2021 NBA Draft

[Sea2003]

I know we're riding high on March Madness but I put together some scouting videos for Kuminga and Green for anyone interested in the G-League dudes.

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Nice videos

[Sea2003]

Am I the only one who’s not high on Suggs? Don’t get me wrong, he’s a great prospect but I think his ceiling is pretty limited compared to other players.

[Upperclass]

Imo Suggs is a guy who if he busts then he busts.. but there isnt anything he doesnt do well imo except shoot the 3 and that could come in time. Even if it doesnt.. in a league where Elfrid Payton, Sexton, Bledsoe, DSJ, Augustin, Teague and others have been starters in recent years.. Suggs talent appears to be multiple tiers about these types of players, so even hes just average.. then hes still likely to be startable.

[ruffian253]

Timme is such a unique prospect.. The stuff he was doing out there and the way he does it.. not alot other guys can play this way.. so many head fakes, pump fakes, pinpoint passes, finishing over length, staying with guards on the perimeter.. idk who he compares to but some NBA team will take a chance that they can mold him into some kind of Brian Cardinal - Kevin Love - Jerome Williams hybrid

Guy is like a Mason Plumlee. That sounds disrespectful but it's not.

He doesn't appear to have anywhere that level of athleticism imo. He does play alot like Danny Ferry though actually

Danny Ferry? Mason Plumlee? Did anybody watch the zags these past two weeks or even see highlights? Timme is more Sabinos, Jermaine O'Neal or any other big man in the league that has good footwork and low post moves. In the tournament, Timme may have only 1 block and 1 3pt attempt total. He knows his role.

[MotownMadness]

Guy is like a Mason Plumlee. That sounds disrespectful but it's not.

He doesn't appear to have anywhere that level of athleticism imo. He does play alot like Danny Ferry though actually

Danny Ferry? Mason Plumlee? Did anybody watch the zags these past two weeks or even see highlights? Timme is more Sabinos, Jermaine O'Neal or any other big man in the league that has good footwork and low post moves. In the tournament, Timme may have only 1 block and 1 3pt attempt total. He knows his role.

I was just thinking of a efficient player who can pass and fill up some other areas of the stat sheet.

[clyde21]

Riding the Gonzaga high, does Timme have a chance to go late first round?

possible, I don't think it's out of the question that he develops an outside shot either at some point. not sure I would take him at that point myself but he's definitely draftable.

I read somewhere that he has been training with Jermaine Oneal in Texas since high school, so you can see the similarities with excellent footwork and finesse low post moves. Fortunately, the big man is slowing to come back with Sabonis, Embiid, etc.

this might be the easy/lazy comp, but the Timme to Sabonis comp makes a lot of sense on the surface, so maybe how Sabonis has developed in the NBA might help push Timme into the first, we'll see.

[No-Man]

Timme is like Sabonis but worse at everything, smaller, worse athlete, worse as a passer/shooter

Dunno, he is fine as a late 2nd round guy but he is probably just a rotation big at absolute best

1st is insanity

[Yunsen]

I feel like nobody remembers what Sabonis actually was at Gonzaga because of how he developed in the NBA. Sabonis was not that good of a passer at Gonzaga. The year he was drafted he averaged under 2 assists per game and nearly average 1 more turnover per game. He also only took 14 3's in his two seasons at Gonzaga (making 5 of them) so his shooting wasn't exactly a plus. The things Sabonis excelled at on Gonzaga was his elite rebounding and post game. Also they might look different but Sabonis at Gonzaga and Timme right now are very close to each other regarding measurables.

All that being said, I don't think Timme should go higher than early 2nd round if he does declare this year. I think if he comes back to Gonzaga and proves he can be a capable 3 point shooter, then he has the potential to be a lottery pick next year.

[No-Man]

I saw Domas in Malaga when he debuted in ACB, his understanding of the game was elite from an early age, his role with Gonzaga was more as a hammer/finisher, but he always had that type of feel

Sabonis is better athlete than Drew, while being also just bigger, clearly stronger at the same stage

I think Timme as a lotto pick is a tall order in any year, he would have to be an elite shooting big in a year to get there, coming back makes little sense

I do think Drew can have a pro career in the league, but the ceiling play doesn't make sense with him even in the early 2nd imo, mid to late 2nd, whatever, those picks are worthless for the most part

[clyde21]

4/3 bb update

T1
1 Evan Mobley

T2
2 Jalen Suggs
3 Cade Cunningham

T3
4 Jalen Green
5 Jonathan Kuminga
6 Jaden Springer
7 Moses Moody
8 Brandon Boston Jr.
9 Franz Wagner

T4
10 Jalen Johnson
11 Keon Johnson
12 Usman Garuba
13 Isaiah Jackson
14 Scottie Barnes
15 Ziaire Williams
16 James Bouknight
16 Corey Kispert
17 Trendon Watford

[Mickey8]

Filip Petrusev is the better player than Timme and he will prove that in NBA, you heard it here first

[Stillwater]

Filip Petrusev is the better player than Timme and he will prove that in NBA, you heard it here first

his game is expanding for sure no surprise if he ever comes over he could have a more versatile skill set offensively anyway.

[Sugarless]

If you don't love Davion Mitchell you just don't love basketball. Simple as that.

[BoyzNTheHood]

If you don't love Davion Mitchell you just don't love basketball. Simple as that.

Personally, I love watching Davion Mitchell play basketball, but I'm not sure if I love him personally since I don't know him

[doordoor123]

I feel like nobody remembers what Sabonis actually was at Gonzaga because of how he developed in the NBA. Sabonis was not that good of a passer at Gonzaga. The year he was drafted he averaged under 2 assists per game and nearly average 1 more turnover per game. He also only took 14 3's in his two seasons at Gonzaga (making 5 of them) so his shooting wasn't exactly a plus. The things Sabonis excelled at on Gonzaga was his elite rebounding and post game. Also they might look different but Sabonis at Gonzaga and Timme right now are very close to each other regarding measurables.

All that being said, I don't think Timme should go higher than early 2nd round if he does declare this year. I think if he comes back to Gonzaga and proves he can be a capable 3 point shooter, then he has the potential to be a lottery pick next year.

Your feelings are wrong. He has 2 assists per game for a POST player. If you watched him at all you knew he was a good passer. I even have multiple comments in this sub about his passing before he was drafted.

[No-Man]

Filip Petrusev is the better player than Timme and he will prove that in NBA, you heard it here first

Timme is destroying college in a stronger year of college bball when Petrusev struggled against any real big man last season

So yeah... no

Also Filip's attitude sucks, so pouty

[aminiaturebuddha]

4/3 bb update

T1
1 Evan Mobley

T2
2 Jalen Suggs
3 Cade Cunningham

T3
4 Jalen Green
5 Jonathan Kuminga
6 Jaden Springer
7 Moses Moody
8 Brandon Boston Jr.
9 Franz Wagner

T4
10 Jalen Johnson
11 Keon Johnson
12 Usman Garuba
13 Isaiah Jackson
14 Scottie Barnes
15 Ziaire Williams
16 James Bouknight
16 Corey Kispert
17 Trendon Watford

No love for Kai Jones? He's raw yes, and so won't be an immediate impact player, but the draft is clearly supposed to be more forward thinking than that. You really don't have him in your top 17? If it wasn't an oversight, I'd be curious to know why you're not as high on him as many.

[doordoor123]

I do really like Timme. He has a ton of confidence, he’s smart and has a super soft touch. He makes contested baskets around the rim with bigger centers putting their arms up. I also think his biggest flaws will be a simple fix. He’s not going to be a defender, but will still be valuable to teams. His footwork is so good in the post and he’s so good in transition I can’t imagine him not scoring at the next level.

[clyde21]

4/3 bb update

T1
1 Evan Mobley

T2
2 Jalen Suggs
3 Cade Cunningham

T3
4 Jalen Green
5 Jonathan Kuminga
6 Jaden Springer
7 Moses Moody
8 Brandon Boston Jr.
9 Franz Wagner

T4
10 Jalen Johnson
11 Keon Johnson
12 Usman Garuba
13 Isaiah Jackson
14 Scottie Barnes
15 Ziaire Williams
16 James Bouknight
16 Corey Kispert
17 Trendon Watford

No love for Kai Jones? He's raw yes, and so won't be an immediate impact player, but the draft is clearly supposed to be more forward thinking than that. You really don't have him in your top 17? If it wasn't an oversight, I'd be curious to know why you're not as high on him as many.

i like Kai, he'd be in the next group I'd have there in the 18-22 range with guys like Lewis and Ayayi, I just didn't want to drill that far because honestly it gets kinda interchangeable at the point depending what you're looking for

biggest issue I have with Kai is that for sophomore he's still really really raw despite him displaying some outlier skills for his size, but he's a guy that could easily work his way up during this process, well see.

[aminiaturebuddha]

i like Kai, he'd be in the next group I'd have there in the 18-22 range with guys like Lewis and Ayayi, I just didn't want to drill that far because honestly it gets kinda interchangeable at the point depending what you're looking for

biggest issue I have with Kai is that for sophomore he's still really really raw despite him displaying some outlier skills for his size, but he's a guy that could easily work his way up during this process, well see.

Yeah, I could see that. You might want more progress from him given that he's already 20. I'm pretty high on him though (would probably have him near the top of your 4th group, if not bottom of the 3rd). The thing that gives me a lot of hope for him is that you definitely see flashes of great court awareness, where he seems to know where to look instinctively for his open teammates if he's doubled, and he actively looks to read the floor. You don't see that as much from young big men, and it gives me the sense that he'll be more than just an athletic rim-running big. If I'm right, it really expands the kind of offensive plays he can be involved in, so he becomes much more of an integral part of a pro offence, and not just a utility big.

On the defensive end, he's obviously got ability, although like a lot of young players he gets lost every once and a while. However, I've also seen him make very smart decisions on switches and hedges, as well as picking his spots for the right time to come over on help - the kinds of things he'll be asked to do in the NBA.

Anyway, just my two cents. He'll probably take a year or two before he's a 30-minute a game type of player because, as you mentioned, he's still fairly raw, but I think he has a great chance of becoming a very good starter in the league.