Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3

[Beenie]

Only team that scares me in the East is a healthy Brooklyn squad. They go as far as KD takes them, however.

Philly is mentally weak and will shatter to pieces if they play us. Tobias Harris is the biggest fraud since Pascal Siakam. Ben Simmons is the same player he was 4 years ago. Can Embiid win 4 games? Doubt it.

Mia's season long struggle defending against the 3 is a real concern. A team like Philly who can surround Emiid (who himself is above 40% from 3) with three other guys who shoot 40%+ is a challenge that Mia will have to contend against.

Danny Green by himself has been a notorious thorn in Mia's side.

[AirP.]

Don’t do this to me banner OP. Don’t get my hopes up like this.

Is there any conceivable way to add Kawhi and keep Dipo? I assume a S&T where we send picks to LAC.

The best way is to let Oladipo go and use the money available to sign Kawhi so that we can also keep Duncan and Herro. Then we could acquire a point guard like Kyle Lowry or anyone else with a sign and trade or just a regular trade. A regular trade would have more advantages, but it also requires draft picks and would take 3 months or more. The positive side is that we can always sign Dragic and we have the luxury of waiting for a new point guard.

How about...
Negotiate the assets with LA that it would take to acquire Kawhi(S&T) vs signing him straight out.
Miami opts in with Dragic and Iggy, package them and the agreed assets for Kawhi when free agency starts.
Miami resigns Oladipo(if they feel he's a good fit) and resigns Robinson.

Miami in the tax with Oladipo, Robinson, Butler, Kawhi, Bam as the starters, Herro, KZ or Precious, Strus, Vincent and any good vets wanting to chase rings. You have incredible switchable defense and 4 of them can put 20 points in a game on any given night.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Monroe and Knight working out at Remy’s

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CNS_7x0HGDK/?igshid=1uzrxavvgmof1

[RexBoyWonder]

Monroe has better offense then most (if not all) of these leftover bigs, but is that really what we need from our backup C?

I think we'll priorities defense and toughness, not sure he's a fit.

[dean456]

Don’t do this to me banner OP. Don’t get my hopes up like this.

Is there any conceivable way to add Kawhi and keep Dipo? I assume a S&T where we send picks to LAC.

We could have Kawhi, Bam, Butler, Dipo, Herro, Precious, Robinson and Ariza if we wanted to but would all depend on two things how much tax Mickey Arison would be prepared to pay for a team like that and what the LAC's would require us to trade them to receive Kawhi in return.

I would be curious to see how much leverage LAC's would have in that scenario. Because if the Clippers suck in the playoffs again and then Kawhi wants to leave, Miami wouldn't be able to sign him with cap space because there's no scenario where we can pay his max. But if its they either trade him to Miami and get something or he'll just sign somewhere else then we may be able to hold onto most of our players. Send them something like Dragic, Iggy, 3FRPs and swaps.

If Dipo signs at 25mil, Ariza at tax paying MLE 5.8mil, Robinson at 16mil and Kawhi at 39mil our salary's will look something like 165mil and we'd be 27mil over the tax line.

Dipo/???/???
Butler/Herro/???
Robinson/Ariza/???
Kawhi/Bjelica/KZ
Bam/Precious/???

[CanesHeatFins]

Don’t do this to me banner OP. Don’t get my hopes up like this.

Is there any conceivable way to add Kawhi and keep Dipo? I assume a S&T where we send picks to LAC.

We could have Kawhi, Bam, Butler, Dipo, Herro, Precious, Robinson and Ariza if we wanted to but would all depend on two things how much tax Mickey Arison would be prepared to pay for a team like that and what the LAC's would require us to trade them to receive Kawhi in return.

I would be curious to see how much leverage LAC's would have in that scenario. Because if the Clippers suck in the playoffs again and then Kawhi wants to leave, Miami wouldn't be able to sign him with cap space because there's no scenario where we can pay his max. But if its they either trade him to Miami and get something or he'll just sign somewhere else then we may be able to hold onto most of our players. Send them something like Dragic, Iggy, 3FRPs and swaps.

If Dipo signs at 25mil, Ariza at tax paying MLE 5.8mil, Robinson at 16mil and Kawhi at 39mil our salary's will look something like 165mil and we'd be 27mil over the tax line.

Dipo/???/???
Butler/Herro/???
Robinson/Ariza/???
Kawhi/Bjelica/KZ
Bam/Precious/???

As of now, I'd be floored if Dipo makes more than Robinson next year. As a restricted FA 20mil per yr will be Robinson's floor. Any team team that wants him, knows that they're gonna have to make that contract very ugly for Miami. As for Dipo, he'd better start proving that he's even better offensively than Kendrick Nunn. Because as of now, I don't see it.

[Wiltside]

Kawhi to SoBe?

[Wiltside]

Semi surprised OKC dumped Justin Jackson. Thought he was solid for them. At 6’8, 220lbs he’d be a handy insurance policy if Iggy/Ariza suffered injuries but we probably look elsewhere. Need for a legit big trumps it.

[Kobewade11]

For all of you out there looking for a center, I'll just put this out there for you. Olynyk since the trade:

18.6ppg 5rpg 3apg 1spg 1bpg 62 fg% (39/63) 44 3pt% (14/32) 95 ft% (20/21)

We dont need a scoring center we need somebody that can defend.

[contract]

Report: Kawhi Leonard ‘absolutely’ interested in joining forces with Jimmy Butler and Bam Adebayo on Miami Heat

Some random agent says Kawhi is interested in joining up with Jimmy and Bam?

I'm going to hold off on the excitement.

[SA37]

For all of you out there looking for a center, I'll just put this out there for you. Olynyk since the trade:

18.6ppg 5rpg 3apg 1spg 1bpg 62 fg% (39/63) 44 3pt% (14/32) 95 ft% (20/21)

Easy to put up numbers when you’re playing on the worst team in the league, have zero expectations of winning, and aren’t held accountable on defense. Same reason why Wood is putting up all-star stats.

Lol

Would you rather have Wood/Olynyk or the choice amongst Dwayne Dedmon, John Henson...etc?

BTW, Olynyk is doing that on 10 shots per game. He has put up similar numbers in Miami, but was unable to do it consistently -- and it is unlikely he will keep it up in Houston.

I am sure there are reasons Miami chose to keep Iguodala over Olynyk (my assumption is that it was a combination of acquiring Bjelica and Miami preferring the flexibility of having Iguodala's opt-in option to combine with Dragic's opt-in option -- both expirings -- to be able to trade for a high-salary player, possibly Beal), but as far as on-court production is concerned, Olynyk was an All-star next to what Iguodala has been providing. I do realize Miami probably was counting on adding Aldridge, but even if Miami had acquired Aldridge, Miami would still have been thin up front.

[SA37]

For all of you out there looking for a center, I'll just put this out there for you. Olynyk since the trade:

18.6ppg 5rpg 3apg 1spg 1bpg 62 fg% (39/63) 44 3pt% (14/32) 95 ft% (20/21)

We dont need a scoring center we need somebody that can defend.

Beggars can't be choosers.

Miami was not and is not spoiled for choice. It isn't as if it wasn't obvious Miami was thin upfront. I imagine Miami fully expected to get Aldridge, but...I also do recognize that Bjelica and Olynyk have a similar skillset.

[greg4012]

For all of you out there looking for a center, I'll just put this out there for you. Olynyk since the trade:

18.6ppg 5rpg 3apg 1spg 1bpg 62 fg% (39/63) 44 3pt% (14/32) 95 ft% (20/21)

Easy to put up numbers when you’re playing on the worst team in the league, have zero expectations of winning, and aren’t held accountable on defense. Same reason why Wood is putting up all-star stats.

Lol

Would you rather have Wood/Olynyk or the choice amongst Dwayne Dedmon, John Henson...etc?

BTW, Olynyk is doing that on 10 shots per game. He has put up similar numbers in Miami, but was unable to do it consistently -- and it is unlikely he will keep it up in Houston.

I am sure there are reasons Miami chose to keep Iguodala over Olynyk (my assumption is that it was a combination of acquiring Bjelica and Miami preferring the flexibility of having Iguodala's opt-in option to combine with Dragic's opt-in option -- both expirings -- to be able to trade for a high-salary player, possibly Beal), but as far as on-court production is concerned, Olynyk was an All-star next to what Iguodala has been providing. I do realize Miami probably was counting on adding Aldridge, but even if Miami had acquired Aldridge, Miami would still have been thin up front.

Is this a real thing? Heat fans coming out of the trade deadline upset with our trading of Olynyk for Oladipo?

THere's no hypothetical projection with having KO on our team. There's 4 years of track record. It's not bad. But it's a whole lot of limitations and down play paired with the good play

[Kobewade11]

Beggars can't be choosers.

Miami was not and is not spoiled for choice. It isn't as if it wasn't obvious Miami was thin upfront. I imagine Miami fully expected to get Aldridge, but...I also do recognize that Bjelica and Olynyk have a similar skillset.

So what exactly is the point of you posting Olynyk’s recent statline? We’ve already “replaced” Kelly.

[AirP.]

As of now, I'd be floored if Dipo makes more than Robinson next year. As a restricted FA 20mil per yr will be Robinson's floor. Any team team that wants him, knows that they're gonna have to make that contract very ugly for Miami. As for Dipo, he'd better start proving that he's even better offensively than Kendrick Nunn. Because as of now, I don't see it.

You do get Oladipo hadn't even practiced with the team his first 2 games? If you look at how he performed in Houston after being traded you can see that it's going to take time to see what the current health version of Oladipo can do and THAT'S the Oladipo you'd be signing, not the current version who has little idea how the offense runs or what his teammates do on the court.

It would be stupid for this team to give Robinson anything near 20 mil a year, let him go and roll with a way cheaper 3pt shooter to spend more money elsewhere. If the trade talks threw Robinson at nearly 27 years old off this much as it may have, how in the world is he going to be a positive in non bubble playoffs where it'll be way more stressful on the road?

I really don't get why anyone wants to even consider giving up even half the price of a max contract for Robinson. He's a few days away from being 27 years old and has had 22 20+ point games in his career. It would be very interesting to see what this team would do if Robinson were to miss a week or two of games and someone like Strus, Nunn or Herro in with the starters. I bet this Miami team wouldn't miss him much at all.

When the league average is nearly 37% from 3pt range, having a 3pt "specialist" isn't all that great but since he's another Miami project he'll get overpaid and then a couple years down the road people will wonder why he got paid that much. Just another Waiters, T.Johnson, J.Johnson, and Whiteside contract. Just grab a vet 3pt shooter for the cheap every couple of years.

[heat4life]

Monroe might not be the best fit here. He lives in the paint and while he was an OK rebounder, his defense was weak and was not much of a rim protector. Did his game change the last two years overseas?

At this point there is not much out there but all we need is 10-15 mpg "some" nights when playing big teams. If Marc Gasol becomes available, he is a candidate. Otherwise, I think we 10-day our way with different players the rest of the season. Maybe a Kyle Alexander return? He's familiar with the system after all.

[heater4life]

Paul Pierce got canned by ESPN.

Yet another thing Wades better at.

[NBADraft2003]

As of now, I'd be floored if Dipo makes more than Robinson next year. As a restricted FA 20mil per yr will be Robinson's floor. Any team team that wants him, knows that they're gonna have to make that contract very ugly for Miami. As for Dipo, he'd better start proving that he's even better offensively than Kendrick Nunn. Because as of now, I don't see it.

You do get Oladipo hadn't even practiced with the team his first 2 games? If you look at how he performed in Houston after being traded you can see that it's going to take time to see what the current health version of Oladipo can do and THAT'S the Oladipo you'd be signing, not the current version who has little idea how the offense runs or what his teammates do on the court.

It would be stupid for this team to give Robinson anything near 20 mil a year, let him go and roll with a way cheaper 3pt shooter to spend more money elsewhere. If the trade talks threw Robinson at nearly 27 years old off this much as it may have, how in the world is he going to be a positive in non bubble playoffs where it'll be way more stressful on the road?

I really don't get why anyone wants to even consider giving up even half the price of a max contract for Robinson. He's a few days away from being 27 years old and has had 22 20+ point games in his career. It would be very interesting to see what this team would do if Robinson were to miss a week or two of games and someone like Strus, Nunn or Herro in with the starters. I bet this Miami team wouldn't miss him much at all.

When the league average is nearly 37% from 3pt range, having a 3pt "specialist" isn't all that great but since he's another Miami project he'll get overpaid and then a couple years down the road people will wonder why he got paid that much. Just another Waiters, T.Johnson, J.Johnson, and Whiteside contract. Just grab a vet 3pt shooter for the cheap every couple of years.

You serious?

You get what the market is today for guys like Duncan right? He’s not better than Joe Harris but I’d definitely take him over Davis Bertans any day of the week, two guys who just got paid. I don’t get counting his 20 point games either when Jimmy, Bam, Goran, and at times Tyler along with Kendrick are more focal parts of the offense even though the offense IS built around his shooting ability. I get not liking some aspects of the guy, like his defense even though he’s worlds better than he was last year at it but I don’t see any factual basis on some of this.

We’ve seen Tyler as a starter, didn’t work. We’ve seen Kendrick as a starter, kind of worked. Max freaking Strus as the Duncan replacement is laughable. If he showed any sort of competency being that guy, Duncan would’ve been traded and gone by now. I hope you’re not blaming the offensive short comings on him either, that’s Spo all day. Expecting a DHO to an undrafted third year player to sustain your team’s offsense is kind of stupid. You waste 6-8 seconds for him to fight through screens, they’re still slow getting into their offense. You can’t keep spamming that and expect to score, teams have scouted it.

Legit curious to know what kind of shooter do you think replaces him for “cheap” and provides the same kind of production? His kind of shooting on volume and efficiency is at a premium in the league. Duncan’s also not the first guy to be bothered by trade rumors, won’t be the last. 10+ year vets do it too, they’re humans. Outside of maybe Hassan at times, nobody else was as important to a team as Duncan. Hassan had a career year AFTER he got paid, the rest of them dudes fell off when they got the bag.

[Kobewade11]

You serious?

You get what the market is today for guys like Duncan right? He’s not better than Joe Harris but I’d definitely take him over Davis Bertans any day of the week, two guys who just got paid. I don’t get counting his 20 point games either when Jimmy, Bam, Goran, and at times Tyler along with Kendrick are more focal parts of the offense even though the offense IS built around his shooting ability. I get not liking some aspects of the guy, like his defense even though he’s worlds better than he was last year at it but I don’t see any factual basis on some of this.

We’ve seen Tyler as a starter, didn’t work. We’ve seen Kendrick as a starter, kind of worked. Max freaking Strus as the Duncan replacement is laughable. If he showed any sort of competency being that guy, Duncan would’ve been traded and gone by now. I hope you’re not blaming the offensive short comings on him either, that’s Spo all day. Expecting a DHO to an undrafted third year player to sustain your team’s offsense is kind of stupid. You waste 6-8 seconds for him to fight through screens, they’re still slow getting into their offense. You can’t keep spamming that and expect to score, teams have scouted it.

Legit curious to know what kind of shooter do you think replaces him for “cheap” and provides the same kind of production? His kind of shooting on volume and efficiency is at a premium in the league. Duncan’s also not the first guy to be bothered by trade rumors, won’t be the last. 10+ year vets do it too, they’re humans. Outside of maybe Hassan at times, nobody else was as important to a team as Duncan. Hassan had a career year AFTER he got paid, the rest of them dudes fell off when they got the bag.

They were fully prepared to ship Duncan's ass out just two weeks ago and only didn't because of Toronto's greed. Herro as a starter "didn't work" because he was forced to play PG. With the right ball handler in that group Herro is more than capable of filling in off of the ball with the starters.

[NBADraft2003]

You serious?

You get what the market is today for guys like Duncan right? He’s not better than Joe Harris but I’d definitely take him over Davis Bertans any day of the week, two guys who just got paid. I don’t get counting his 20 point games either when Jimmy, Bam, Goran, and at times Tyler along with Kendrick are more focal parts of the offense even though the offense IS built around his shooting ability. I get not liking some aspects of the guy, like his defense even though he’s worlds better than he was last year at it but I don’t see any factual basis on some of this.

We’ve seen Tyler as a starter, didn’t work. We’ve seen Kendrick as a starter, kind of worked. Max freaking Strus as the Duncan replacement is laughable. If he showed any sort of competency being that guy, Duncan would’ve been traded and gone by now. I hope you’re not blaming the offensive short comings on him either, that’s Spo all day. Expecting a DHO to an undrafted third year player to sustain your team’s offsense is kind of stupid. You waste 6-8 seconds for him to fight through screens, they’re still slow getting into their offense. You can’t keep spamming that and expect to score, teams have scouted it.

Legit curious to know what kind of shooter do you think replaces him for “cheap” and provides the same kind of production? His kind of shooting on volume and efficiency is at a premium in the league. Duncan’s also not the first guy to be bothered by trade rumors, won’t be the last. 10+ year vets do it too, they’re humans. Outside of maybe Hassan at times, nobody else was as important to a team as Duncan. Hassan had a career year AFTER he got paid, the rest of them dudes fell off when they got the bag.

They were fully prepared to ship Duncan's ass out just two weeks ago and only didn't because of Toronto's greed. Herro as a starter "didn't work" because he was forced to play PG. With the right ball handler in that group Herro is more than capable of filling in off of the ball with the starters.

Yes, for an All-Star guard and not for Joe Schmo off the street because they think he’s easily replaceable. Herro also didn’t work for many other reasons, he wasn’t ready yet. I think Jimmy and Bam are more than capable ball handlers, it wasn’t going to work. He’ll get there.