it up with anything of substance.

Oladipo and Butler as “hot heads/aggressive/abrasive” is laughable. Especially Vic, I get trying to label Jimmy that a little bit BUT him trying to get the most out of teammates isn’t an issue or shouldn’t be. Trying to say Vic caused dysfunction anywhere he’s been is absolutely a clown take. If anybody has to call you out to work hard, it’s a problem. Me being a Heat fan has nothing to do with it. You want to know why it’s worked? Because everybody works hard, simple. Olynyk is a spare part, he’s replaceable. Just say you hate the Heat instead of pulling crap out your rear.
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#123 » by gom » Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:22 pm

Can we at least agree that Butler charges too much for coffee?
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#124 » by gom » Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:26 pm

I finally voted both teams win the trade, and I'm limiting the focus only to this deal. Nothing was guaranteed Houston. Oladipo likely would not have cooperated next offseason, so getting anything is a win. I value the players Miami sent to Houston, so they are definitely better than nothing. I don't think the pick swap is that big of a deal, and I like it as an impetus to push the Heat FO to invest this offseason. I have Miami as a win, and I'm thinking a little more general. They now have two free roster spaces. There is an opportunity to still improve if they can seize it.
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#125 » by gom » Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:05 am

The fact Miami had no PF or C waiting in the wing makes this trade worse.
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#126 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:11 pm

gom wrote:The fact Miami had no PF or C waiting in the wing makes this trade worse.


I’m sure they assumed they had an Aldridge or Drummond waiting for them. It just didn’t work out.
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#127 » by gom » Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:39 pm

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gom wrote:The fact Miami had no PF or C waiting in the wing makes this trade worse.


I’m sure they assumed they had an Aldridge or Drummond waiting for them. It just didn’t work out.


Agreed, but you don't trade Olynyk in this situation, not with other players who could be used to match salary. Oladipo better play a lot better than he did for Houston. :banghead:
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#128 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:40 pm

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gom wrote:The fact Miami had no PF or C waiting in the wing makes this trade worse.


I’m sure they assumed they had an Aldridge or Drummond waiting for them. It just didn’t work out.


I think they thought LMA was coming. I think a lot of folks did. But I find it hard to believe that they couldn't have convinced Dieng to go to Miami if they really pushed. Still some time, though, for other buyout guys. Probably not at that level.
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#129 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:15 pm

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gom wrote:The fact Miami had no PF or C waiting in the wing makes this trade worse.


I’m sure they assumed they had an Aldridge or Drummond waiting for them. It just didn’t work out.


I think they thought LMA was coming. I think a lot of folks did. But I find it hard to believe that they couldn't have convinced Dieng to go to Miami if they really pushed. Still some time, though, for other buyout guys. Probably not at that level.


Reports are that they’re monitoring Dewayne Dedmon.
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#130 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:43 pm

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I’m sure they assumed they had an Aldridge or Drummond waiting for them. It just didn’t work out.


I think they thought LMA was coming. I think a lot of folks did. But I find it hard to believe that they couldn't have convinced Dieng to go to Miami if they really pushed. Still some time, though, for other buyout guys. Probably not at that level.


Reports are that they’re monitoring Dewayne Dedmon.


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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#131 » by Stillwater » Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:17 pm

If he plays well Miami if the post INDY struggles continue HOU wins
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#132 » by LightTheBeam » Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:22 pm

Stillwater wrote:If he plays well Miami if the post INDY struggles continue HOU wins


I don't think there's any chance Houston wins this trade. They didn't get anything of value beyond this year.

This trade is either a win/lose for Miami based on what you said, but Houston can't win. They lost the second they took Dipo for LeVert and it only because worse giving him away for nothing.
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#133 » by LloydFree » Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:40 pm

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Stillwater wrote:If he plays well Miami if the post INDY struggles continue HOU wins


I don't think there's any chance Houston wins this trade. They didn't get anything of value beyond this year.

This trade is either a win/lose for Miami based on what you said, but Houston can't win. They lost the second they took Dipo for LeVert and it only because worse giving him away for nothing.

Fertitta didn't do this trade with any intent to win the trade or to improve his team. It was a last minute eff u, to the 76ers (Morey) and the Nets (Harden). Hoping to impede their paths to the Finals.
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#134 » by BBallFreak » Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:41 pm

I would say Miami cannot lose this trade, even if he's horrible. If he's bad, you move on and offer that money to Kyle Lowry. It costs you maybe 10 positions in the draft. So what? It potentially saves you $120,000,000 (4 years at $30 million per) in real salary that he might have dem1anded.

If he's great as a player and he fits, personality-wise and culture-wise, then it's easier to commit.

Either way, what it costs is negligible...
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Post#135 » by bondom34 » Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:44 pm

BBallFreak wrote:I would say Miami cannot lose this trade, even if he's horrible. If he's bad, you move on and offer that money to Kyle Lowry. It costs you maybe 10 positions in the draft. So what? It potentially saves you $120,000,000 (4 years at $30 million per) in real salary that he might have dem1anded.

If he's great as a player and he fits, personality-wise and culture-wise, then it's easier to commit.

Either way, what it costs is negligible...

Yeah, if he's bad they find out now instead of throwing money at him this summer and having a bad longer term deal for a guy they signed without knowing. If he's good they sign him anyway and its a win.
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#136 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:48 pm

BBallFreak wrote:I would say Miami cannot lose this trade, even if he's horrible. If he's bad, you move on and offer that money to Kyle Lowry. It costs you maybe 10 positions in the draft. So what? It potentially saves you $120,000,000 (4 years at $30 million per) in real salary that he might have dem1anded.

If he's great as a player and he fits, personality-wise and culture-wise, then it's easier to commit.

Either way, what it costs is negligible...


There’s absolutely a way that Miami could “lose” the trade. It’s just that even if they lose, the cost is absolutely minuscule that the chance was worth it. But, even if they don’t re-sign him, in theory, Oladipo could cause longer issues. Hypothetically, of course.
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Post#137 » by BBallFreak » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:53 pm

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BBallFreak wrote:I would say Miami cannot lose this trade, even if he's horrible. If he's bad, you move on and offer that money to Kyle Lowry. It costs you maybe 10 positions in the draft. So what? It potentially saves you $120,000,000 (4 years at $30 million per) in real salary that he might have dem1anded.

If he's great as a player and he fits, personality-wise and culture-wise, then it's easier to commit.

Either way, what it costs is negligible...


There’s absolutely a way that Miami could “lose” the trade. It’s just that even if they lose, the cost is absolutely minuscule that the chance was worth it. But, even if they don’t re-sign him, in theory, Oladipo could cause longer issues. Hypothetically, of course.

He would pretty much have to be a divisive monster in order for Miami to lose. I suppose if he kept it in check, played really well until Miami resigned him, and then fell off a cliff while dividing the team, we would lose, but that's an awfully specific scenario...
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#138 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:12 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
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BBallFreak wrote:I would say Miami cannot lose this trade, even if he's horrible. If he's bad, you move on and offer that money to Kyle Lowry. It costs you maybe 10 positions in the draft. So what? It potentially saves you $120,000,000 (4 years at $30 million per) in real salary that he might have dem1anded.

If he's great as a player and he fits, personality-wise and culture-wise, then it's easier to commit.

Either way, what it costs is negligible...


There’s absolutely a way that Miami could “lose” the trade. It’s just that even if they lose, the cost is absolutely minuscule that the chance was worth it. But, even if they don’t re-sign him, in theory, Oladipo could cause longer issues. Hypothetically, of course.

He would pretty much have to be a divisive monster in order for Miami to lose. I suppose if he kept it in check, played really well until Miami resigned him, and then fell off a cliff while dividing the team, we would lose, but that's an awfully specific scenario...


It’s just surprising how small moves like this can cause ripples you didn’t expect. For Indiana, the Granger for Allen/Evan Turner swap seemed like an auto good deal for us. Granger was out for the year, and we thought getting Lavoy Allen and Evan Turner to produce anything would be a huge help. Well, the sheer dynamic change for even just the remainder of that season caused enough of a dynamic change that it was a major catalyst for the breakup of that Pacers team. Even small, short term, moves, can affect morale and the team for the long haul. Miami is pretty cool, so odds are low, but you just never know until after.
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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#139 » by gom » Thu Apr 1, 2021 10:52 pm

There is a good chance vic oladipo plays tonight! He was interviewed this morning:

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Re: Woj: Dipo to Miami 

Post#140 » by ThatBoyNick » Thu Apr 1, 2021 11:47 pm

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Stillwater wrote:If he plays well Miami if the post INDY struggles continue HOU wins


I don't think there's any chance Houston wins this trade. They didn't get anything of value beyond this year.


There is, let me explain

Assuming Olynyk/Bradley outproduce Oladipo that is a technical win. If Oladipo walks free from Miami and Olynyk decides to re-sign or be S&T'd for small value from Hou that would be a win.

Avery Bradley has a team option next year, for only 6 mill, and he's having a career year shooting % wise. Rockets could likely easily flip him for a 2nd which is a win, or just enjoy his services for next season.

Lastly, the swap. Heat theoretically could end up 15th, Nets could end up 30th, Rockets could then trade up 15 spots. Or, if the Heats pick lands in the lotto it becomes a 2nd.

So there are multiple ways this trade could end up being a win for Houston, whether you consider any of them likely, or to be sizable or not are different debates.

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