NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21)

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Who be's the MVPs?

Giannis Antetokounmpo
59
10%
Steph Curry
49
9%
Luka Doncic
25
4%
Joel Embiid
37
6%
James Harden
37
6%
LeBron James
13
2%
Nikola Jokic
309
54%
Kawhi Leonard
5
1%
Damian Lillard
12
2%
Some other guy (tell us who!)
26
5%
 
Total votes: 572

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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#361 » by DCasey91 » Thu Apr 1, 2021 11:30 pm

ken6199 wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:Kyrie Irving Last 5 games played:

31/6/12
27/7/3
28/7/6
46/6/4
34/1/4

... To say Harden is carrying the Nets to a one seed is pretty farfetch’d.

Context matters


Kyrie's last 10 games:
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I absolutely have no problem with you listing Kyrie's contribution to counter Harden's case, just the fact that you conveniently missed Kyrie only played 6 out of the last 10 times (and Harden averages a league best 40 mpg), is a little suspicious.

If we want to hype a player, hype straight. If we want to bring down a player, also do it straight. Selective argument makes your point disingenuous.


Wait what? Might want to read through the MVP discussion again. Was one of the first to notice and praised Harden on this thread saying he had a chance for top 3 like two months ago it’s all there. Just pointing out that Harden has definitely had harder carrying jobs.

I mean 28/6/5 on basically 50/40/90 I don’t need to state much else. Harris as well is shooting layups from 3 too. He’s only played I think 6 without MVP/All nba type talent alongside him. Much harder when he was at the Rockets.

Jokic ain’t even got All star level talent next to him. (Murray can play like one put can’t string it together for more then 10 games
or so at a time then it’s back to inconsistency).

It isn’t just Solo Harden, that version was dropping beyond video game numbers back to back years at the Rockets.

I mean if Irving plays 50 or so games at that absurdly efficient statline as your 2nd option? Cmon.
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Post#362 » by TunaFish » Fri Apr 2, 2021 12:49 am

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Post#363 » by SeattleJazzFan » Fri Apr 2, 2021 1:45 am

Harden gets way too much credit for the nets success. That’s just a really good team. No Harden tonight against a hornets team playing great basketball and all they are doing is winning by 20+
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Post#364 » by picc » Fri Apr 2, 2021 1:45 am

Still Jokic tbh.
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Post#365 » by MoreyWins » Fri Apr 2, 2021 2:11 am

It's so weird how the teams with three best records in league seemingly have no shot at a player winning the MVP. You can go all the way down to the seven teams with the best record if you consider Lebron and Embiid's cases are shut. The media and fans need to get over their own personal gripes about postseason performances or how players forced their way out of non-contending teams after 8 games into a season.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#366 » by Optms » Fri Apr 2, 2021 2:50 am

SeattleJazzFan wrote:Harden gets way too much credit for the nets success. That’s just a really good team. No Harden tonight against a hornets team playing great basketball and all they are doing is winning by 20+


Hornets are not playing "Great" basketball. They are 5-5 in their last 10 games and have now dropped 2 out of their last 3 games. Their 1 win against a bad Wizards team. Talk about spinning the narrative.

The Nets are getting better with their new acquisitions but that doesn't undermine what Harden has done thus far. He is the clear cut MVP and has basically carried a new team with a rookie coach to an elite record by himself.

Jokic can't even get his loaded Nuggets team back into the top 3. If the Lakers weren't injured, they wouldn't even have a chance either.
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Post#367 » by NADALalot » Fri Apr 2, 2021 3:03 am

SeattleJazzFan wrote:Harden gets way too much credit for the nets success. That’s just a really good team. No Harden tonight against a hornets team playing great basketball and all they are doing is winning by 20+

But do you have to play "great" to beat Washington, Miami, Houston and San Antonio (San Antonio have lost 5 of their last 7, and only beat the Kings and Bulls). And of those wins, San Antonio is the only team with a better record than Charlotte. And during that stretch Charlotte lost to the only top notch opponent - Phoenix.
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Post#368 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 2, 2021 3:05 am

Joker has had a pretty pedestrian week by his standards. If Embiid comes back with a vengeance the race is back on. 25 games or not, this is the most wide open MVP race in a long time, and I don't think Embiid is out of it yet.
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Post#369 » by HMFFL » Fri Apr 2, 2021 3:24 am

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Nero79 wrote:MVP is about stats and then a record. Jokic has or had an exceptional PER stat but if it goes on like the last two games it will become non exceptional



Jokic not enough wins. Can’t win MVP
Jokic too many wins. Can’t win MVP

I swear the mental gymnastics people perform to discredit Jokic are hilarious.
Reggie Miller in the LAC and Denver game tonight while discuss Jokic had an odd tone to his voice when be said, "well Jokic hasn't missed a game so that does help"

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Post#370 » by MindState » Fri Apr 2, 2021 3:56 am

I have a feeling media will give it to LeBron no matter what.
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Post#371 » by Bologna Smasher » Fri Apr 2, 2021 4:01 am

eyeatoma wrote:Joker has had a pretty pedestrian week by his standards. If Embiid comes back with a vengeance the race is back on. 25 games or not, this is the most wide open MVP race in a long time, and I don't think Embiid is out of it yet.


Jokic is the guy I want to see win it, but Embiid is my second pick. If he didn't get hurt and miss games, he'd be my pick for it at the moment. I just want to see a center win it. There hasn't been a center that has won it since Shaq 20 years ago.
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Post#372 » by NADALalot » Fri Apr 2, 2021 4:06 am

MindState wrote:I have a feeling media will give it to LeBron no matter what.

I think he'll miss too many games.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#373 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 2, 2021 4:10 am

Bologna Smasher wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Joker has had a pretty pedestrian week by his standards. If Embiid comes back with a vengeance the race is back on. 25 games or not, this is the most wide open MVP race in a long time, and I don't think Embiid is out of it yet.


Jokic is the guy I want to see win it, but Embiid is my second pick. If he didn't get hurt and miss games, he'd be my pick for it at the moment. I just want to see a center win it. There hasn't been a center that has won it since Shaq 20 years ago.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#374 » by DCasey91 » Fri Apr 2, 2021 4:31 am

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SeattleJazzFan wrote:Harden gets way too much credit for the nets success. That’s just a really good team. No Harden tonight against a hornets team playing great basketball and all they are doing is winning by 20+


Hornets are not playing "Great" basketball. They are 5-5 in their last 10 games and have now dropped 2 out of their last 3 games. Their 1 win against a bad Wizards team. Talk about spinning the narrative.

The Nets are getting better with their new acquisitions but that doesn't undermine what Harden has done thus far. He is the clear cut MVP and has basically carried a new team with a rookie coach to an elite record by himself.

Jokic can't even get his loaded Nuggets team back into the top 3. If the Lakers weren't injured, they wouldn't even have a chance either.


Clear cut now? His second option (Irving) has superb 1st option numbers. Bucks are the same, Giannis sat out (whose been so so last 5 games) and crapped on the Pacers. Carried? Not even close compared to his years at the Rockets.

Loaded Nuggets? Where’s the other All star?
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Post#375 » by Jurassic_Park » Fri Apr 2, 2021 4:32 am

Denver tied for 4th in the west now. And tied with clippers in the loss column for 3rd. Big home stretch coming up.
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Post#376 » by dygaction » Fri Apr 2, 2021 4:34 am

Jurassic_Park wrote:Denver tied for 4th in the west now. And tied with clippers in the loss column for 3rd. Big home stretch coming up.


One less of those excuses for not giving Joker the MVP.
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Post#377 » by dygaction » Fri Apr 2, 2021 4:37 am

Optms wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:Harden gets way too much credit for the nets success. That’s just a really good team. No Harden tonight against a hornets team playing great basketball and all they are doing is winning by 20+


Hornets are not playing "Great" basketball. They are 5-5 in their last 10 games and have now dropped 2 out of their last 3 games. Their 1 win against a bad Wizards team. Talk about spinning the narrative.

The Nets are getting better with their new acquisitions but that doesn't undermine what Harden has done thus far. He is the clear cut MVP and has basically carried a new team with a rookie coach to an elite record by himself.

Jokic can't even get his loaded Nuggets team back into the top 3. If the Lakers weren't injured, they wouldn't even have a chance either.


Depending on how you want to spin/sell it. You can also say Nash deserves Coach of the Year as he turned a selfish Harden to assist leader and team player.
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Post#378 » by Infinite Llamas » Fri Apr 2, 2021 4:38 am

Just sad that we won’t get a chance to see Jokic vs Embiid this year. Always a great duel that would have such big ramifications this year.
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Post#379 » by GSP » Fri Apr 2, 2021 4:40 am

Denver is gonna get the 3rd seed very soon.... Phoenix has a rough last 16 games too. 12/16 on the road including a brutal road trip

@ Milwaukee, @ Philly prolly w/ Joel, b2b @ Boston, @ Brooklyn, b2b @ Ny. 5 games in 8 days

and what meets them when they return home is the Clips then the Jazz.... not inconceivable Denver snatches the 2 seed. Utah is locked at 1

last 7 games of the season all against teams that might be looking to try for seedings and playing harder than usual w/ Atlanta, Ny, La, Gs, Portland, b2b Sa and all but 2 of those games are on the road.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#380 » by Optms » Fri Apr 2, 2021 4:44 am

DCasey91 wrote:
Optms wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:Harden gets way too much credit for the nets success. That’s just a really good team. No Harden tonight against a hornets team playing great basketball and all they are doing is winning by 20+


Hornets are not playing "Great" basketball. They are 5-5 in their last 10 games and have now dropped 2 out of their last 3 games. Their 1 win against a bad Wizards team. Talk about spinning the narrative.

The Nets are getting better with their new acquisitions but that doesn't undermine what Harden has done thus far. He is the clear cut MVP and has basically carried a new team with a rookie coach to an elite record by himself.

Jokic can't even get his loaded Nuggets team back into the top 3. If the Lakers weren't injured, they wouldn't even have a chance either.


Clear cut now? His second option (Irving) has superb 1st option numbers. Bucks are the same, Giannis sat out (whose been so so last 5 games) and crapped on the Pacers. Carried? Not even close compared to his years at the Rockets.

Loaded Nuggets? Where’s the other All star?


Irving is just a flashy guy that puts up numbers but has never once led a team anywhere. He is just a shiny cog in the wheel being operated by Harden.

The Nuggets aren't loaded with All-stars but they have a much better system of players than BK (outside of KD who hasn't even played anyway) and with infinitely better coaching. The players that they do have possess All-star talent anyway, ie Murray and Porter JR. Harden doing what he is doing coming in out of shape and having no clue about BK's system or familiarity with its players is not going unnoticed. He is performing even better than last year given the circumstances. The Nets were not built for him but he's come in and allowed his talents to shine anyway.

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