NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21)

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Who be's the MVPs?

Giannis Antetokounmpo
59
10%
Steph Curry
49
9%
Luka Doncic
25
4%
Joel Embiid
37
6%
James Harden
37
6%
LeBron James
13
2%
Nikola Jokic
309
54%
Kawhi Leonard
5
1%
Damian Lillard
12
2%
Some other guy (tell us who!)
26
5%
 
Total votes: 572

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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#381 » by DCasey91 » Fri Apr 2, 2021 4:50 am

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Hornets are not playing "Great" basketball. They are 5-5 in their last 10 games and have now dropped 2 out of their last 3 games. Their 1 win against a bad Wizards team. Talk about spinning the narrative.

The Nets are getting better with their new acquisitions but that doesn't undermine what Harden has done thus far. He is the clear cut MVP and has basically carried a new team with a rookie coach to an elite record by himself.

Jokic can't even get his loaded Nuggets team back into the top 3. If the Lakers weren't injured, they wouldn't even have a chance either.


Clear cut now? His second option (Irving) has superb 1st option numbers. Bucks are the same, Giannis sat out (whose been so so last 5 games) and crapped on the Pacers. Carried? Not even close compared to his years at the Rockets.

Loaded Nuggets? Where’s the other All star?


Irving is just a flashy guy that puts up numbers but has never once led a team anywhere. He is just a shiny cog in the wheel being operated by Harden.

The Nuggets aren't loaded with All-stars but they have a much better system of players than BK (outside of KD who hasn't even played anyway) and with infinitely better coaching. The players that they do have possess All-star talent anyway, ie Murray and Porter JR. Harden doing what he is doing coming in out of shape and having no clue about BK's system or familiarity with its players is not going unnoticed. He is performing even better than last year.



I’m all for a fair discussion and personal subjectivity is always apart of it. But once it becomes bias nigh on just untrue statements I can’t take what your saying seriously at all.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#382 » by dygaction » Fri Apr 2, 2021 5:15 am

Optms wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
Optms wrote:
Hornets are not playing "Great" basketball. They are 5-5 in their last 10 games and have now dropped 2 out of their last 3 games. Their 1 win against a bad Wizards team. Talk about spinning the narrative.

The Nets are getting better with their new acquisitions but that doesn't undermine what Harden has done thus far. He is the clear cut MVP and has basically carried a new team with a rookie coach to an elite record by himself.

Jokic can't even get his loaded Nuggets team back into the top 3. If the Lakers weren't injured, they wouldn't even have a chance either.


Clear cut now? His second option (Irving) has superb 1st option numbers. Bucks are the same, Giannis sat out (whose been so so last 5 games) and crapped on the Pacers. Carried? Not even close compared to his years at the Rockets.

Loaded Nuggets? Where’s the other All star?


Irving is just a flashy guy that puts up numbers but has never once led a team anywhere. He is just a shiny cog in the wheel being operated by Harden.

The Nuggets aren't loaded with All-stars but they have a much better system of players than BK (outside of KD who hasn't even played anyway) and with infinitely better coaching. The players that they do have possess All-star talent anyway, ie Murray and Porter JR. Harden doing what he is doing coming in out of shape and having no clue about BK's system or familiarity with its players is not going unnoticed. He is performing even better than last year given the circumstances. The Nets were not built for him but he's come in and allowed his talents to shine anyway.


Yes, Harden deserved to be in the race but he needs to be consistently good at current level and Joker to drop intensity at the same time to make up his drama stint in Houston at the season start.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#383 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 2, 2021 5:42 am

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Jurassic_Park wrote:Denver tied for 4th in the west now. And tied with clippers in the loss column for 3rd. Big home stretch coming up.


One less of those excuses for not giving Joker the MVP.
Except for his dip in numbers the last week.

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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#384 » by dygaction » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:16 am

eyeatoma wrote:
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Jurassic_Park wrote:Denver tied for 4th in the west now. And tied with clippers in the loss column for 3rd. Big home stretch coming up.


One less of those excuses for not giving Joker the MVP.
Except for his dip in numbers the last week.

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His cushion is big enough for the numbers to tank a little as long as the team is winning.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#385 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:21 am

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eyeatoma wrote:
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One less of those excuses for not giving Joker the MVP.
Except for his dip in numbers the last week.

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His cushion is big enough for the numbers to tank a little as long as the team is winning.
Not sure I agree. If Embiid comes back with a vengeance it's wide open.

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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#386 » by Manimal » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:23 am

The most MVP quality about Jokic is that he doesn't give two **** **** about winning the MVP award. Dude is solely focused on winning and making his teammates better, never individual stats.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#387 » by Dutchball97 » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:25 am

eyeatoma wrote:
dygaction wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Except for his dip in numbers the last week.

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His cushion is big enough for the numbers to tank a little as long as the team is winning.
Not sure I agree. If Embiid comes back with a vengeance it's wide open.

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Based on what? Embiid has missed a lot of time already and hasn't played better than Jokic in the first place.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#388 » by dygaction » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:31 am

eyeatoma wrote:
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eyeatoma wrote:Except for his dip in numbers the last week.

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His cushion is big enough for the numbers to tank a little as long as the team is winning.
Not sure I agree. If Embiid comes back with a vengeance it's wide open.

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He could. Embiid is as good statistically, and can compete again if he comes back strong. His missing games and team winning without him are not going to go unnoticed though.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#389 » by dygaction » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:35 am

Another thing going Jokic's way is his strong portability. No one can replace him in the Nuggets to get the same or better results, but you can switch him with any player for any team and that time likely won't get worse.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#390 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:39 am

Dutchball97 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
dygaction wrote:
His cushion is big enough for the numbers to tank a little as long as the team is winning.
Not sure I agree. If Embiid comes back with a vengeance it's wide open.

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Based on what? Embiid has missed a lot of time already and
hasn't played better than Jokic in the first place.


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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#391 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:40 am

dygaction wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
dygaction wrote:
His cushion is big enough for the numbers to tank a little as long as the team is winning.
Not sure I agree. If Embiid comes back with a vengeance it's wide open.

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He could. Embiid is as good statistically, and can compete again if he comes back strong. His missing games and team winning without him are not going to go unnoticed though.


Agreed. He'll have to go HAM the rest of the way to put up a fight. The missed games plays a big part. But a lot of players are fading right now. Lillard had a lull. Jokic, had one this week (although his team is performing better). Harden I disagree on winning at all after the **** he pulled to start the season. Giannis might have a shot, but voter fatigue is real. As I said, this is still wide open.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#392 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:41 am

dygaction wrote:Another thing going Jokic's way is his strong portability. No one can replace him in the Nuggets to get the same or better results, but you can switch him with any player for any team and that time likely won't get worse.


You can basically say the same thing about every MVP candidate.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#393 » by Sgt Major » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:58 am

When the Nuggets win, it's everyone else stepping up and Jokic not being at MVP level.
When they lose, it's Jokic not being a leader.

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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#394 » by dygaction » Fri Apr 2, 2021 7:13 am

eyeatoma wrote:
dygaction wrote:Another thing going Jokic's way is his strong portability. No one can replace him in the Nuggets to get the same or better results, but you can switch him with any player for any team and that time likely won't get worse.


You can basically say the same thing about every MVP candidate.


Not really. You switch Jokic and Embiid, Nuggets become worth and 76ers win more. You switch Jokic and Kawhi, Nuggets become worth and Clippers win more. Don't want to argue post seasons, talking about regular seasons and MVP here.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#395 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 2, 2021 7:13 am

Sgt Major wrote:When the Nuggets win, it's everyone else stepping up and Jokic not being at MVP level.
When they lose, it's Jokic not being a leader.

Ridiculous takes.
Are you telling me Joker has been at his best this week? Today?

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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#396 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 2, 2021 7:14 am

dygaction wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
dygaction wrote:Another thing going Jokic's way is his strong portability. No one can replace him in the Nuggets to get the same or better results, but you can switch him with any player for any team and that time likely won't get worse.


You can basically say the same thing about every MVP candidate.


Not really. You switch Jokic and Embiid, Nuggets become worth and 76ers win more. You switch Jokic and Kawhi, Nuggets become worth and Clippers win more. Don't want to argue post seasons, talking about regular seasons and MVP here.
Disagree. Embiids elite defense would propel the Nuggets. Not sure about Philly, their defense would suffer.

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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#397 » by dygaction » Fri Apr 2, 2021 7:16 am

Sgt Major wrote:When the Nuggets win, it's everyone else stepping up and Jokic not being at MVP level.
When they lose, it's Jokic not being a leader.

Ridiculous takes.


I think it is Jokic wagon slow down to flirt with haters :lol: First you say i don't win, second you say my stats are not good, now you are going to see best player on best team joker.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#398 » by dygaction » Fri Apr 2, 2021 7:17 am

eyeatoma wrote:
dygaction wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
You can basically say the same thing about every MVP candidate.


Not really. You switch Jokic and Embiid, Nuggets become worth and 76ers win more. You switch Jokic and Kawhi, Nuggets become worth and Clippers win more. Don't want to argue post seasons, talking about regular seasons and MVP here.
Disagree. Embiids elite defense would propel the Nuggets. Not sure about Philly, their defense would suffer.

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Who is going to playmake for the Nuggets? Their whole offense is based on Jokic the hub.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#399 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 2, 2021 7:23 am

dygaction wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
dygaction wrote:
Not really. You switch Jokic and Embiid, Nuggets become worth and 76ers win more. You switch Jokic and Kawhi, Nuggets become worth and Clippers win more. Don't want to argue post seasons, talking about regular seasons and MVP here.
Disagree. Embiids elite defense would propel the Nuggets. Not sure about Philly, their defense would suffer.

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Who is going to playmake for the Nuggets? Their whole offense is based on Jokic the hub.
You get a point guard or have Murray. Offense can run through Embiid from the post. Nuggets have shooters so it would be fine.

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Re: NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21) 

Post#400 » by dygaction » Fri Apr 2, 2021 7:27 am

eyeatoma wrote:
dygaction wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Disagree. Embiids elite defense would propel the Nuggets. Not sure about Philly, their defense would suffer.

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Who is going to playmake for the Nuggets? Their whole offense is based on Jokic the hub.
You get a point guard or have Murray. Offense can run through Embiid from the post. Nuggets have shooters so it would be fine.

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Talking about portability to fit in the same team so no new point guard. Murray can make some amazing highlight worthy passes from time to time but your team is doomed if he is expected to run the show.

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