2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2

[3toheadmelo]

Let me guess. You fancy Tre Mann as a higher upside better prospect than Moody right?

yes he is. and it’s not a stretch cause even DX has him higher by 6 spots on their big board. they know your boy Moody is just a Danny green role player

Last month you dgaf about mocks and big boards. Now you quoting them and back to nuthuggin DX. Make up your damn mind!

i don’t agree with their big board completely but they at least see what I’ve been telling you about Moody since day one

[2010]

yes he is. and it’s not a stretch cause even DX has him higher by 6 spots on their big board. they know your boy Moody is just a Danny green role player

Last month you dgaf about mocks and big boards. Now you quoting them and back to nuthuggin DX. Make up your damn mind!

i don’t agree with their big board completely but they at least see what I’ve been telling you about Moody since day one

You’re going to end up wrong just like you were wrong on Mikal and will be wrong on Vassell too.

[3toheadmelo]

DX with the ether. Is this your king 2010

Top 100 ranking: 21

No prospect's draft stock took more of a hit over the past two weeks than Moody's.

The 18-year-old Arkansas wing entered the NCAA tournament with considerable momentum. He capped off an SEC Freshman of the Year season by averaging 22.2 points over his final four pre-tournament games, knocking down 43% of his triples and adding value on both ends of the floor.

In four NCAA tournament games, however, Moody averaged only 13 points in 35.8 minutes per game. He shot a woeful 41% from 2 and 3-for-17 from 3 while totaling just 2 assists to 7 turnovers. Moody's defensive intensity wavered, his aggression was sporadic, his shot looked flat, he proved too willing to settle for contested 2s, and his lack of burst, bounce, strength and quickness against teams like Texas Tech and Baylor really limited him on both ends.

On one hand, Moody entered the season projected outside the lottery as more of a floor-spacing wing who can make an open shot and attack a closeout with the wingspan (7-foot-1) to add value defensively. That's the role we saw him play at Montverde. His limitations as a ball handler and shot-creator in more of a featured role are further proof that he's best used as a complementary piece with more dynamic players around him.

But even with that in mind, NBA scouts won't be encouraged by how rattled he looked at times amid his struggles on the brightest stage, even throwing a panic outlet pass out of bounds against Baylor. Too often Arkansas looked crisper with Moody on the bench than on the floor. Despite an impressive statistical season overall, his issues against top-flight teams were a theme all year. Moody beat up on the SEC's bottom half yet had issues scoring efficiently against the conference's elite. In 11 games against teams under .500, Moody averaged 18.4 points on 60.3% from 2 and 43.3% from 3. In 21 games against teams with a winning record, Moody shot just 42% from 2 and 31% from 3 while committing more turnovers than assists.

Unbothered. This is all good news to me. If they were writing how high his stock has risen it’d mean he’d be out of our range. I hope they write more hit pieces on him, tbh.

If we get him in the late teens to twenties you take him and ruuunnnnn!

Perfect wing w/ size to pair with RJ and Randle.

how does none of that concern you. it said he sucked against good teams and at times the team was better without him. this guy ain’t no Allan Houston/Klay Thompson

[3toheadmelo]

Last month you dgaf about mocks and big boards. Now you quoting them and back to nuthuggin DX. Make up your damn mind!

i don’t agree with their big board completely but they at least see what I’ve been telling you about Moody since day one

You’re going to end up wrong just like you were wrong on Mikal and will be wrong on Vassell too.

how was I wrong on mikal? I said he’s a role player which he exactly is.

and now you flip flopping on Vassell cause you was telling me you didn’t like him and wanted the Knicks to avoid him.

[2010]

Gimme Moody or Ziaire with our pick (whichever falls)
Gimme Mitchell with Dallas’ pick
Gimme BJ Boston with Detroit’s pick

...and if Mitchell continues to rise due to his tourney run then it’s not inconceivable that we could walk away with Moody & Ziaire then go with a PG like Giddey, Cooper, or Nix at the Detroit pick.

[3toheadmelo]

Gimme Moody or Ziaire with our pick (whichever falls)
Gimme Mitchell with Dallas’ pick
Gimme BJ Boston with Detroit’s pick

...and if Mitchell continues to rise due to his tourney run then it’s not inconceivable that we could walk away with Moody & Ziaire then go with a PG like Giddey, Cooper, or Nix at the Detroit pick.

[2010]

DX with the ether. Is this your king 2010

Unbothered. This is all good news to me. If they were writing how high his stock has risen it’d mean he’d be out of our range. I hope they write more hit pieces on him, tbh.

If we get him in the late teens to twenties you take him and ruuunnnnn!

Perfect wing w/ size to pair with RJ and Randle.

how does none of that concern you. it said he sucked against good teams and at times the team was better without him. this guy ain’t no Allan Houston/Klay Thompson

I’m not concerned cuz the college game is diff than the pros. On the Knicks he’d have Randle, RJ, IQ, and if they stay, guys like Rose & Burks having the defenses attention. He’d get a ton of open looks off the ball. You and I disagree that we require a high usage shot creator guy at the slot we are drafting.

I would only agree if we had a top 6 pick. But since those top level prospects are no longer in play, there is no way in hell a guy like Tre Mann is coming in here and getting the keys to be ABOVE an RJ or an IQ and getting the usage rate required to create shots for himself. You are being delusional.

At our slot, we need to focus on a guy who will be playing a role and playing it plug and play. Able to contribute immediately while functioning in a team concept off the ball and with low usage.

The only way it would be different is if we were in the running for a top pick. But that ship has sailed.

I like to deal in reality. Remember you are the same one who told me before the season that Thibs would come in and tank and I kept tryna talk sense into you that there was no way that would EVER happen on his watch.

#delusional

[2010]

Gimme Moody or Ziaire with our pick (whichever falls)
Gimme Mitchell with Dallas’ pick
Gimme BJ Boston with Detroit’s pick

...and if Mitchell continues to rise due to his tourney run then it’s not inconceivable that we could walk away with Moody & Ziaire then go with a PG like Giddey, Cooper, or Nix at the Detroit pick.

I only include fat boy Nix cuz he is realistically gonna be there for that early 2nd slot. With a GM hat on you gotta acknowledge a player can be a bad pick in one slot (lottery) but a value pick at another slot (2nd round).

[2010]

i don’t agree with their big board completely but they at least see what I’ve been telling you about Moody since day one

You’re going to end up wrong just like you were wrong on Mikal and will be wrong on Vassell too.

how was I wrong on mikal? I said he’s a role player which he exactly is.

and now you flip flopping on Vassell cause you was telling me you didn’t like him and wanted the Knicks to avoid him.

I didn’t like Vassell at #8. But I had zero concern when all of you were fangirling about a slingshot/catapult shot in a YouTube video.

I would have been fine with Vassell in a trade back scenario. Again, I can not like a player at a high slot, but love him at a lower slot.

[3toheadmelo]

Unbothered. This is all good news to me. If they were writing how high his stock has risen it’d mean he’d be out of our range. I hope they write more hit pieces on him, tbh.

If we get him in the late teens to twenties you take him and ruuunnnnn!

Perfect wing w/ size to pair with RJ and Randle.

how does none of that concern you. it said he sucked against good teams and at times the team was better without him. this guy ain’t no Allan Houston/Klay Thompson

I’m not concerned cuz the college game is diff than the pros. On the Knicks he’d have Randle, RJ, IQ, and if they stay, guys like Rose & Burks having the defenses attention. He’d get a ton of open looks off the ball. You and I disagree that we require a high usage shot creator guy at the slot we are drafting.

I would only agree if we had a top 6 pick. But since those top level prospects are no longer in play, there is no way in hell a guy like Tre Mann is coming in here and getting the keys to be ABOVE an RJ or an IQ and getting the usage rate required to create shots for himself. You are being delusional.

At our slot, we need to focus on a guy who will be playing a role and playing it plug and play. Able to contribute immediately while functioning in a team concept off the ball and with low usage.

The only way it would be different is if we were in the running for a top pick. But that ship has sailed.

I like to deal in reality. Remember you are the same one who told me before the season that Thibs would come in and tank and I kept tryna talk sense into you that there was no way that would EVER happen on his watch.

#delusional

I never said Thibs was gonna tank and lose games on purpose. I said the Knicks were gonna be ass due to our roster. You know that bro. I underestimated how good of a coach Thibs is so I’ll give you that.

Knicks went with your same line of thinking and took the “most ready” NBA player of the draft with Obi. Look how that turned out. And yet someone like IQ has forced himself into the rotation and is even lowering Payton’s playing time to like 18 mpg lately. If Tre Mann or any guard we draft is legit then they will find a way into the rotation as well.

[3toheadmelo]

Gimme Moody or Ziaire with our pick (whichever falls)
Gimme Mitchell with Dallas’ pick
Gimme BJ Boston with Detroit’s pick

...and if Mitchell continues to rise due to his tourney run then it’s not inconceivable that we could walk away with Moody & Ziaire then go with a PG like Giddey, Cooper, or Nix at the Detroit pick.

I only include fat boy Nix cuz he is realistically gonna be there for that early 2nd slot. With a GM hat on you gotta acknowledge a player can be a bad pick in one slot (lottery) but a value pick at another slot (2nd round).

You tryna play both sides here. You’ll schit on guys like Nix, Mitchell and even Kuminga relentlessly but then you will want the Knicks to draft them if available. You flip flopping like crazy

[Fat]

Gimme Moody or Ziaire with our pick (whichever falls)
Gimme Mitchell with Dallas’ pick
Gimme BJ Boston with Detroit’s pick

...and if Mitchell continues to rise due to his tourney run then it’s not inconceivable that we could walk away with Moody & Ziaire then go with a PG like Giddey, Cooper, or Nix at the Detroit pick.

Somebody will probably still take a flyer on BJ in the first due to potential just not with a lottery pick

[3toheadmelo]

You’re going to end up wrong just like you were wrong on Mikal and will be wrong on Vassell too.

how was I wrong on mikal? I said he’s a role player which he exactly is.

and now you flip flopping on Vassell cause you was telling me you didn’t like him and wanted the Knicks to avoid him.

I didn’t like Vassell at #8. But I had zero concern when all of you were fangirling about a slingshot/catapult shot in a YouTube video.

I would have been fine with Vassell in a trade back scenario. Again, I can not like a player at a high slot, but love him at a lower slot.

Change this to your avatar

[2010]

I only include fat boy Nix cuz he is realistically gonna be there for that early 2nd slot. With a GM hat on you gotta acknowledge a player can be a bad pick in one slot (lottery) but a value pick at another slot (2nd round).

You tryna play both sides here. You’ll schit on guys like Nix, Mitchell and even Kuminga relentlessly but then you will want the Knicks to draft them if available. You flip flopping like crazy

How is that flip flopping? I would steer far far clear of Nix with a lottery pick. But for a 2nd round pick with our Detroit slot it’s worth taking a flyer on cuz he could be the best floor general available there if Giddy and Cooper are gone.

Mitchell, you know I still have concerns about his size. I can’t wait to see his measurements. But I have been sold on how much of a dog he is, how he competes defensively, and his shotmaking ability at all 3 levels. I just hope he is a legit 6’2” and can function as a full-time PG. Especially at his age.

Kuminga, I still think he is a 5th/6th pick. He is the worst out of the top tier guys. I don’t think that’s a wild assessment of all. Cade, Mobley, Suggs, and Green are all better than him. And I wouldn’t be surprised if one other darkhorse player creeps into the top 5 ahead of him either. He didn’t dominate the G League tourney, that’s for sure.

[3toheadmelo]

I only include fat boy Nix cuz he is realistically gonna be there for that early 2nd slot. With a GM hat on you gotta acknowledge a player can be a bad pick in one slot (lottery) but a value pick at another slot (2nd round).

You tryna play both sides here. You’ll schit on guys like Nix, Mitchell and even Kuminga relentlessly but then you will want the Knicks to draft them if available. You flip flopping like crazy

How is that flip flopping? I would steer far far clear of Nix with a lottery pick. But for a 2nd round pick with our Detroit slot it’s worth taking a flyer on cuz he could be the best floor general available there if Giddy and Cooper are gone.

Mitchell, you know I still have concerns about his size. I can’t wait to see his measurements. But I have been sold on how much of a dog he is, how he competes defensively, and his shotmaking ability at all 3 levels. I just hope he is a legit 6’2” and can function as a full-time PG. Especially at his age.

Kuminga, I still think he is a 5th/6th pick. He is the worst out of the top tier guys. I don’t think that’s a wild assessment of all. Cade, Mobley, Suggs, and Green are all better than him. And I wouldn’t be surprised if one other darkhorse player creeps into the top 5 ahead of him either. He didn’t dominate the G League tourney, that’s for sure.

You playing both sides so you can’t say you were wrong on them.

[2010]

You tryna play both sides here. You’ll schit on guys like Nix, Mitchell and even Kuminga relentlessly but then you will want the Knicks to draft them if available. You flip flopping like crazy

How is that flip flopping? I would steer far far clear of Nix with a lottery pick. But for a 2nd round pick with our Detroit slot it’s worth taking a flyer on cuz he could be the best floor general available there if Giddy and Cooper are gone.

Mitchell, you know I still have concerns about his size. I can’t wait to see his measurements. But I have been sold on how much of a dog he is, how he competes defensively, and his shotmaking ability at all 3 levels. I just hope he is a legit 6’2” and can function as a full-time PG. Especially at his age.

Kuminga, I still think he is a 5th/6th pick. He is the worst out of the top tier guys. I don’t think that’s a wild assessment of all. Cade, Mobley, Suggs, and Green are all better than him. And I wouldn’t be surprised if one other darkhorse player creeps into the top 5 ahead of him either. He didn’t dominate the G League tourney, that’s for sure.

You playing both sides so you can’t say you were wrong on them.

Nah, you just want me to call players either a star or a complete bust with no in-between.

Ok cool, since you wanna act like Moses Moody is the next Morris Almond, I’ll have at it as well some some bust comps.

• Your mans Tre Mann is the next Javaris Crittenton
• Your mans Obi Toppin is the next Hakim Warrick

[3toheadmelo]

How is that flip flopping? I would steer far far clear of Nix with a lottery pick. But for a 2nd round pick with our Detroit slot it’s worth taking a flyer on cuz he could be the best floor general available there if Giddy and Cooper are gone.

Mitchell, you know I still have concerns about his size. I can’t wait to see his measurements. But I have been sold on how much of a dog he is, how he competes defensively, and his shotmaking ability at all 3 levels. I just hope he is a legit 6’2” and can function as a full-time PG. Especially at his age.

Kuminga, I still think he is a 5th/6th pick. He is the worst out of the top tier guys. I don’t think that’s a wild assessment of all. Cade, Mobley, Suggs, and Green are all better than him. And I wouldn’t be surprised if one other darkhorse player creeps into the top 5 ahead of him either. He didn’t dominate the G League tourney, that’s for sure.

You playing both sides so you can’t say you were wrong on them.

Nah, you just want me to call players either a star or a complete bust with no in-between.

Ok cool, since you wanna act like Moses Moody is the next Morris Almond, I’ll have at it as well some some bust comps.

• Your mans Tre Mann is the next Javaris Crittenton
• Your mans Obi Toppin is the next Hakim Warrick

Your mans Kevin Knox is the next Travis Wear

[Guano]

this ucla/bama game is so damn good

guano curse undefeated?

smfh - I messed up talking sht to myself. I meant to quote this one.

Zags vs USC is gonna be a fun game

[stuporman]

The Knicks are looking more and more as if they will probably have their first rounders outside of the lottery so if they can get someone as good as Quickley has been with one of the two selections they will have done a good job. When a team has multiple 1sts in a strong draft like this it's a powerful position to be in getting a rookie contributor or flipping one of them in a trade.

If they by chance find one as nice as IQ and another who is contributing solidly to the team in their rookie year out of the other two picks, the other 1st and the early 2nd, they will have done a great job. This draft has the players dotted deep into the 2nd round that will be guys who make a rookie impact to a degree so it's possible the Knicks can find two players who shine.

[knickstape4ever]

Davion Mitchell got moved up to #12 by ESPN DX

was hoping we'd be able to target him w/ the Mavs pick. he seriously reminds me of a less athletic, poor man's Donovan Mitchell

w/ Moody falling to #21 on their board, and potentially falling that could be good for us. grab him w/ the Mavs pick if so. still confident in his 3PT shooting and his defense and I'll bank on his improvement since he's one of the youngest prospects in the draft

they also have Bouknight at #18. that's one of my primary targets. I don't love taking older players (21), but he's the 3-level shot creator we need IMO