The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either

[billy_hoyle]

There's no perfect comparison for Suggs but I still think a shorter Brandon Roy is the closest.

Keep in mind that in Roy's first full college season (Sophomore) he averaged only 12.9 points 5.3 reb 3.3ast 1.2stl. In comparison Suggs is at 14.1pts 5.5reb 4.6ast.

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Good enough for me!

Hey, if the Raptors would've properly drafted Aldridge #1 to pair with fellow Texan Bosh (being progressive with the double PF attack), who would Portland draft #2?

OMG, the T-Wolves traded #6 Roy for #7 Randy Foye, to save a few dollars.

All it too for Portland to move up from #4 Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khryapa was adding a 2nd pick for Aldridge.

The lesson here isn't to laugh at the unbelievable value differences of those two moves, but to remember that those outcomes are common. Foye and Tyrus were hyped prospects heading into that draft. There were draft boards that had those 2 above LMA and Roy. Easy to call in hindsight, but not at the time.

There are guys in the top 5 of this draft that will be much worse than the players chosen around them. I'd expect a player in the 10-15 range will be significantly better than one of the consensus top 5 picks.

It happens every year.

[OakleyDokely]

If we are outside the top 5, the next best prospect to me looks like James Bouknight - He's a CJ / Beal / Booker type of bucket

If we don't land in the top 4 or 5, I want him or Moody.

[Psubs]

There's no perfect comparison for Suggs but I still think a shorter Brandon Roy is the closest.

Keep in mind that in Roy's first full college season (Sophomore) he averaged only 12.9 points 5.3 reb 3.3ast 1.2stl. In comparison Suggs is at 14.1pts 5.5reb 4.6ast.

Watch on YouTube

Good enough for me!

Hey, if the Raptors would've properly drafted Aldridge #1 to pair with fellow Texan Bosh (being progressive with the double PF attack), who would Portland draft #2?

OMG, the T-Wolves traded #6 Roy for #7 Randy Foye, to save a few dollars.

All it too for Portland to move up from #4 Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khryapa was adding a 2nd pick for Aldridge.

The lesson here isn't to laugh at the unbelievable value differences of those two moves, but to remember that those outcomes are common. Foye and Tyrus were hyped prospects heading into that draft. There were draft boards that had those 2 above LMA and Roy. Easy to call in hindsight, but not at the time.

There are guys in the top 5 of this draft that will be much worse than the players chosen around them. I'd expect a player in the 10-15 range will be significantly better than one of the consensus top 5 picks.

It happens every year.

Foye was an undersized combo-guard, I guess they were in style at the time. Also Villanova was a hot team.

Tyrus Thomas was too much of a specialist (Scottie Barnes).

[tecumseh18]

If we are outside the top 5, the next best prospect to me looks like James Bouknight - He's a CJ / Beal / Booker type of bucket

If we don't land in the top 4 or 5, I want him or Moody.

Bouknight has to have a much higher floor than Moody, who strikes me as an inconsistent project.

While Moody has more size, it's still not a plus feature. I was intrigued because I first read that he was 6' 8", but it seems he's two inches shorter.

Anyway, I hate getting analytical about all the lesser lottery picks. I sure as hell don't know, but I expect our scouts to have it all sussed out.

[OakleyDokely]

If we are outside the top 5, the next best prospect to me looks like James Bouknight - He's a CJ / Beal / Booker type of bucket

If we don't land in the top 4 or 5, I want him or Moody.

Bouknight has to have a much higher floor than Moody, who strikes me as an inconsistent project.

While Moody has more size, it's still not a plus feature. I was intrigued because I first read that he was 6' 8", but it seems he's two inches shorter.

Anyway, I hate getting analytical about all the lesser lottery picks. I sure as hell don't know, but I expect our scouts to have it all sussed out.

Im not sure about his height, but I read that Moody has a 7'1 wingspan which is impressive.

[billy_hoyle]

Good enough for me!

Hey, if the Raptors would've properly drafted Aldridge #1 to pair with fellow Texan Bosh (being progressive with the double PF attack), who would Portland draft #2?

OMG, the T-Wolves traded #6 Roy for #7 Randy Foye, to save a few dollars.

All it too for Portland to move up from #4 Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khryapa was adding a 2nd pick for Aldridge.

The lesson here isn't to laugh at the unbelievable value differences of those two moves, but to remember that those outcomes are common. Foye and Tyrus were hyped prospects heading into that draft. There were draft boards that had those 2 above LMA and Roy. Easy to call in hindsight, but not at the time.

There are guys in the top 5 of this draft that will be much worse than the players chosen around them. I'd expect a player in the 10-15 range will be significantly better than one of the consensus top 5 picks.

It happens every year.

Foye was an undersized combo-guard, I guess they were in style at the time. Also Villanova was a hot team.

Tyrus Thomas was too much of a specialist (Scottie Barnes).

That's in hindsight. Maybe Suggs is the next Foye (undersized combo-guard)? And Mobley the next Tyrus Thomas (unrealized physical tools).

[Son Goku 25]

Bouknight seems like one of those picks outside the top 5 or so that may become the next Devin Booker.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Bouknight seems like one of those picks outside the top 5 or so that may become the next Devin Booker.

He kind of reminds me of Rip Hamilton

[billy_hoyle]

Bouknight seems like one of those picks outside the top 5 or so that may become the next Devin Booker.

He kind of reminds me of Rip Hamilton

Is it the jersey?

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Haven't kept up with College ball, any bigger guards or Cs that look good around 7/8? Please no more 6'0 back courts where we have to foul everyone just to defend

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Bouknight seems like one of those picks outside the top 5 or so that may become the next Devin Booker.

He kind of reminds me of Rip Hamilton

Is it the jersey?

So maybe a Hamilton/Kevin Martin-type player

[WeTheNorth123]

He kind of reminds me of Rip Hamilton

Is it the jersey?

So maybe a Hamilton/Kevin Martin-type player

Monta Ellis

[raptor jesus]

Assuming the Raps don't land near the top, I think Davion Mitchell is the obvious play. He should be league-ready on both sides of the ball from day one. Yeah he's older, but that also means he fits the current core's timeline and he'll be cheap and controllable through his prime.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I know we have a lot of Bouknight fans in here, and I can kind of see why, but I just can't get on board with him because he hasn't won at the college level. With that said, I know that great prospects don't always win in college. I just can't past seeing him as Alec Burks, which isn't bad but not someone I'd take in the lottery.

[Bruin]

I know we have a lot of Bouknight fans in here, and I can kind of see why, but I just can't get on board with him because he hasn't won at the college level. With that said, I know that great prospects don't always win in college. I just can't past seeing him as Alec Burks, which isn't bad but not someone I'd take in the lottery.

I’m not that high on Bouknight myself but I won’t judge him by his teams record since it isn’t really a good way of looking at prospects, like you mentioned. Simmons didn’t make the NCAA tournament and turned out fine

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Jaden Springer is my pick if we fall in that 8-12 range.

[Indeed]

Assuming the Raps don't land near the top, I think Davion Mitchell is the obvious play. He should be league-ready on both sides of the ball from day one. Yeah he's older, but that also means he fits the current core's timeline and he'll be cheap and controllable through his prime.

I was thinking that as well.
The question is, do we want to gamble on a higher ceiling scoring wing or bigger guard, or is Mitchell is proven enough that his floor is really close to those after the best 5 (or even after the best 7)? Do we draft him this high (let's say we are picking at #8 or #10)?

Mitchell will definitely be a good fit next to VanVleet, it is almost the perfect replacement of Lowry without really worry too much.

I guess we will wait to see how he plays out in the tournament and measurement. If he drops to late 20, I think we have a higher chance of trading up than drafting him that high.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I know we have a lot of Bouknight fans in here, and I can kind of see why, but I just can't get on board with him because he hasn't won at the college level. With that said, I know that great prospects don't always win in college. I just can't past seeing him as Alec Burks, which isn't bad but not someone I'd take in the lottery.

I’m not that high on Bouknight myself but I won’t judge him by his teams record since it isn’t really a good way of looking at prospects, like you mentioned. Simmons didn’t make the NCAA tournament and turned out fine

I will admit that the athleticism is enticing. Maybe it's that he looks so much like Cameron Payne For Bouknight fans, I'm wondering what separates him for you from a guy like Taevion Kinsey?

[HeadtopChunes]

Assuming the Raps don't land near the top, I think Davion Mitchell is the obvious play. He should be league-ready on both sides of the ball from day one. Yeah he's older, but that also means he fits the current core's timeline and he'll be cheap and controllable through his prime.

no thanks, biggest fools gold in the draft. That offense isn't translating, at the defense while good is nothing special at 6'2

[raptor jesus]

Assuming the Raps don't land near the top, I think Davion Mitchell is the obvious play. He should be league-ready on both sides of the ball from day one. Yeah he's older, but that also means he fits the current core's timeline and he'll be cheap and controllable through his prime.

no thanks, biggest fools gold in the draft. That offense isn't translating, at the defense while good is nothing special at 6'2

Perhaps he's having an outlier shooting season (or maybe not), but he's pretty decent navigating a PnR, as a creator for himself and others, and he's good at attacking switches. Not sure why that wouldn't play at the next level. And measuring defense by height is, of course, rather silly - I don't recall the last time I saw a guy block a shot with his head.