2021 Draft thread. Woo! 15th pick here we come! Hoo. Ray.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1141 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 5:07 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Man props to Baylor. They were on another level.

Gonzaga getting Chet probably so they'll be back.

Chet who? Who Chet? I dunno dis

Post #1142 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 5:19 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:Man props to Baylor. They were on another level.

Gonzaga getting Chet probably so they'll be back.

Chet who? Who Chet? I dunno dis

Chet Holmgren - the number 1 recruit in the nation. He's over 7 feet tall and really does have the skills of a guard. Thing is - his body isn't just very skinny - it's also unathletic looking. Watch him, and you won't believe a guy who looks that awkward plays so well and is so much fun to watch.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1143 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 5:27 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/gonzaga-basketball-expected-to-get-commitment-from-no-1-recruit-chet-holmgren/ar-BB1fhg7r

Illuminaire · Post #1144 » by **Illuminaire** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 10:03 pm

Chet can't be a real person. Tell me this is a huge deepfake joke.

Post #1145 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 10:35 pm

Illuminaire wrote:Chet can't be a real person. Tell me this is a huge deepfake joke.

I laughed.

Sounds like Timme is likely to return. If so, it's gonna be fun to watch the Chet and Drew show next season.

prime1time · Post #1146 » by **prime1time** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 12:05 am

Very pleased with our continued losing.

Illuminaire · Post #1147 » by **Illuminaire** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 12:49 am

prime1time wrote:Very pleased with our continued losing.

Bah. Can you lend me Russ for a couple games? Zion is too good, he's already dragging the Pels to a mid-round pick just be scoring so freaking well. I need a tank commander.

Edit: This is what I'm dealing with here.

The rest of the starters get it. They're here to take bad shots, make questionable passes, and skip defensive rotations. Zion? He thinks he's supposed to win.

Silvie Lysandra · Post #1148 » by **Silvie Lysandra** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 1:23 am

westbrook for ingram straight up lets go

Illuminaire · Post #1149 » by **Illuminaire** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 1:54 am

Chaos Revenant wrote:westbrook for ingram straight up lets go

We're past the trade deadline. But what if we gave Westbrook fake dreads and put him in Kira Lewis' uniform? We pinky swear to throw you a 2nd round pick for cash considerations in the summer as a thank you.

NatP4 · Post #1150 » by **NatP4** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 1:41 pm

Micah Potter and Deandre Williams are nowhere to be found in the mock drafts. Couple of 2nd round sleepers.

Potter career numbers (4 years) per40: 19 points 11 rebounds 1 steal 1.5 blocks on 60% TS. Shot the 3 at 38%.

Williams career numbers (2 years) per40: 20 points 9.5 rebounds 4.7 assists 3.4 steals 1 block on 64% TS.

FAH1223 · Post #1151 » by **FAH1223** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 4:10 pm

Read on Twitter

NatP4 · Post #1152 » by **NatP4** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 4:46 pm

Mobley dropping below Kuminga and Green????

Also, the wiz have a 2% chance of picking 5th

Post #1153 » by **nate33** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 5:07 pm

NatP4 wrote:Mobley dropping below Kuminga and Green????

Also, the wiz have a 2% chance of picking 5th

Yeah, it's a pretty useless exercise to do a mock draft ranked by current team record. There is virtually no chance that the actual draft order will resemble the win/loss rankings.

Post #1154 » by **nate33** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 5:14 pm

NatP4 wrote:Mobley dropping below Kuminga and Green????

Also, the wiz have a 2% chance of picking 5th

It doesn't surprise me too much that Mobley has dropped. As I have said before, I think there's a real chance that Mobley will be ineffective for a few years because he is so slight of frame. Meanwhile, the worst performing guy of the top 5, Kuminga, also has the best NBA body and fits into the versatile wing prototype that every team needs.

I'm not saying that its wise to place Kuminga ahead of Mobley, but I can see why some teams would trend in that direction.

prime1time · Post #1155 » by **prime1time** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 5:36 pm

Talking about Mobley like it's 100% guaranteed that he's better than Kuminga and Green isn't more about dogmatic belief than it is about actual analysis. Take Mobley, Suggs, Cunningham, Green and Kuminga. And compare them at 18. I'm not sure that it's not Kuminga. There were major questions about Cade's jumper before he got to OK State. Way too many people in this thread focus on how good these players are right now, then how good they'll be 4 years from now or in their prime. If we came away from this draft with Kuminga I'd be overjoyed.

NatP4 · Post #1156 » by **NatP4** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 6:38 pm

nate33 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Mobley dropping below Kuminga and Green????

Also, the wiz have a 2% chance of picking 5th

It doesn't surprise me too much that Mobley has dropped. As I have said before, I think there's a real chance that Mobley will be ineffective for a few years because he is so slight of frame. Meanwhile, the worst performing guy of the top 5, Kuminga, also has the best NBA body and fits into the versatile wing prototype that every team needs.

I'm not saying that its wise to place Kuminga ahead of Mobley, but I can see why some teams would trend in that direction.

What gives you the indication that Mobley will be ineffective in his first few years and Kuminga will not?

Post #1157 » by **nate33** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 6:49 pm

NatP4 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Mobley dropping below Kuminga and Green????

Also, the wiz have a 2% chance of picking 5th

It doesn't surprise me too much that Mobley has dropped. As I have said before, I think there's a real chance that Mobley will be ineffective for a few years because he is so slight of frame. Meanwhile, the worst performing guy of the top 5, Kuminga, also has the best NBA body and fits into the versatile wing prototype that every team needs.

I'm not saying that its wise to place Kuminga ahead of Mobley, but I can see why some teams would trend in that direction.

What gives you the indication that Mobley will be ineffective in his first few years and Kuminga will not?

Mobley doesn't rebound well for a center and consistently got pushed out of the paint even when opposing guards switched onto him. Teams will be able to go small against Mobley, putting more skilled guys on the floor, and not worry about paying for it on the defensive end since Mobley can be guarded by a small player. He'll be kinda like Porzingis, only without the 3-point shooting. And Pozingis without a 3-pointer isn't really THAT valuable. (Don't get me wrong. In time, I think Mobley will fill out and figure out how to make teams pay for guarding him with a small player.)

Meanwhile, Kuminga has an NBA body and is strong enough to match up with NBA players right away. I don't think he'll be particularly efficient as a scorer in his first couple of seasons, but he'll hold his own defensively. And at his young age, I expect rapid improvement on offense. If nothing else, he'll become an acceptable 3-point shooter, which will make him a useful 3&D guy pretty quickly.

Illuminaire · Post #1158 » by **Illuminaire** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 6:52 pm

The case for Mobley is simply about rarity and value over replacement.

What Mobley projects to be is rarer and more valuable than what anyone else projects to be. Obviously that's a lot of educated guesswork. And the timeline for Mobley is certainly longer. But in terms of resource cost to acquire and VOP, Mobley is the clear top choice to me.

After that, it's pretty murky. I like Suggs, Green, Kuminga, and Cade, in that order.

Illuminaire · Post #1159 » by **Illuminaire** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 6:54 pm

nate33 wrote:Meanwhile, Kuminga has an NBA body and is strong enough to match up with NBA players right away. I don't think he'll be particularly efficient as a scorer in his first couple of seasons, but he'll hold his own defensively. And at his young age, I expect rapid improvement on offense. If nothing else, he'll become an acceptable 3-point shooter, which will make him a useful 3&D guy pretty quickly.

You're relying on a young player to provide defensive value, and expecting a 62.5% FT shooter to become a decent 3&D guy "pretty quickly"?

We usually agree on a lot of things, but I'm really not seeing the logic here. Kuminga will rebound and be an athlete, that's ALL we can be sure of right now.

FAH1223 · Post #1160 » by **FAH1223** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 7:06 pm

Illuminaire wrote:
nate33 wrote:Meanwhile, Kuminga has an NBA body and is strong enough to match up with NBA players right away. I don't think he'll be particularly efficient as a scorer in his first couple of seasons, but he'll hold his own defensively. And at his young age, I expect rapid improvement on offense. If nothing else, he'll become an acceptable 3-point shooter, which will make him a useful 3&D guy pretty quickly.

You're relying on a young player to provide defensive value, and expecting a 62.5% FT shooter to become a decent 3&D guy "pretty quickly"?

We usually agree on a lot of things, but I'm really not seeing the logic here. Kuminga will rebound and be an athlete, that's ALL we can be sure of right now.

Do you get MKG vibes from Kuminga?