Knicks Mavs PG: The friends along the way

[Deeeez Knicks]

So they're going to trade 2 #1's to get Vuc, then turn around and trade Lavine to get those #1s back? And then what? Build around Vuc?

The only way they would trade him is if he gets fed up with the losing and demanded a trade. But even then, because of the direction they have chosen, I'd think they would try to get another star back or a somewhat proven young player(s), instead of draft picks

he expires after next year. if he says he won't re-sign they have no choice but to trade him.

Yea, he can choose where he wants to play. Whether it's the Knicks is a different story

[3toheadmelo]

Lavine might ask out if the bulls keep losing

[TheGreenArrow]

The Knicks still need a #1 option. Randle is a decent 2nd option. RJ might be a third or 4th option. I don’t know how we’re gonna get that guy

It's a good question.

Probably the most important one.

I see 5 scenarios to be honest:

1. Knicks make the playoffs, Clippers are a mess, and Kawhi signs this summer
2. Zion signs as a free agent in 2025 or 2026 via player option
3. Knicks miss the playoffs, finally get some lottery luck and draft Cade or Suggs (or whomever)
4. Knicks package their assets and trade for Lavine, and he reaches yet another level
5. Knicks trade Randle to the Warriors or Timberwolves for a top 4 pick.

I don't know if there's any other avenue tbh.

Option 6:

CAA's finest come available this summer and Leon desperately tries to pawn them off to the media as legit #1 superstars.

The Randle-Towns frontcourt will rival Melo-Amar'e for most terrible fit fake-superstar frontcourt in Knicks history.

I’d trade Randle for towns!!

If we add Randle there will be less picks we’d have to trade!!!

[god shammgod]

The only way they would trade him is if he gets fed up with the losing and demanded a trade. But even then, because of the direction they have chosen, I'd think they would try to get another star back or a somewhat proven young player(s), instead of draft picks

he expires after next year. if he says he won't re-sign they have no choice but to trade him.

Yea, he can choose where he wants to play. Whether it's the Knicks is a different story

yep. and that's what i said, i don't know that we'll get him.

[3toheadmelo]

It's a good question.

Probably the most important one.

I see 5 scenarios to be honest:

1. Knicks make the playoffs, Clippers are a mess, and Kawhi signs this summer
2. Zion signs as a free agent in 2025 or 2026 via player option
3. Knicks miss the playoffs, finally get some lottery luck and draft Cade or Suggs (or whomever)
4. Knicks package their assets and trade for Lavine, and he reaches yet another level
5. Knicks trade Randle to the Warriors or Timberwolves for a top 4 pick.

I don't know if there's any other avenue tbh.

Option 6:

CAA's finest come available this summer and Leon desperately tries to pawn them off to the media as legit #1 superstars.

The Randle-Towns frontcourt will rival Melo-Amar'e for most terrible fit fake-superstar frontcourt in Knicks history.

I’d trade Randle for towns!!

If we add Randle there will be less picks we’d have to trade!!!

No

[3toheadmelo]

I’ll never get the fascination with KAT. He has the impact of bargnani

[TheGreenArrow]

The Knicks still need a #1 option. Randle is a decent 2nd option. RJ might be a third or 4th option. I don’t know how we’re gonna get that guy

It's a good question.

Probably the most important one.

I see 5 scenarios to be honest:

1. Knicks make the playoffs, Clippers are a mess, and Kawhi signs this summer
2. Zion signs as a free agent in 2025 or 2026 via player option
3. Knicks miss the playoffs, finally get some lottery luck and draft Cade or Suggs (or whomever)
4. Knicks package their assets and trade for Lavine, and he reaches yet another level
5. Knicks trade Randle to the Warriors or Timberwolves for a top 4 pick.

I don't know if there's any other avenue tbh.

#4 seems like the only realistic path

Jalen green territory??!!!

I’d trade any player on our roster for him honestly!!!!

[Jalen Bluntson]

Thibs minutes/rotations are garbage. Whatever this offense is....garbage. He never even tries to find out if something different may work. Like putting a real defender on Luka or whatever other adjustment you can think of. He just runs his short list vet led rotations out there for 40 or 10 minutes per game. No matter what is happening on the court. Boring team to watch as they have become so predictable. Blowing leads...losing close games...players looking exhausted every night. Thibs needs to expand the rotations and be more creative.

[TheGreenArrow]

Option 6:

CAA's finest come available this summer and Leon desperately tries to pawn them off to the media as legit #1 superstars.

The Randle-Towns frontcourt will rival Melo-Amar'e for most terrible fit fake-superstar frontcourt in Knicks history.

I’d trade Randle for towns!!

If we add Randle there will be less picks we’d have to trade!!!

No

If we could trade both Dallas picks an our pick this year with frank knox Obi or Mitch I’d do that and run!!!!

Knicks bias aside towns is the better player!!!!!

[TwitterFingers]

Orlando was smart. They traded vooch for 2 picks and now they’re a prime target to get a great pick. Leon instead of selling traded a draft asset for DRose. This team continues to be stupid.

"Draft asset" was a pick that will be about 42 in this draft.

You think the Knicks are going to draft 4 players into the team next year?

It was a solid move.

Then the Knicks traded the result of the last time they picked around 42nd (Iggy) and also who give a **** about Rivers, and got back "a draft asset", only it's probably around 56th.

Trading that 42nd-ish pick for DRose, who was helpful before he turned into Always Injured Again D Rose, was a solid move.

I mean, the team still sucks anyway, but that was a decent use of an asset.

The Knicks could have drafted 4 players. They could have consolidated their picks to move up in the draft. Of course they gave up an asset for Rose, who is second worst in inefficiency on team (after Elf) and the worst perimeter defender on the team. I would like to hear your rationale as to why it was a solid move.

[robillionaire]

Orlando was smart. They traded vooch for 2 picks and now they’re a prime target to get a great pick. Leon instead of selling traded a draft asset for DRose. This team continues to be stupid.

"Draft asset" was a pick that will be about 42 in this draft.

You think the Knicks are going to draft 4 players into the team next year?

It was a solid move.

Then the Knicks traded the result of the last time they picked around 42nd (Iggy) and also who give a **** about Rivers, and got back "a draft asset", only it's probably around 56th.

Trading that 42nd-ish pick for DRose, who was helpful before he turned into Always Injured Again D Rose, was a solid move.

I mean, the team still sucks anyway, but that was a decent use of an asset.

The Knicks could have drafted 4 players. They could have consolidated their picks to move up in the draft. Of course they gave up an asset for Rose, who is second worst in inefficiency on team (after Elf) and the worst perimeter defender on the team. I would like to hear your rationale as to why it was a solid move.

we still can draft 4 players. (15, 21, 33, 57) we got another 2nd rounder back in that brazdeikis trade and we still can consolidate picks to move up in the draft. rose isn't great but it was a cheap acquisition

[TwitterFingers]

"Draft asset" was a pick that will be about 42 in this draft.

You think the Knicks are going to draft 4 players into the team next year?

It was a solid move.

Then the Knicks traded the result of the last time they picked around 42nd (Iggy) and also who give a **** about Rivers, and got back "a draft asset", only it's probably around 56th.

Trading that 42nd-ish pick for DRose, who was helpful before he turned into Always Injured Again D Rose, was a solid move.

I mean, the team still sucks anyway, but that was a decent use of an asset.

The Knicks could have drafted 4 players. They could have consolidated their picks to move up in the draft. Of course they gave up an asset for Rose, who is second worst in inefficiency on team (after Elf) and the worst perimeter defender on the team. I would like to hear your rationale as to why it was a solid move.

we still can draft 4 players. (15, 21, 33, 57) we got another 2nd rounder back in that brazdeikis trade and we still can consolidate picks to move up in the draft. rose isn't great but it was a cheap acquisition

I don’t think it’s the end all be all, but it wasn’t a trade I liked. Leon has to say no to Thibs in that situation. Personally I believe Rose is subtraction by addition and it’s always a good thing to have as many picks as you can.

[rajajackal]

rose's covid case derailed the season a bit. mitch being out hasn't helped. we took those licks admirably at first, but we're buckling now. time to say **** it and sign lance stephenson a la the initial JR signing

[DaGawd]

Lance Stephenson’s irrational confidence would be good to rub off on Barrett

[Phish Tank]

Some longer thoughts:

1) Elfrid Payton wasn't this bad for us last year. He wasn't good, but he wasn't timid either. This year, he's almost playing like a combo of DSJ/Frank on offense. Way too deferential to Randle or just irrational exuberance leading to bad shots. I think centering the offense around Randle has helped the team to this point, but it's come at the detriment of poor ball movement. This is after consideration that we have the lowest pace in the league (we were bottom 5 last year too). I think Thibs has to find a balance between circling the offense around Randle and also letting Payton run the show a bit. Payton's useless as an off-ball and secondary ball handler.

2) Additionally, we must bring the P&R and P&P back into this offense. It's really killing us, especially in times when our offense is in a rut. Use Obi as a roll man - Thibs needs to get over this stubborness as well. This may also help Payton get out of a rut too.

3) Randle can't shoot 5-20 even if he's hobbling. Some of the shots he took were just terrible. It's basically like committing 10 turnovers with those missed shots. Same with RJ. Both need to have high aspirations of shooting at least 50% in game and 80% from the FT line and be disappointed with anything else.

4) Knicks are too lazy with off-ball movement in general.

5) IQ needs to play more like a PG and stop trying to draw fouls out there. Otherwise, he's effectively a net 0 on both ends of the floor.

6) D-Rose has a combo of no legs + suspect decision making with his layup attempts. He likes to try these acrobatic attempts for no reason - and always misses

7) Thibs must figure out how to beat the zone - FAST

[Jay10]

I’ll never get the fascination with KAT. He has the impact of bargnani

There are some Knicks fans that want him on the team simply for no other reason than him being from New Jersey and his dad being a Knicks fan.

[Chanel Bomber]

It's a good question.

Probably the most important one.

I see 5 scenarios to be honest:

1. Knicks make the playoffs, Clippers are a mess, and Kawhi signs this summer
2. Zion signs as a free agent in 2025 or 2026 via player option
3. Knicks miss the playoffs, finally get some lottery luck and draft Cade or Suggs (or whomever)
4. Knicks package their assets and trade for Lavine, and he reaches yet another level
5. Knicks trade Randle to the Warriors or Timberwolves for a top 4 pick.

I don't know if there's any other avenue tbh.

#4 seems like the only realistic path

Bulls just traded for Vucevic. Lavine is going nowhere. Scratch off #4.

Bulls traded for Vuc but that doesn't necessarily make them better. Perhaps a little, but not much if at all. Not to the point where Lavine is not gonna look at all his options.

[Reign23]

I’ll never get the fascination with KAT. He has the impact of bargnani

There are some Knicks fans that want him on the team simply for no other reason than him being from New Jersey and his dad being a Knicks fan.

KAT is in a bad situation for years now. I know his D is not good, but I think that would change in a different scenery. And even if its just average, his offense and rebounding are so great, he could AT LEAST be the 2nd option on a contender.
Even on a **** team, while suffering from covid and injuries he is putting up 24.1 pts / 11.9 reb / 4.3 ast / 1.6 blk on 48.9 %FG / 38.7% 3FG / 87% FT at 25 years old.
Would trade for him right away if we could.

[Paija]

Hi,
I have not watched many Knicks games this season (also watch only those Mavs games where they win). But yesterday before the game I looked at Knicks roster and there are just 3 players with whom KP played in NY - Frank, Knox and Rose. Why Frank and Knox are not playing? If you do not play them why not trade?
And actually, Knicks did not play that bad, they held Mavericks to less than 100 points, which has happened this season just 7 times before this game and in 5 of those either KP or Luka was not playing. So Knicks defended very well in my opinion. I quite liked your rookies, we do see ours playing very rarely, because Carlisle does not trust rookies (if they are not Luka). Only when half of starters were out by covid, then rooks got some playing time

[Phish Tank]

I’ll never get the fascination with KAT. He has the impact of bargnani

There are some Knicks fans that want him on the team simply for no other reason than him being from New Jersey and his dad being a Knicks fan.

KAT is in a bad situation for years now. I know his D is not good, but I think that would change in a different scenery. And even if its just average, his offense and rebounding are so great, he could AT LEAST be the 2nd option on a contender.
Even on a **** team, while suffering from covid and injuries he is putting up 24.1 pts / 11.9 reb / 4.3 ast / 1.6 blk on 48.9 %FG / 38.7% 3FG / 87% FT at 25 years old.
Would trade for him right away if we could.

I don't think his defense is fixable, especially since Thibs couldn't do it the first time around.