Knicks Mavs PG: The friends along the way

[F N 11]

I see people in here don’t agree with Thibs playing IQ and Rose more. Using this terrible game to say it’s not the best option because it didn’t work this time. Y’all funny as hell and play right into Thibs hand.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Randle had 11 assists despite a poor shooting night

He dominated the ball to comical proportions, he took 20 shots in a game where we had 89 shots as a team and 18 assists as a team. Ball movement dies once he gets the ball and he does his bootleg Russell Westbrook impersonation.

[Gravy]

He must have caused them to miss shots while he was on the bench, or poisoned their food. We can think of something!

They say Thibs makes no adjustments and that Quickley simply helps by being out there, but it sure didn’t seem like it.

In typical Knicks and Thibs fashion. The one game he does the right thing it’s too late lol.

IQ had many good 4th quarters in the first half of the season. Maybe its a rookie wall? His floater looks bad too.

[KnixtapeH20]

didn't we beat them twice last year?

what changed?

The entire team is completely gassed. Randle and RJ specifically.

Thibs is just a nutcase. Really starting to dislike his asinine roster decisions and minutes useage


Obi was having a good game and u can't let him continue his good vibes and let Randle REST. The kid was actually contributing and the fans were going nuts. It wasn't just a feel good story he was playing well.... So much for going with the hot hand right... Yea ok

[Spree2Houston]

We caught teams off guard early in the season with our balls to the wall effort. Then we played some really bad teams. Then we had extraordinary luck with opposing teams missing their best players. Now we’re out of gas from playing so hard early on, teams take us seriously, and no more key injuries with the opposition. We’re going to tank down the standings. You can’t even get mad. We really only have 2 and half good players and we somehow managed to be a 4th seed at one point. Get some talent in this draft and we’ll be a playoff team next year.

[3toheadmelo]

Randle had 11 assists despite a poor shooting night

He dominated the ball to comical proportions, he took 20 shots in a game where we had 89 shots as a team and 18 assists as a team. Ball movement dies once he gets the ball and he does his bootleg Russell Westbrook impersonation.

He dominated the ball because he’s the only one who can create his own shot on the team. Shot wasn’t falling tonight though. Get him some help

[digitaldropoff]

The Knicks still need a #1 option. Randle is a decent 2nd option. RJ might be a third or 4th option. I don’t know how we’re gonna get that guy

It's a good question.

Probably the most important one.

I see 5 scenarios to be honest:

1. Knicks make the playoffs, Clippers are a mess, and Kawhi signs this summer
2. Zion signs as a free agent in 2025 or 2026 via player option
3. Knicks miss the playoffs, finally get some lottery luck and draft Cade or Suggs (or whomever)
4. Knicks package their assets and trade for Lavine, and he reaches yet another level
5. Knicks trade Randle to the Warriors or Timberwolves for a top 4 pick.

I don't know if there's any other avenue tbh.

1. Lol
2. Yeah I’m sure Zion is watching this and thinking damn I wish I could lead the league in minutes and have a career ending injury
3. Lol
4. The bulls are making win now moves, they just traded 2 firsts for Vucevic, they aren’t trading lavine for picks
5. Whoever they take top 4 Thibs will just DNP them or play them 10 mins a game and our scouts suck

Thibs isn’t here to develop. if we win the lottery they’ll probably try to package that lotto pick with other picks to trade for an established star. Idk who though.

The MN or GS trade isn't likely either. MN loses it's pick to GS if it lands outside top three, and both teams need the pick for both talent and cap reasons. Randle plus Barrett would be a hard sell to move considering Randle is only under ink for one more year and he'll think he needs to be maxed. Hard to move a lotto pick for a guy that can bounce the next year. If GS gets the pick, I think they keep as well, if they plan on paying Curry 50 million a year, you simply have to have more talent on lesser deals. This draft looks like one of the best we've seen in over a decade....I think Randle will have to be a S&T when the time comes, but right now, his value doesn't equal a lotto pick.

[KnixtapeH20]

Randle's starting to revert to 2020 Randle

No hes not stop with the bs..He doesn't have any help.

He's trying to be a leader and get guys going, get a shot when we need one. He's **** exhausted my **** what do u want from this guy? He had 11 assists.

Get him a **** pg and shooters

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We're dead last in assist ratio, dead last in assist percentage and 28th ORTG since the ASB, and that was before tonight's game

Our offense has gotten worse since the break.

[KnixtapeH20]

Did Payton start?

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Lmfao

[moocow007]

Randle's starting to revert to 2020 Randle

No hes not stop with the bs..He doesn't have any help.

He's trying to be a leader and get guys going, get a shot when we need one. He's **** exhausted my **** what do u want from this guy? He had 11 assists.

Get him a **** pg and shooters

Yeah don't listen to me guys mentioning "bad Randle" (on this board or on the podcasts). It's just an analogy I'm using to get folks riled up (clickbait). Randle is just gassed...and still hurting. You can tell as there were moments where he was hobbling. His shots were more slingshot than normal and that's a sign of no legs.

[moocow007]

Randle had 11 assists despite a poor shooting night

He dominated the ball to comical proportions, he took 20 shots in a game where we had 89 shots as a team and 18 assists as a team. Ball movement dies once he gets the ball and he does his bootleg Russell Westbrook impersonation.

He dominated the ball because he’s the only one who can create his own shot on the team. Shot wasn’t falling tonight though. Get him some help

Yeah agreed.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Randle's starting to revert to 2020 Randle

No hes not stop with the bs..He doesn't have any help.

He's trying to be a leader and get guys going, get a shot when we need one. He's **** exhausted my **** what do u want from this guy? He had 11 assists.

Get him a **** pg and shooters

Get him a PG and shooters? No thanks.


Randle is ball dominant and stops ball movement dead in it's tracks, pointing out that he had 11 assists is pointless, he's not running a solid offense. He's getting assists the same way Westbrook does, there's no ball movement or hockey assists that come off his passes, it's mostly a kickout to a shooter who has to shoot it because he's burned clock isoing.

If he's exhausted maybe he shouldn't shoot 20 times? How about come up off the ball and space the floor? Nah, gotta get those step backs in.

[K_ick_God]

Randle’s bad D is covered up by Mitch. That’s worth a lot.

[moocow007]

They say Thibs makes no adjustments and that Quickley simply helps by being out there, but it sure didn’t seem like it.

Rose was 1-10, Quickley was 2-9, that's not going to get it done.

But the spacing. How was the spacing?

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The spacing was about the same as in most games where those guys didn't shoot that. The Knicks as a collective (other than Burks and whatever handful of minutes from Obi) were just flat offensively. Nothing was going in. Yes, they didn't pass the ball as much as they should but they don't do that normally anyways in abundance. It's very likely a sign of fatigue.

I've said before that the Knicks have to expend a lot of energy on both ends of the floor. They are a great defensive team but they don't have a lot of great defensive players. That means that each player has to try harder as they are needed to do something that they are not naturally good at. On offense, because they lack anyone that can create easy shots for others and/or that can breakdown and draw opposing defenses to give shooters open looks, they also have to spend a lot more energy to get their points.

At some point that's going to catch up. Hopefully that point isn't now.

[Worst_to_First]

Now you truly appreciate my art when you see it from my perspective.

I still don't appreciate Wiseman no matter how hard I try to see it from your perspective

Spoiler:

I know my Lamelo takes will haunt me forever

I’ll admit wiseman has been a bit underwhelming this year. He seems more of a project than I expected. Won’t be until like his 3rd year or so we’ll see if he’s good or not

I expected Wiseman to be better from a mental standpoint and now I don’t think he is going to be able to withstand whatever shortfall the Warriors are doing to him in terms of his development. As I said earlier if Wiseman ends up being a disappointment that is karma for the Warriors.

Wiseman sadly maybe on that KAT mold wherein he won’t be successful (at least from a stats perspective) unless he is on a team that coddles him.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Randle had 11 assists despite a poor shooting night

He dominated the ball to comical proportions, he took 20 shots in a game where we had 89 shots as a team and 18 assists as a team. Ball movement dies once he gets the ball and he does his bootleg Russell Westbrook impersonation.

He dominated the ball because he’s the only one who can create his own shot on the team. Shot wasn’t falling tonight though. Get him some help

He dominates the ball regardless of what others do.

Nah, we should use him to get our team more help, this is Russell Westbrook on the Thunder without KD, he never had help cause nobody else could get the ball enough to get in a rhythm. He had Sabonis and Oladipo, everyone said he had no help, those guys left and could suddenly score when he's not around.

Tired of the Randle Iso, Randle post up and Randle step back.

[NewKnicks]

Should have traded Randle and sold high when we had the chance.

[moocow007]

Randle’s bad D is covered up by Mitch. That’s worth a lot.

Yeah. And I've mentioned that Noel's D is not of the same impact with respect to making up for Randle as Mitch's D would. Noel is not a guy that is going to deter opposing players from driving to the basket. He doesn't have the strength or physicality to do that. If you watch him he doesn't spend a lot of time in the paint compared to traditional C's. Rather than making opposing players think twice about driving he tries to block the shot from the weakside when they are already in the lane. Sure he may be able to block a couple of those drives a game but you don't put pressure on the opposing team to think twice about even trying, which Mitch does. Net result in the opposing offense flows more to it's natural cadence which is not what you want.

[knickstape4ever]

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0-3 without Woodson

what if he was the biggest reason for our winning? he's not, but the record w/ and w/o Woodson over the last decade is probably startling....