I miss Fournier AOS: PHI 106, BOS 96 (25-26)

greenroom31 · Post #61 » by **greenroom31** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 2:52 am

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Who's still got the list of excuses ? I'd love to hear them

This is all I’ve got at this point:

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #62 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 2:52 am

Just a lost season. Losing Hayward sucked. I get that we have the most games lost to Covid health and safety protocols. I understand that our best guys are also under 25 too. But man, the effort has been bad. Finding new ways to lose games by big margins is also jarring to me. It seems like we are trending towards a loss in the play-in game. And if I’m going to be honest with you, at this point, I’d be satisfied with lasting 6-7 games in the first round. That’s how much I’ve lowered my expectations for this year.

JHTruth · Post #63 » by **JHTruth** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 2:53 am

IDK man. the quality of coaching of a Doc vs Brad just feels like chasm. Hate on Doc if you want but that guy is a great freaking coach. Just think Brad might not be the guy to take us to the top

Bar Fight · Post #64 » by **Bar Fight** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 2:54 am

Hal14 wrote:
Bar Fight wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
They weren't "fake wins". Great wins against NBA teams. They just ran into a team that I think will win it all this year. Happens

Beating a tanking Houston team with a rotation of players most people have never heard of and a decimated Charlotte team led by Terry Rozier aren't "great wins"

1) We didn't just beat Houston and Charlotte. We blew them out.
2) Houston is not tanking. They are highly competitive professional athletes. If you think they are actually trying to lose on purpose you clearly have no idea how competitive professional athletes are and how the brain works of a competitive professional athlete.
3) Porter, Tate, House, Wood, Augustin, Olynyk, Mclemore, Avery Bradley. Anyone who's never heard of these guys has no idea what the hell they're talking about.
4) At full strength, Charlotte is clearly a deeper team than the Celtics, so even with the injuries they have, they are just as deep as us. Not as talented, but not the scrubs you're making them out to be. The game before we played them, Charlotte beat Indiana by 17. We are barely ahead of Indiana in the standings.

1. We should blow out horrendous teams/teams decimated with injuries.
2. Houston's front office is tanking. Which is why they're fielding such a horrendous basketball team.
3. Out of that list, Wood is really the only player to write home about. Tate and Porter are very young players who have had a cup of coffee playing at this level. Bradley and Olynyk are disgruntled vets who just got dumped by a Playoff team. McLemore was literally just waived by the Rockets and has been awful for them. Arguing that Houston roster is anything but trash is a bad hill to die on.
4. Charlotte isn't at full strength though. They're literally missing their two best players. That would be like a fully healthy Charlotte team bragging about beating us without Tatum and Brown

PierceFan4ever · Post #65 » by **PierceFan4ever** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 2:54 am

JHTruth wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:If Durant is healthy nobody is beating the Nets. KD is also the best player on the planet imo.

LOL you guys honestly think Durant is going to return to the court as his old self? Guy hasn't played like the whole year. He's 32 coming off an achilles tear.

He's KG post-2009. Everyone is going to wait for him to return to his former self and he just won't have that gear

Yeah he looked like his old self right from the opening tip this season after not playing for a year and a half. He’s about to return soon and has 20 games before the playoffs. I don’t doubt his ability since he’s a generational nba talent offensively. Obviously if he looks like a shell of himself then it changes things but I don’t expect it at all.

MagicBagley18 · Post #66 » by **MagicBagley18** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 2:55 am

JHTruth wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:If Durant is healthy nobody is beating the Nets. KD is also the best player on the planet imo.

LOL you guys honestly think Durant is going to return to the court as his old self? Guy hasn't played like the whole year. He's 32 coming off an achilles tear.

He's KG post-2009. Everyone is going to wait for him to return to his former self and he just won't have that gear

But unlike kg in 09 the nets have another mvp caliber player and kyrie Irving....KD looked great to start the year and they have been extra cautious with him. If he’s 75% that’s enough to get them out of the east as long as harden and kyrie are fine

threrf23 · Post #67 » by **threrf23** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 2:55 am

grindtime22 wrote:
I don't know about that

You need big boys to defend Embiid. Kanter was our best defender on him last year by a mile and he would be this year as well. You just need guys that aren't going to be easily bullied. If he makes jumpers, he makes jumpers. Oh well. The free throws will not be as easy to come by in the postseason. Its obvious that Morey ball has taken Embiid to a new level, but he won't get as much garbage in the postseason.

On the other end, the Nuggets have everything to exploit the drop. If Jokic lets it fly, that would severely disrupt Philly's defense. The blueprint to beat these drop defenses is out there and everybody knows it. It just doesn't get ratcheted up until the postseason.

Embiid might be the most imposing big man in the league. But he isn't the best big man in the league, he's not better than Jokic, and the Nuggets have the more well rounded team. And Aaron Gordon might not be a superstar, but he is an absolutely perfect fit for the Nuggets, makes it a lot easier to match up with guys like Simmons and Harris.

(Gordon, similar to Fournier IMO, is an elite-ish role player who shines when surrounded by better players, as opposed to being a star on a rebuilding team)

Miami/Philly makes an interesting matchup too, Bam is savvy and Miami has elite perimeter D to match up with Philly's nothing special guard play.

JHTruth · Post #68 » by **JHTruth** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 2:56 am

PierceFan4ever wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:If Durant is healthy nobody is beating the Nets. KD is also the best player on the planet imo.

LOL you guys honestly think Durant is going to return to the court as his old self? Guy hasn't played like the whole year. He's 32 coming off an achilles tear.

He's KG post-2009. Everyone is going to wait for him to return to his former self and he just won't have that gear

Yeah he looked like his old self right from the opening tip this season after not playing for a year and a half. He’s about to return soon and has 20 games before the playoffs. I don’t doubt his ability since he’s a generational nba talent offensively. Obviously if he looks like a shell of himself then it changes things but I don’t expect it at all.

That's the thing guys with Achilles tears can look good for awhile then it catches up. Just look at Kobe

GoCeltics123 · Post #69 » by **GoCeltics123** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:03 am

Bottom line, Philly just got better role players and they look better. This team needs much better role players

PierceFan4ever · Post #70 » by **PierceFan4ever** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:06 am

JHTruth wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
LOL you guys honestly think Durant is going to return to the court as his old self? Guy hasn't played like the whole year. He's 32 coming off an achilles tear.

He's KG post-2009. Everyone is going to wait for him to return to his former self and he just won't have that gear

Yeah he looked like his old self right from the opening tip this season after not playing for a year and a half. He’s about to return soon and has 20 games before the playoffs. I don’t doubt his ability since he’s a generational nba talent offensively. Obviously if he looks like a shell of himself then it changes things but I don’t expect it at all.

That's the thing guys with Achilles tears can look good for awhile then it catches up. Just look at Kobe

Kobe looked bad coming from the Achilles, right away you could tell he didn’t have the same explosion as he did towards the end of 2013. Kobe also rushed to come back from his injuries while being older too. Durant took his sweet time and came into the season being in the mvp discussion before he went out. Time will tell but Durant has shown nothing but greatness since his return.

Ill News · Post #71 » by **Ill News** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:06 am

JHTruth wrote:IDK man. the quality of coaching of a Doc vs Brad just feels like chasm. Hate on Doc if you want but that guy is a great freaking coach. Just think Brad might not be the guy to take us to the top

I don't think it was a problem of Brad being outcoached, in-game at least. The Sixers just have better personnel and a better defense, also mainly because of the personnel they have. All of our guys have regressed on the defensive end.

Triple7 · Post #72 » by **Triple7** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:09 am

I don’t think Tatum is an elite offensive player. He’s been hovering at 20pts a game on poor efficiency this season. Guys like Kyrie, KD, booker, Harden, heck even PG now has over 20 before half time, can easily go off for 20 in just one half. Tatum has all the skill set to be one of the best on both ends, but maybe Stevens’ system doesn’t allow that to happen.

LoquaciousLarry · Post #73 » by **LoquaciousLarry** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:13 am

Tatum needs a new strength program so he can be more effective in the paint not always relying solely on an ankle breaker as he's now the focus of an offense and help is readily available to meet him at the rim. He shies away from it, if he bulks up he'll thrive.

Triple7 · Post #74 » by **Triple7** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:14 am

JHTruth wrote:IDK man. the quality of coaching of a Doc vs Brad just feels like chasm. Hate on Doc if you want but that guy is a great freaking coach. Just think Brad might not be the guy to take us to the top

I agree with this! Plus players respect Doc. I doubt Stevens will ever get that.

grindtime22 · Post #75 » by **grindtime22** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:15 am

Triple7 wrote:
JHTruth wrote:IDK man. the quality of coaching of a Doc vs Brad just feels like chasm. Hate on Doc if you want but that guy is a great freaking coach. Just think Brad might not be the guy to take us to the top

I agree with this! Plus players respect Doc. I doubt Stevens will ever get that.

If you ignore his entire time with the Clippers, everything looks great

bucknersrevenge · Post #76 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:19 am

Triple7 wrote:I don’t think Tatum is an elite offensive player. He’s been hovering at 20pts a game on poor efficiency this season. Guys like Kyrie, KD, booker, Harden, heck even PG now has over 20 before half time, can easily go off for 20 in just one half. Tatum has all the skill set to be one of the best on both ends, but maybe Stevens’ system doesn’t allow that to happen.

Sorry but I just don't understand ANY of this post. Tatum is in no way HOVERING around 20 ppg. He has been pretty consistent all season putting up around 25 a game. Currently, he's putting up 25/7/4 numbers and he's actually playing better since the All-Star break he's actually scoring more and shooting WAY better from 3 and from the floor overall. He's even taking more 3's now and shooting them better. And after this, after suggesting that he's not an elite offensive player, it seems like you're blaming Brad more for his shortcoming than him.

Huh?

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4065648/jayson-tatum

Triple7 · Post #77 » by **Triple7** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:26 am

grindtime22 wrote:
Triple7 wrote:
JHTruth wrote:IDK man. the quality of coaching of a Doc vs Brad just feels like chasm. Hate on Doc if you want but that guy is a great freaking coach. Just think Brad might not be the guy to take us to the top

I agree with this! Plus players respect Doc. I doubt Stevens will ever get that.

If you ignore his entire time with the Clippers, everything looks great

Well sometimes you need a change, if things doesn’t work anymore. Doc had been bad for the clips his last few years there, it’s a combination of bad luck, fatigue, or a just a bad fit. Brad had been here too long. He isn’t the right coach for this team anymore. It would only go downhill from here on out, or **** treadmill.

CelticsPride18 · Post #78 » by **CelticsPride18** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:30 am

I don’t understand how the same team reached the ECF looks absolutely clueless vs good teams.

Ben-N1ce · Post #79 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:32 am

Last 7 games Jaylen has 8 assists and 17 turnovers. That's how winners play.

VeryMuchWoke · Post #80 » by **VeryMuchWoke** » Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:38 am

With the Fournier + test, we should just shut down Kemba, Tatum and Brown for the season.

Draft a stud and we're right where we need to be.