GO CRAZY PAT! - Patrick Williams thread p2

[DuckIII]

And I appear to be one of the only fans who sees star upside. Which makes me think sometimes I’m not being objective.

I see star upside. He's tall, strong, quick, with hops, has a good shot, can dribble some, and seems to have the right mindset. There's nothing preventing him from becoming an All Star. But every year, several guys with roughly similar athleticism and talents get drafted, and most of them never hit their potential ceilings. So ... I watch and wait.

But sure, you could end up being correct. Without question.

Pat has oodles of potential with his skillset and physical attributes, but his success will be predicated on work ethic. Also, as I learned from Lauri, luck (opportunity and health) will play a role as well getting good training advice.

I think it’s totally fair to say Lauri had bad luck with his injuries. But he’s not been shortchanged on opportunity.

So far Patrick Lee Williams has had both health and opportunity, of course. And on the opportunity front, I think it’s pretty clear to all of us that the organization has made it a major priority to develop him, and has a specific plan to do so that they are following. Whether one agrees with it or not.

So everything is in place for him to prosper if his mind is right. Assuming I’m right about his elite upside, which may not be the case.

[sco]

I see star upside. He's tall, strong, quick, with hops, has a good shot, can dribble some, and seems to have the right mindset. There's nothing preventing him from becoming an All Star. But every year, several guys with roughly similar athleticism and talents get drafted, and most of them never hit their potential ceilings. So ... I watch and wait.

But sure, you could end up being correct. Without question.

Pat has oodles of potential with his skillset and physical attributes, but his success will be predicated on work ethic. Also, as I learned from Lauri, luck (opportunity and health) will play a role as well getting good training advice.

I think it’s totally fair to say Lauri had bad luck with his injuries. But he’s not been shortchanged on opportunity.

So far Patrick Lee Williams has had both health and opportunity, of course. And on the opportunity front, I think it’s pretty clear to all of us that the organization has made it a major priority to develop him, and has a specific plan to do so that they are following. Whether one agrees with it or not.

So everything is in place for him to prosper if his mind is right. Assuming I’m right about his elite upside, which may not be the case.

Yeah, as long as the old Bulls trainers/Finnish trainers Lauri used stay far away! Dude needs to stay quick.

[Clocian]

Two solid games in a row. He may be breaking out here. He needs to be more aggressive and assertive on this team.

We’ll see. It sometimes feels like it’s gonna happen. And then he rips the ball away like Lucy.

But I still just look at the tools and drool. And I appear to be one of the only fans who sees star upside. Which makes me think sometimes I’m not being objective.

I'm a bigger Paw supporter than you! Just haven't been posting in this thread as there's no point in trying to go up against most on this board that have already made up their mind on him.

Pat is gonna be big, it's just a matter of giving him time to grow into it, instead of already setting expectations and calling him a bust as the youngest in the league.

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[Wingy]

We’ll see. It sometimes feels like it’s gonna happen. And then he rips the ball away like Lucy.

But I still just look at the tools and drool. And I appear to be one of the only fans who sees star upside. Which makes me think sometimes I’m not being objective.

I'm a bigger Paw supporter than you! Just haven't been posting in this thread as there's no point in trying to go up against most on this board that have already made up their mind on him.

Pat is gonna be big, it's just a matter of giving him time to grow into it, instead of already setting expectations and calling him a bust as the youngest in the league.

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Oh, wow. Them's fightin words.

Technically 2nd youngest in the league (Poku).

Showing positive signs again. Block on Ayton oop was ridiculous...I'm sure they exist, but I can't personally recall seeing a block like that in memory. Then of course in true rookie fashion, he turns it over right away.

Hopefully all these defensive ass whoopings at the hands of star wings is making him hungry to work this offseason. With you guys. I think we've got a good one. It's just hard for some people to wait, but I think it'll be worth it.

[fleet]

Two solid games in a row. He may be breaking out here. He needs to be more aggressive and assertive on this team.

We’ll see. It sometimes feels like it’s gonna happen. And then he rips the ball away like Lucy.

But I still just look at the tools and drool. And I appear to be one of the only fans who sees star upside. Which makes me think sometimes I’m not being objective.

His mind is the only possible limitation. If he was an alpha dog it would be an all star career no doubt. He should be able to make a living just at the free throw line. I hope one of these summers Jimmy Butler gets ahold of him, but he’s probably a follower, which could preclude all star consistency.

[Ice Man]

I'm a bigger Paw supporter than you! Just haven't been posting in this thread as there's no point in trying to go up against most on this board that have already made up their mind on him.

I don't think that's true. The rookie love has faded a bit, people are more critical now of his mistakes than they were in January, but very few have written him off. The guy is 19 years old. Unless he is killing it on an ongoing basis, in which case we can confidently say we drafted a unicorn, or he's terrible each and every night, in which case we drafted Marquis Teague, there's just not that much that can be known about him.

[GoBlue72391]

I'm starting to worry that PWill has the same issue as Lauri: he's naturally passive and only flashes aggressiveness on occasion.

It's too early to tell for sure, as I believe he's the second youngest player in the league and doesn't even have a full season under his belt, but if that is indeed the case it's very troubling. It could just be his role and age, but it's not a habit that can be easily broken and it's the fatal flaw that can determine whether someone is destined for stardom or merely a role player.

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[madvillian]

I'm starting to worry that PWill has the same issue as Lauri: he's naturally passive and only flashes aggressiveness on occasion.

It's too early to tell for sure, as I believe he's the second youngest player in the league and doesn't even have a full season under his belt, but if that is indeed the case it's very troubling. It could just be his role and age, but it's not a habit that can be easily broken and it's the fatal flaw that can determine whether someone is destined for stardom or merely a role player.

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There are countless examples of 19 year old players becoming more aggressive as they age. Just hasn't happened in Chicago recently. Best example of course would be Derrick. I'll worry about Pat if he's in his 3rd year and still looking like a 5th option.

[Mk0]

Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer put out a pretty good PatWill breakdown

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[HINrichPolice]

Two solid games in a row. He may be breaking out here. He needs to be more aggressive and assertive on this team.

We’ll see. It sometimes feels like it’s gonna happen. And then he rips the ball away like Lucy.

But I still just look at the tools and drool. And I appear to be one of the only fans who sees star upside. Which makes me think sometimes I’m not being objective.

I think the success of Patrick Williams this year was just as big of a factor in deciding to mortgage a couple 1st round picks to get Vucevic.

He's exactly the type of 3rd star we could ever hope for next to Zach and Vucevic.

It's going to be fun watching this core gel. I predict we peak at just the right time, squeak into the playoffs, and make noise in the 1st round.

[HINrichPolice]

And I appear to be one of the only fans who sees star upside. Which makes me think sometimes I’m not being objective.

I see star upside. He's tall, strong, quick, with hops, has a good shot, can dribble some, and seems to have the right mindset. There's nothing preventing him from becoming an All Star. But every year, several guys with roughly similar athleticism and talents get drafted, and most of them never hit their potential ceilings. So ... I watch and wait.

But sure, you could end up being correct. Without question.

I didn’t want to draft him. Despite that I’m now convinced he has the type of rare physical/skill formula to be a true franchise player. Perhaps not in the top 5 like the super freaks, but in the top 15 like the “normal freaks.”

I wonder if I’m subconsciously working overtime to convince myself.

My current ceiling for Patrick is somewhere between Kawhi and Paul George of style, athleticism, offense and defense, but playing the role of the ultimate glue guy/utility man that just makes everything easier for everyone else. I'm as high on him as you are.

[Jimako10]

I see star upside. He's tall, strong, quick, with hops, has a good shot, can dribble some, and seems to have the right mindset. There's nothing preventing him from becoming an All Star. But every year, several guys with roughly similar athleticism and talents get drafted, and most of them never hit their potential ceilings. So ... I watch and wait.

But sure, you could end up being correct. Without question.

I didn’t want to draft him. Despite that I’m now convinced he has the type of rare physical/skill formula to be a true franchise player. Perhaps not in the top 5 like the super freaks, but in the top 15 like the “normal freaks.”

I wonder if I’m subconsciously working overtime to convince myself.

My current ceiling for Patrick is somewhere between Kawhi and Paul George of style, athleticism, offense and defense, but playing the role of the ultimate glue guy/utility man that just makes everything easier for everyone else. I'm as high on him as you are.

IMO, his floor is Harrison barnes. I think I saw a Jaylen Brown comparison somewhere and I liked it. Keep in mind, Jaylen Brown took a few years to develop into what he is now.

[Andi Obst]

But I still just look at the tools and drool. And I appear to be one of the only fans who sees star upside. Which makes me think sometimes I’m not being objective.

I had Patrick Lee Williams at 5 on my draft board, loved the pick and I’m very much with you. I would also and1 every single one of your Patrick Lee Williams posts to show my support, but stupid Tapatalk won’t let me.

Keep it going. He’s going to get there.

[StunnerKO]

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[Mk0]

Watch on YouTube

At the 10m mark Swirsky asks Patrick what he does when he isn't playing basketball.
https://youtu.be/FjJr5wy_31k?t=600

Paraphrasing: Watching a game either NBA or March Madness (mens and womens)

Before the NBA, basketball was his life and only hobby. Learning now that he may need a hobby considering the amount of games and practice. Still looking.

This kid was created in a lab from the future. I am here for it

[Bullflip]

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At the 10m mark Swirsky asks Patrick what he does when he isn't playing basketball.
https://youtu.be/FjJr5wy_31k?t=600

Paraphrasing: Watching a game either NBA or March Madness (mens and womens)

Before the NBA, basketball was his life and only hobby. Learning now that he may need a hobby considering the amount of games and practice. Still looking.

This kid was created in a lab from the future. I am here for it

His demeanor reminds me so much of Kawhi. Hopefully he continues to develop into a more athletic version of Kawhi. Now that would be something

[DASMACKDOWN]

He has certainly picked up his defense the last like 4 games. He had alot of deflections tonight. To me he should be a guy that can jump the passing lanes for steals. And on offense, you can just see that he is "built different" as the kids say.

CAN'T WAIT!

[nomorezorro]

his ability to put a body on guys while driving and finish in the midrange at 19...that's the thing that makes me think he's got a real high ceiling if he can improve his handles. start getting closer to the rim, start drawing fouls...you're cooking with gas

he also doesn't seem to have tunnel vision when he's being more aggressive which i feel like you might expect from a player his age. lotta potential there!

[NecessaryEvil]

Jaylen Brown level upside IMO

[Cabbage bulls]

He has certainly picked up his defense the last like 4 games. He had alot of deflections tonight. To me he should be a guy that can jump the passing lanes for steals. And on offense, you can just see that he is "built different" as the kids say.

CAN'T WAIT!

Do you think he will be able to defend 4's as well, or mainly wings?