The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either

[ATLTimekeeper]

If we don't move up I want Bouknight. He's a player I've been eying this year. Dude can create his own shot at will and has that twitch level athleticism that you want in a prime SG.

watching him i dont see a reason he cant reach lavine, mitchell, murray levels

I can see him being a Donovan Mitchell type guard.

On talent he has better ability heading into the league, but imo character-wise he's reminiscent of Dion Waiters. I doubt he'd pass the Raptors' interviews.

[Agimat]

Is Cunningham a generational talent or just happen to be the best player in the draft? And thoughts on Jalen Green?

[Marty_Budda]

watching him i dont see a reason he cant reach lavine, mitchell, murray levels

I can see him being a Donovan Mitchell type guard.

On talent he has better ability heading into the league, but imo character-wise he's reminiscent of Dion Waiters. I doubt he'd pass the Raptors' interviews.

What makes you say that?

[Dalek]

I would think that him and Jalen Johnson are similar in talent level, just different sizes and positions.

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I actually think Jalen Johnson is ridiculously underrated. His ball handling and playmaking at his size are special

I agree. I can see freshman Keon Johnson being as good as Bouknight with an added year of development.

It's also easier to find a 6'5 player like Bouknight than a 6'9 player like Jalen Johnson.

Last year players that were remotely similar to JJ were:

Lamelo Ball 6'8
Patrick Williams 6'7
Deni Avdija 6'9

Those similar to Bouknight were:

Anthony Edwards 6'5
Kilian Hayes 6'5
Tyrese Haliburton 6'5
Devin Vassell 6'7
Josh Green 6'6
RJ Hampton 6'4

Style-wise not exactly similar but just based on the population distribution, SG is easy to fill.

Maybe he's got Devin Booker shot making but I don't think he makes his teammates better.

To be fair, I don't think his role on UCONN was to play pick and roll and distribute. Bouknight was there to carry the team and score. Guys like Book or Lavine took a couple years before they got used to being distributors, so I think you have to be fair with Bouknight.

I can see what you mean about size, but Bouknight is a prototypical shooting guard with upside to be a lead guard given his skills and the others you mentioned aren't quite that level. Why I rate him higher than Jalen Johnson is because of offense. The elite players in the game get to their spots and there is little teams can do to stop them. Bouknight is a combo of good vertical explosion, lateral speed and elite burst. In a more open NBA offense, there is not much preventing him from scoring.

It's hard to say Bouknight has played a lot of NBA talent, but I love this film that shows how Bouknight operates against Evan Mobley. He was not afraid to attack an elite shotblocker and he had good success.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Swish

By comparison, Johnson is pretty basic on offense. He actually reminds me a bit of James Johnson when he was at Wake Forest. Really good two-way player, but more of a 3rd option in the NBA. Curious where these guys end up in the draft.

[Brinbe]

mobley gives me tim duncan vibes. i would target him heavily if i were us.

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it's the gangly arms. exact same body type. uncanny.

he is gonna be a defensive monster at the next level. holy crap. that shot-blocking+switchability+able to recover on his man is wow wow wow

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[Dalek]

watching him i dont see a reason he cant reach lavine, mitchell, murray levels

I can see him being a Donovan Mitchell type guard.

On talent he has better ability heading into the league, but imo character-wise he's reminiscent of Dion Waiters. I doubt he'd pass the Raptors' interviews.

I don't know of any weird past history, but Bouknight seems like an articulate guy that is confident about who he is. He never seems disrespectful, but he knows he can be an elite player.

Spoiler:

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[TD2FutureStar]

mobley gives me tim duncan vibes. i would target him heavily if i were us.

Watch on YouTube

it's the gangly arms. exact same body type. uncanny.

he is gonna be a defensive monster at the next level. holy crap. that shot-blocking+switchability+able to recover on his man is wow wow wow

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He's going top 3, likely top 2. No way the Raptors can get him.

[Brinbe]

mobley gives me tim duncan vibes. i would target him heavily if i were us.

Watch on YouTube

it's the gangly arms. exact same body type. uncanny.

he is gonna be a defensive monster at the next level. holy crap. that shot-blocking+switchability+able to recover on his man is wow wow wow

Read on Twitter

He's going top 3, likely top 2. No way the Raptors can get him.

trade up

[youngRAPZ]

mobley gives me tim duncan vibes. i would target him heavily if i were us.

Watch on YouTube

it's the gangly arms. exact same body type. uncanny.

he is gonna be a defensive monster at the next level. holy crap. that shot-blocking+switchability+able to recover on his man is wow wow wow

Read on Twitter

He's going top 3, likely top 2. No way the Raptors can get him.

Isn’t there a lottery

[TD2FutureStar]

mobley gives me tim duncan vibes. i would target him heavily if i were us.

Watch on YouTube

it's the gangly arms. exact same body type. uncanny.

he is gonna be a defensive monster at the next level. holy crap. that shot-blocking+switchability+able to recover on his man is wow wow wow

Read on Twitter

He's going top 3, likely top 2. No way the Raptors can get him.

trade up

Sounds good, but no one is trading that pick and certainly not to Toronto. What assets do we have that takes you from #7 to #1?

[tdotrep2]

win the lotto, trade siakam for a top 5, trade fvv for myles turner. Nuttiest rebuild of all time

[mademan]

I actually think Jalen Johnson is ridiculously underrated. His ball handling and playmaking at his size are special

I’d pass on him reminds me of Aaron Gordon.

For me I think it goes

Cade
Green
Mobley
Suggs
Kuminga
Bouk

Oooh Aaron Gordon is a good comp. I think that's his floor / likely projection. Ceiling is a rich man's Aaron Gordon with more blocks and steals being 6'9 and potential to shoot better from 3. Just more defensive potential. Gordon's A/T are almost 2, that's great for a forward.

Big difference is that the knock on Gordon is his BBIQ and feel for the game, which are 2 of Johnson's strengths. I think at that size and athleticism, if youre a smart player, youre gonna be special

[Dalek]

I will never understand the love for one dimensional scoring SGs

talking about bouk? he can defend and score, kinda what you want from shooting guards : lol:

Mostly Bouk, to a lesser extent also Green,

Bouk can't really defend he just looks like he is because he's trying really hard but he's quite bad at it, random scrubs get by him all the time. He also doesn't pass or shoot well. I'm not a fan at all

I think its fair not to like him, but I think you have to group Green in that category as well. Green was a terrible defender in G-League and he is also going to measure out similar to Bouknight.

My read on the draft the past few years is that GMs after the next unicorn or jumbo creator probably regret passing on the elite 6'5 scoring guards.

Off the top of my head the following 6'5 guys were recently drafted way too late given how valuable they are now:

Jamal Murray (7) - Bender, Dunn, Hield taken before him.
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (11) - Carter Jr., Mo Bamba, Kevin Knox taken before him.
Tyler Herro (13) - Jaxson Hayes, Hachimura, PJ Washington taken before him.
Donovan Mitchell (13) - Josh Jackson, Zach Collins, Jonathan Isaac taken before him.
Devin Booker (13) - Trey Lyles, Justice Winslow, Frank Kaminsky taken before him.

Pass on Bouknight at your own peril.

[Indeed]

I actually think Jalen Johnson is ridiculously underrated. His ball handling and playmaking at his size are special

I agree. I can see freshman Keon Johnson being as good as Bouknight with an added year of development.

It's also easier to find a 6'5 player like Bouknight than a 6'9 player like Jalen Johnson.

Last year players that were remotely similar to JJ were:

Lamelo Ball 6'8
Patrick Williams 6'7
Deni Avdija 6'9

Those similar to Bouknight were:

Anthony Edwards 6'5
Kilian Hayes 6'5
Tyrese Haliburton 6'5
Devin Vassell 6'7
Josh Green 6'6
RJ Hampton 6'4

Style-wise not exactly similar but just based on the population distribution, SG is easy to fill.

Maybe he's got Devin Booker shot making but I don't think he makes his teammates better.

To be fair, I don't think his role on UCONN was to play pick and roll and distribute. Bouknight was there to carry the team and score. Guys like Book or Lavine took a couple years before they got used to being distributors, so I think you have to be fair with Bouknight.

I can see what you mean about size, but Bouknight is a prototypical shooting guard with upside to be a lead guard given his skills and the others you mentioned aren't quite that level. Why I rate him higher than Jalen Johnson is because of offense. The elite players in the game get to their spots and there is little teams can do to stop them. Bouknight is a combo of good vertical explosion, lateral speed and elite burst. In a more open NBA offense, there is not much preventing him from scoring.

It's hard to say Bouknight has played a lot of NBA talent, but I love this film that shows how Bouknight operates against Evan Mobley. He was not afraid to attack an elite shotblocker and he had good success.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Swish

By comparison, Johnson is pretty basic on offense. He actually reminds me a bit of James Johnson when he was at Wake Forest. Really good two-way player, but more of a 3rd option in the NBA. Curious where these guys end up in the draft.

I don't see those Johnson / Mitchell / Murray comparison. Lavine maybe a good comparison, and perhaps LeVert / SGA.
Not a physical type who will charge towards the defender for contact, but someone who will take jump shot or avoid contact. A bit of a fringle star, but able to get you points

Watch on YouTube

[tdotrep2]

talking about bouk? he can defend and score, kinda what you want from shooting guards : lol:

Mostly Bouk, to a lesser extent also Green,

Bouk can't really defend he just looks like he is because he's trying really hard but he's quite bad at it, random scrubs get by him all the time. He also doesn't pass or shoot well. I'm not a fan at all

I think its fair not to like him, but I think you have to group Green in that category as well. Green was a terrible defender in G-League and he is also going to measure out similar to Bouknight.

My read on the draft the past few years is that GMs after the next unicorn or jumbo creator probably regret passing on the elite 6'5 scoring guards.

Off the top of my head the following 6'5 guys were recently drafted way too late given how valuable they are now:

Jamal Murray (7) - Bender, Dunn, Hield taken before him.
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (11) - Carter Jr., Mo Bamba, Kevin Knox taken before him.
Tyler Herro (13) - Jaxson Hayes, Hachimura, PJ Washington taken before him.
Donovan Mitchell (13) - Josh Jackson, Zach Collins, Jonathan Isaac taken before him.
Devin Booker (13) - Trey Lyles, Justice Winslow, Frank Kaminsky taken before him.

Pass on Bouknight at your own peril.

yea, my head went to "we've seen this story before". people get infatuated with length and flashes when theres a kid with elite talent overlooked

[720]

Washington is so ass without Beal.

[Bruin]

And Detroit’s on a 2nd night of a back to back smh

[tecumseh18]

The league thought the play-in tournament would reduce tanking, but I suspect the flattened lottery odds just increase it.

We've got two more games against the Cavs and the Wizards. We have to lose those games - and every other game. This is not a time for half-measures. Let Gary and Baynes play, but once Bembry and PWJ return, shut down the other starters.

I actually attended the infamous season-ending Nets-Raps game, where Ben Uzoh got a triple double and Solomon Alabi got a 20-10. Nets played nobody who's been in the league before or since. Nets were doing everything to lose except shoot the ball in their own net (btw, great play, Aaron!). Raps simply weren't ready to befriend the horror and moral terror of what it takes to succeed in this league. But I sense Masai has more stomach for it than Colangelo did.

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[Psubs]

I’d pass on him reminds me of Aaron Gordon.

For me I think it goes

Cade
Green
Mobley
Suggs
Kuminga
Bouk

Oooh Aaron Gordon is a good comp. I think that's his floor / likely projection. Ceiling is a rich man's Aaron Gordon with more blocks and steals being 6'9 and potential to shoot better from 3. Just more defensive potential. Gordon's A/T are almost 2, that's great for a forward.

Big difference is that the knock on Gordon is his BBIQ and feel for the game, which are 2 of Johnson's strengths. I think at that size and athleticism, if youre a smart player, youre gonna be special

I think that Jalen Johson is like a mashup of Aaron Gordon and Jayson Tatum.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I agree. I can see freshman Keon Johnson being as good as Bouknight with an added year of development.

It's also easier to find a 6'5 player like Bouknight than a 6'9 player like Jalen Johnson.

Last year players that were remotely similar to JJ were:

Lamelo Ball 6'8
Patrick Williams 6'7
Deni Avdija 6'9

Those similar to Bouknight were:

Anthony Edwards 6'5
Kilian Hayes 6'5
Tyrese Haliburton 6'5
Devin Vassell 6'7
Josh Green 6'6
RJ Hampton 6'4

Style-wise not exactly similar but just based on the population distribution, SG is easy to fill.

Maybe he's got Devin Booker shot making but I don't think he makes his teammates better.

To be fair, I don't think his role on UCONN was to play pick and roll and distribute. Bouknight was there to carry the team and score. Guys like Book or Lavine took a couple years before they got used to being distributors, so I think you have to be fair with Bouknight.

I can see what you mean about size, but Bouknight is a prototypical shooting guard with upside to be a lead guard given his skills and the others you mentioned aren't quite that level. Why I rate him higher than Jalen Johnson is because of offense. The elite players in the game get to their spots and there is little teams can do to stop them. Bouknight is a combo of good vertical explosion, lateral speed and elite burst. In a more open NBA offense, there is not much preventing him from scoring.

It's hard to say Bouknight has played a lot of NBA talent, but I love this film that shows how Bouknight operates against Evan Mobley. He was not afraid to attack an elite shotblocker and he had good success.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Swish

By comparison, Johnson is pretty basic on offense. He actually reminds me a bit of James Johnson when he was at Wake Forest. Really good two-way player, but more of a 3rd option in the NBA. Curious where these guys end up in the draft.

I don't see those Johnson / Mitchell / Murray comparison. Lavine maybe a good comparison, and perhaps LeVert / SGA.
Not a physical type who will charge towards the defender for contact, but someone who will take jump shot or avoid contact. A bit of a fringle star, but able to get you points

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Bouknight doesn't play like Levert or SGA who are both essentially point guards in bigger guard bodies. Bouknight is a scorer first and foremost and is more in the mold of Alec Burks. Both guys like to take it to the rim, but are mediocre from long range.