Moderators: LyricalRico, nate33, montestewart
Ruzious wrote:Pointgod wrote:Absolute **** scumbag. What a piece of ****. Well now he’s going to have to lawyer up. Republicans keep taking **** L’s
Carlson was very wise to quickly distance him in their interview and avoid any implications.
He's probably planning to watch Gaetz' next interview with a tub of popcorn.
Ruzious wrote:Zonkerbl wrote:Man, this Gaetz thing is way weirder than I expected. Apparently some retired air force intelligence dude found about the FBI investigation and put together a very clever extortion strategy that didn't quite cross the line into actual extortion. Apparently no relation at all to the sex trafficking investigation, except that the extortionists somehow found out about it.
I'm resigning myself to the sex trafficking investigation coming up with nothing. Maybe Gaetz isn't the monster he plays on tv.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/matt-gaetz-investigation-robert-levinson/2021/03/31/ebe2a9ba-923e-11eb-9668-89be11273c09_story.html
I'm still not getting his claim that he was being extorted. It sounds like the alleged bribe was an offer to help him out of his legal problems in exchange for cash - which would be a bribe offer - but not extortion because there was no alleged threat. Nowhere was there an allegation that the briber was threatening to expose him or do anything else to him if he didn't ante up.
CobraCommander wrote:Ruzious wrote:Zonkerbl wrote:Man, this Gaetz thing is way weirder than I expected. Apparently some retired air force intelligence dude found about the FBI investigation and put together a very clever extortion strategy that didn't quite cross the line into actual extortion. Apparently no relation at all to the sex trafficking investigation, except that the extortionists somehow found out about it.
I'm resigning myself to the sex trafficking investigation coming up with nothing. Maybe Gaetz isn't the monster he plays on tv.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/matt-gaetz-investigation-robert-levinson/2021/03/31/ebe2a9ba-923e-11eb-9668-89be11273c09_story.html
I'm still not getting his claim that he was being extorted. It sounds like the alleged bribe was an offer to help him out of his legal problems in exchange for cash - which would be a bribe offer - but not extortion because there was no alleged threat. Nowhere was there an allegation that the briber was threatening to expose him or do anything else to him if he didn't ante up.
Gaetz might be Pervy dude but is there any tangible evidence that he did anything illegal? The 17 year old could cost him some time if that is true...but the rest of this sounds like a rich man doing what rich men do when- if I’m waiting on the evidence for Watson...I’m waiting on the evidence with Gaetz in this situation.
Beyond these allegations he seems like a horrible politician if representing the people is his job...if getting elected is his job...he is pretty good
Pointgod wrote:CobraCommander wrote:Ruzious wrote:I'm still not getting his claim that he was being extorted. It sounds like the alleged bribe was an offer to help him out of his legal problems in exchange for cash - which would be a bribe offer - but not extortion because there was no alleged threat. Nowhere was there an allegation that the briber was threatening to expose him or do anything else to him if he didn't ante up.
Gaetz might be Pervy dude but is there any tangible evidence that he did anything illegal? The 17 year old could cost him some time if that is true...but the rest of this sounds like a rich man doing what rich men do when- if I’m waiting on the evidence for Watson...I’m waiting on the evidence with Gaetz in this situation.
Beyond these allegations he seems like a horrible politician if representing the people is his job...if getting elected is his job...he is pretty good
I suggest you read about the investigation. Paying for escorts, illegal drugs and if given to a minor that’s a double whammy. Also he apparently was asking other girls to recruit other women. It’s like asking if anything Epstein did was illegal. And that doesn’t even scratch the surface of if he used government funds to pay for all of this which knowing the total douchebag and **** that he is most certainly did.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/04/matt-gaetz-doj-investigation-nude-photos
CobraCommander wrote:Pointgod wrote:CobraCommander wrote:
Gaetz might be Pervy dude but is there any tangible evidence that he did anything illegal? The 17 year old could cost him some time if that is true...but the rest of this sounds like a rich man doing what rich men do when- if I’m waiting on the evidence for Watson...I’m waiting on the evidence with Gaetz in this situation.
Beyond these allegations he seems like a horrible politician if representing the people is his job...if getting elected is his job...he is pretty good
I suggest you read about the investigation. Paying for escorts, illegal drugs and if given to a minor that’s a double whammy. Also he apparently was asking other girls to recruit other women. It’s like asking if anything Epstein did was illegal. And that doesn’t even scratch the surface of if he used government funds to pay for all of this which knowing the total douchebag and **** that he is most certainly did.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/04/matt-gaetz-doj-investigation-nude-photos
Oh so nothing new here. Again apart from the 17 year girl old crime (which dude should fry for if guilty)the rest of this sounds like rich men paying women consenting women for sex. The allegation is that consenting adults did drugs together. All of it is illegal but you think without the 17 year old he is going to jail? Not a chance...dude will get re-elected even if all the drugs and prostitution stuff is true in Florida. Clearly the people don’t care about corruption....
CobraCommander wrote:CobraCommander wrote:Pointgod wrote:
I suggest you read about the investigation. Paying for escorts, illegal drugs and if given to a minor that’s a double whammy. Also he apparently was asking other girls to recruit other women. It’s like asking if anything Epstein did was illegal. And that doesn’t even scratch the surface of if he used government funds to pay for all of this which knowing the total douchebag and **** that he is most certainly did.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/04/matt-gaetz-doj-investigation-nude-photos
Oh so nothing new here. Again apart from the 17 year girl old crime (which dude should fry for if guilty)the rest of this sounds like rich men paying women consenting women for sex. The allegation is that consenting adults did drugs together. All of it is illegal but you think without the 17 year old he is going to jail? Not a chance...dude will get re-elected even if all the drugs and prostitution stuff is true in Florida. Clearly the people don’t care about corruption....
Btw I wish the people cared.......but Robert Kraft is beloved....
Zonkerbl wrote:Paying a legal aged woman to cross state lines for sex is not illegal. That is, paying for her plane ticket for an otherwise consensual sexual encounter is not illegal. If you offer her $1000 bucks on top of the plane ticket or otherwise coerce/threaten/blackmail her then that can be trafficking.
Paying to transport a minor across state lines for the purpose of sex is sex trafficking. Minors can't give consent under any circumstances. Well, except to other minors.
Having sex with someone who is intoxicated (molly, alcohol, whatever) is arguably rape, because the victim can't legally consent. Hard to get a conviction though. Our court system sucks.
As someone who believes all drugs should be legal or at least decriminalized, I understand and am sort of ok with Gaetz not getting any jail time for using small amounts of a banned substance recreationally. It sucks that he will not get jail time because he is the son of a wealthy white man.
Fact is the vast majority of people arrested for simply using recreationally get no jail time - people in jail for using generally have some other more serious crime going on as well. The injustice is that police pull over or question only (well, mostly anyway) non-white people for using, and that's how the other more serious charges are discovered. White people who commit the same crimes get away with it (more often) because they don't get pulled aside (as often).
Zonkerbl wrote:Paying a legal aged woman to cross state lines for sex is not illegal. That is, paying for her plane ticket for an otherwise consensual sexual encounter is not illegal. If you offer her $1000 bucks on top of the plane ticket or otherwise coerce/threaten/blackmail her then that can be trafficking.
Paying to transport a minor across state lines for the purpose of sex is sex trafficking. Minors can't give consent under any circumstances. Well, except to other minors.
pancakes3 wrote:CobraCommander wrote:CobraCommander wrote:
Oh so nothing new here. Again apart from the 17 year girl old crime (which dude should fry for if guilty)the rest of this sounds like rich men paying women consenting women for sex. The allegation is that consenting adults did drugs together. All of it is illegal but you think without the 17 year old he is going to jail? Not a chance...dude will get re-elected even if all the drugs and prostitution stuff is true in Florida. Clearly the people don’t care about corruption....
Btw I wish the people cared.......but Robert Kraft is beloved....
i agree with you that it won't change any voters' minds. even if gaetz himself gets canned, his district will just vote in another guy who's just as awful.
however, it is interesting that there's such a sharp line between 17 and 18 for the moral line drawers. Dude is 38 and about to turn 39 in a month. A middle aged man plying a bunch of 18 year old girls with molly so he can sleep with them is objectively a morally incorrect thing to do*. The law puts a hard line between 17 and 18, and the conclusion goes from "dude should fry" to "2 consenting** adults" ?
*any aged man using drugs to seduce women of any age is morally reprehensible. even climbing on top of your passed out wife is pretty f*cked up.
**you can't consent if you lack capacity, and if you're tripping on E, seems pretty clear that your capacity to give consent is impaired, if not eliminated.
doclinkin wrote:Zonkerbl wrote:Paying a legal aged woman to cross state lines for sex is not illegal. That is, paying for her plane ticket for an otherwise consensual sexual encounter is not illegal. If you offer her $1000 bucks on top of the plane ticket or otherwise coerce/threaten/blackmail her then that can be trafficking.
Paying to transport a minor across state lines for the purpose of sex is sex trafficking. Minors can't give consent under any circumstances. Well, except to other minors.
I wondered about whether he was paying for minors to travel across state lines to states that had a lower age of consent. Florida's age of consent is 18. Neighboring states it may be as low as 16 or 17. That does seem to me to be trafficking. Even if it may be a grey area in the law considering state's rights etc. I dunno.
