2021 49ers offseason

wco81 · Post #421 » by **wco81** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:16 pm

Mike Lombardi claims the only two people making the pick at #3 are Kyle and Mike Shanahan.

So based on the QBs they've acquired, it's going to be Jones, because they want a guy who can get the team into Kyle's glorious plays, which are really Mike's plays.

That will be Jones, who's the most "ready" of the QBs after Lawrence.

Samurai · Post #422 » by **Samurai** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:17 pm

wco81 wrote:And if Fields bombs out at QB, convert him to WR?

I suppose that's possible, although he's never played WR in college. At least he has the speed for it.

And if Jones bombs out at QB, what position would you convert him to?

wco81 · Post #423 » by **wco81** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:30 pm

Probably be herded out of the league, like Kyle would be from the 49ers job.

Pattersonca65 · Post #424 » by **Pattersonca65** » Fri Apr 2, 2021 4:42 pm

wco81 wrote:Mike Lombardi claims the only two people making the pick at #3 are Kyle and Mike Shanahan.

So based on the QBs they've acquired, it's going to be Jones, because they want a guy who can get the team into Kyle's glorious plays, which are really Mike's plays.

That will be Jones, who's the most "ready" of the QBs after Lawrence.

I believe that. Who seriously thinks Lynch is going to make this decision.

CrimsonCrew · Post #425 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Fri Apr 2, 2021 5:16 pm

There is a 0% chance anyone other than Kyle Shanahan is making the QB pick.

goober · Post #426 » by **goober** » Fri Apr 2, 2021 5:34 pm

I am warming up to Fields as an option. I think my initial distaste was more from me being a huge fanboy of Wilson. Really anyone of Wilson/Fields/Lance and I am at least not depressed. If the Jones hype is real, I will probably get drunk for the first time ever

TheBlackCzar · Post #427 » by **TheBlackCzar** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 11:38 pm

I find it a bit ironic that our FO which has been big against leaking since Kyle and John were hired, even before a a condition of acceptance of the jobs they now have. Now the entire universe is supposed to know who we're picking when we don't have pick 1.... I don't buy any of these rumors....

CrimsonCrew · Post #428 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Sun Apr 4, 2021 12:33 am

TheBlackCzar wrote:I find it a bit ironic that our FO which has been big against leaking since Kyle and John were hired, even before a a condition of acceptance of the jobs they now have. Now the entire universe is supposed to know who we're picking when we don't have pick 1.... I don't buy any of these rumors....

I was having similar thoughts, and was praying to God that means the Mac Jones thing is a smokescreen.

Jikkle · Post #429 » by **Jikkle** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 4:11 am

The vast majority of the Mac Jones to the 9ers has been speculation and educated guesses based on who Shanahan has had at QB in the past.

The only two reports I've seen that are claims to know what's going inside the 9ers is Lombardi's who is really only reported that Shanahan and Lynch disagree on which QB to go for but doesn't mention which QBs it is. He only assumed Shanahan wants Jones but they could be debating Lance and Fields for all we know if the report is true.

The second was Dan Patrick reading off what one of his sources told him in that Kyle wants Jones and the personnel department is trying to change his mind to Lance.

One thing to keep in mind is often times a team will intentionally leak misinformation knowing it will get reported for their own benefits.

That's why I take leaks that supposedly came from the organization with a grain of salt because thus far the Lynch/Shanahan regime has been very tight lipped and the only time you hear rumors about the 9ers is when it comes from a 3rd party like an agent or another team.

My gut tells me it's Lance and since their has been some smoke around the Falcons being high on Lance the 9ers don't want to tip their hand out of the off chance the Falcons or someone else trades up to get him at #2. Odds are pretty high that it's Lawrence at #1 and Jets stand pat at #2 to take Wilson but from the 9ers perspective their is 0 benefit from tipping your hand into who you want.

thesack12 · Post #430 » by **thesack12** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 8:09 pm

Read on Twitter

Well if there was any shred of doubt that Jets weren't going QB at 2, its been killed now.

Jikkle · Post #431 » by **Jikkle** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 11:43 pm

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/145962-breer-dont-pre-draft-hype-49ers-keeping-evaluations-close/

Basically echoing what a lot of others and I have been saying in that nobody knows what the 9ers are going to do.

All of the Mac Jones talk is basically people trying to connect the dots because of what they think Kyle wants. It all might end up being true but it's still pure speculation.

wco81 · Post #432 » by **wco81** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 12:57 am

That's not the worst return for Darold, considering that other teams knew that the Jets were planning to draft Wilson and that they didn't want to pay Darnold's fifth year.

CrimsonCrew · Post #433 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 3:47 am

Najee Harris thought the Niners were going to take him at 12.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/2021-nfl-draft-najee-harris-thought-49ers-would-take-him-trade

"And I look on TV the next day. No. 3 pick. I’m like what the … ? They ain’t picking no damn running back at No. 3.”

They better not have taken a damn RB at 12, either.

CrimsonCrew · Post #434 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 5:14 am

Jikkle wrote:https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/145962-breer-dont-pre-draft-hype-49ers-keeping-evaluations-close/

Basically echoing what a lot of others and I have been saying in that nobody knows what the 9ers are going to do.

All of the Mac Jones talk is basically people trying to connect the dots because of what they think Kyle wants. It all might end up being true but it's still pure speculation.

Breer's Thursday column also worth a read for his section on Fields.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/04/01/nfl-2021-pro-days-more-important-ohio-state-justin-fields

This part struck me:

So here’s the truth as I know it: Fields is a tough, competitive, somewhat quiet but very well-liked guy in that program. Does he have things to learn? He does. But as I’ve put the pieces together on it over the last couple of months, it absolutely, positively is not about work ethic with Fields. More so, it’ll be about how distributes his hours and the work he does.

Reminds me of Kaepernick. Dude was a serious worker, but not necessarily on the things that needed work. He definitely put in the time in the weight room, but needed a lot more time in the film room. This sort of thing isn't disqualifying, but if a guy doesn't correct it, it can be.

GS Warriors 1 · Post #435 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 5:22 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Najee Harris thought the Niners were going to take him at 12.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/2021-nfl-draft-najee-harris-thought-49ers-would-take-him-trade

"And I look on TV the next day. No. 3 pick. I’m like what the … ? They ain’t picking no damn running back at No. 3.”

They better not have taken a damn RB at 12, either.

Think it means that the 49ers were trading down from 12 or trading up from 43 if he started to fall. I doubt they were taking him at 12, but it is sort of interesting that the 49ers may have strong interest in Harris. We tend to forget that no one is signed past 2021 and the RB class isn't that deep.

Samurai · Post #436 » by **Samurai** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 6:10 pm

My guess is that the Darnold trade didn't impact the Niners' draft decisions at all. I suspect they had a good idea on who the Jets were drafting at #2 so they were confident that they could get at #3 (and I am just praying that whoever that guy is that his last name does not rhyme with 'bones'). The more telling part of the trade is that it sets a guide as to what the Niners could expect to get in a trade for Jimmy G. Any dreams they had about getting a first round pick for him was put to rest with that trade.

goober · Post #437 » by **goober** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 6:12 pm

Jimmy G is better than Darnold.

Good lord I will be utterly disappointed if we traded up for Mac. Why have an internal battle on who to pick and trade up with out being set on who to draft? You only trade up with a specific target in mind.

wco81 · Post #438 » by **wco81** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 6:20 pm

What some pundits are saying is that Jones isn't an elite athlete, which is what you want to get at the top of the draft.

I forget the examples but QBs with average athleticism, other than Brady didn't perform in the NFL while someone like Allen, with a big arm and ability to run, improved his accuracy and played at an MVP level last season.

One screaming guy on ESPN said Jones wouldn't be much of an upgrade over Jimmy G at all whereas Fields would have a high ceiling.

Meanwhile, Sherman, who still isn't signed, speculates that 49ers will draft Fields, not Jones as many are predicting.

Samurai · Post #439 » by **Samurai** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 8:15 pm

wco81 wrote:What some pundits are saying is that Jones isn't an elite athlete, which is what you want to get at the top of the draft.

I forget the examples but QBs with average athleticism, other than Brady didn't perform in the NFL while someone like Allen, with a big arm and ability to run, improved his accuracy and played at an MVP level last season.

One screaming guy on ESPN said Jones wouldn't be much of an upgrade over Jimmy G at all whereas Fields would have a high ceiling.

Meanwhile, Sherman, who still isn't signed, speculates that 49ers will draft Fields, not Jones as many are predicting.

The only upgrade Jones provides over Jimmy G is youth. That's important, just not nearly enough to warrant two first round picks. Sherman has always been a very intelligent and insightful guy; hoping he's right on this one.

CrimsonCrew · Post #440 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Thu Apr 8, 2021 12:13 am

Samurai wrote:
wco81 wrote:What some pundits are saying is that Jones isn't an elite athlete, which is what you want to get at the top of the draft.

I forget the examples but QBs with average athleticism, other than Brady didn't perform in the NFL while someone like Allen, with a big arm and ability to run, improved his accuracy and played at an MVP level last season.

One screaming guy on ESPN said Jones wouldn't be much of an upgrade over Jimmy G at all whereas Fields would have a high ceiling.

Meanwhile, Sherman, who still isn't signed, speculates that 49ers will draft Fields, not Jones as many are predicting.

The only upgrade Jones provides over Jimmy G is youth. That's important, just not nearly enough to warrant two first round picks. Sherman has always been a very intelligent and insightful guy; hoping he's right on this one.

The other advantage - though it would be true of any of these guys - is that he'd be much less expensive. About $20 million less expensive. That's a huge advantage for the five years you can control one of these guys. The problem with Jones is the problem with Garoppolo. You can win with Garoppolo at QB. But you can't win - at least not in the longterm - with Garoppolo making close to $30 million a year unless you have a huge cap cushion built up as we did early in the Lynch and Shanahan regime. I have similar concerns about Jones. Sure, we could probably be in the mix in years three through five if he continues to develop, but unless he's Brady or Brees, you then get into a situation similar to what we're in with Garoppolo. You can't pay them what the market dictates and stay competitive. At least with Fields, there's the promise that he can carry a less talented team.