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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1321 » by sonnyhill » Wed Apr 7, 2021 1:44 pm

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Onus wrote:The reason I have an issue with it is because KD obviously didn't like Kerr's system and didn't fit into the system. What does KD do well, he isolates and he scores over people. What should Wiseman not be doing: posting up or isolating. KD is probably telling him that he should be trying to score every time he touches the ball, but Wiseman isn't close to being a good scorer and he's already a black hole on offense.


Agreed!

Wiseman should have reached out to Bogut, David West and even Boogie Cousins if he needed mentorship on how to better understand and fit into Kerr's system.

Also, why not just go directly to Kerr?

Kerr and this coaching staff really messed up this season with their Wiseman development plan (BTW, I am not bashing the Warriors for having drafted Wiseman; I am, however, criticizing the coaching staff on its poorly-executed Wiseman development plan). Instead of starting a 19-year old kid who had only played 3 college games, had no summer league experience and an abbreviated training camp, Kerr should have begun Wiseman's tenure with the Warriors at the G-League level where the kid could have gotten more tutelage, gotten playing time without the media scrutiny, and learned how to play as a NBA professional. Yes, the media and fanbase would have criticized the team for having to send the #2 pick in this past year's draft to the G-League; yet, it would have been the best thing for both Wiseman and the Warriors. This Wiseman mess is all on Kerr and the coaching staff; the kid needed to get coaching, playing time, and above all, confidence.


You know what? Learning the fact that Wiseman was in contact with KD earlier even before the start of his professional career and that he is in constant contact with him even now is a big tell and potentially very useful information. The most important point to take away from this all? Wiseman admires KD's game. If the Warriors are smart they will take this information and find a way to use it to properly develop him.

Yes the Warriors coaching and development staff have dropped the ball and one reason I'm not that high on Kerr. This should be obvious to everyone. When I said that their failures with Jones and Bell were dire indicators I got snickers from this crowd. I wonder if they realize the wisdom now.


Astute analysis and really good post.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1322 » by whatisacenter » Wed Apr 7, 2021 4:20 pm

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Agreed!

Wiseman should have reached out to Bogut, David West and even Boogie Cousins if he needed mentorship on how to better understand and fit into Kerr's system.

Also, why not just go directly to Kerr?

Kerr and this coaching staff really messed up this season with their Wiseman development plan (BTW, I am not bashing the Warriors for having drafted Wiseman; I am, however, criticizing the coaching staff on its poorly-executed Wiseman development plan). Instead of starting a 19-year old kid who had only played 3 college games, had no summer league experience and an abbreviated training camp, Kerr should have begun Wiseman's tenure with the Warriors at the G-League level where the kid could have gotten more tutelage, gotten playing time without the media scrutiny, and learned how to play as a NBA professional. Yes, the media and fanbase would have criticized the team for having to send the #2 pick in this past year's draft to the G-League; yet, it would have been the best thing for both Wiseman and the Warriors. This Wiseman mess is all on Kerr and the coaching staff; the kid needed to get coaching, playing time, and above all, confidence.


You know what? Learning the fact that Wiseman was in contact with KD earlier even before the start of his professional career and that he is in constant contact with him even now is a big tell and potentially very useful information. The most important point to take away from this all? Wiseman admires KD's game. If the Warriors are smart they will take this information and find a way to use it to properly develop him.

Yes the Warriors coaching and development staff have dropped the ball and one reason I'm not that high on Kerr. This should be obvious to everyone. When I said that their failures with Jones and Bell were dire indicators I got snickers from this crowd. I wonder if they realize the wisdom now.


Astute analysis and really good post.


and where are Jones and Bell now? Did every team they subsequently go to drop the ball as well or did the Warriors screw them up so badly that they are forever ruined?

The Warriors coaching staff did not even have an offseason with JW and no training camp or preseason. Give them an offseason before making such statements.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1323 » by FNQ » Wed Apr 7, 2021 4:46 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
You know what? Learning the fact that Wiseman was in contact with KD earlier even before the start of his professional career and that he is in constant contact with him even now is a big tell and potentially very useful information. The most important point to take away from this all? Wiseman admires KD's game. If the Warriors are smart they will take this information and find a way to use it to properly develop him.

Yes the Warriors coaching and development staff have dropped the ball and one reason I'm not that high on Kerr. This should be obvious to everyone. When I said that their failures with Jones and Bell were dire indicators I got snickers from this crowd. I wonder if they realize the wisdom now.


Astute analysis and really good post.


and where are Jones and Bell now? Did every team they subsequently go to drop the ball as well or did the Warriors screw them up so badly that they are forever ruined?

The Warriors coaching staff did not even have an offseason with JW and no training camp or preseason. Give them an offseason before making such statements.


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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1324 » by TB » Wed Apr 7, 2021 5:03 pm

Couple Wiseman notes:

1- he looked great rebounding in space rather than getting caught ball watching under the hoop. Fast pace and staying active is definitely the key for him this year. Boxing out is sort of overrated when you just get pushed under the hoop, and this game he was finding angles and attacking the ball. Really well done.

2- Same thing that helps him rebounds has helped him on offense... fast pace and just finding space. Stay out of no mans land and find empty space at the hoop. Just a really solid game for him.

3- anyone else notice the last couple months his jumper has gotten really flat? whats going on with that?
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1325 » by sonnyhill » Wed Apr 7, 2021 5:09 pm

FNQ wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:
Astute analysis and really good post.


and where are Jones and Bell now? Did every team they subsequently go to drop the ball as well or did the Warriors screw them up so badly that they are forever ruined?

The Warriors coaching staff did not even have an offseason with JW and no training camp or preseason. Give them an offseason before making such statements.


The hilarious cycle of dunning-kreuger:

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Prospect fails
It cant possibly be that that the poster was wrong about the prospect
Coach's fault for not developing the prospect the correct way
Poster knew the correct way to develop their favorite prospect all along

I challenge you to find a more useless or predictable pattern on these forums


Shouldn't the real talking points be about how best to improve the franchise, optimize the current roster and develop Wiseman?

Why are you opposed to holding the coaching staff accountable in its responsibility towards creating the best "James Wiseman development strategy?" Starting Wiseman, moving him to the bench, and then starting Wiseman is a disjointed approach for both Wiseman as well as the team; and, this is on Kerr. This board, while we may disagree from time-to-time, has insights and viewpoints (including criticizing how Kerr is below-the-bar when it comes to player development) which should be discussed and vetted.

Nobody is stating that Kerr is a bad coach. The man guided the most talented roster, at the time, to three championships. The fanbase is lucky and grateful for the championship run. This fanbase, however, is also quite astute in stating the obvious: this coaching staff has some opportunities for personal growth when it comes to player development.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1326 » by Onus » Wed Apr 7, 2021 5:16 pm

FNQ wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:
Astute analysis and really good post.


and where are Jones and Bell now? Did every team they subsequently go to drop the ball as well or did the Warriors screw them up so badly that they are forever ruined?

The Warriors coaching staff did not even have an offseason with JW and no training camp or preseason. Give them an offseason before making such statements.


The hilarious cycle of dunning-kreuger:

Poster likes a prospect
Prospect fails
It cant possibly be that that the poster was wrong about the prospect
Coach's fault for not developing the prospect the correct way
Poster knew the correct way to develop their favorite prospect all along

I challenge you to find a more useless or predictable pattern on these forums

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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1327 » by and1GS » Wed Apr 7, 2021 5:28 pm

TB wrote:Couple Wiseman notes:

1- he looked great rebounding in space rather than getting caught ball watching under the hoop. Fast pace and staying active is definitely the key for him this year. Boxing out is sort of overrated when you just get pushed under the hoop, and this game he was finding angles and attacking the ball. Really well done.

2- Same thing that helps him rebounds has helped him on offense... fast pace and just finding space. Stay out of no mans land and find empty space at the hoop. Just a really solid game for him.

3- anyone else notice the last couple months his jumper has gotten really flat? whats going on with that?


In my experience, and I'm no basketball guru, that happens when you over-think your form and you generally miss short and flat. They definitely don't look like fluid shots. Seems more mental.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1328 » by WarriorGM » Wed Apr 7, 2021 5:47 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
You know what? Learning the fact that Wiseman was in contact with KD earlier even before the start of his professional career and that he is in constant contact with him even now is a big tell and potentially very useful information. The most important point to take away from this all? Wiseman admires KD's game. If the Warriors are smart they will take this information and find a way to use it to properly develop him.

Yes the Warriors coaching and development staff have dropped the ball and one reason I'm not that high on Kerr. This should be obvious to everyone. When I said that their failures with Jones and Bell were dire indicators I got snickers from this crowd. I wonder if they realize the wisdom now.


Astute analysis and really good post.


and where are Jones and Bell now? Did every team they subsequently go to drop the ball as well or did the Warriors screw them up so badly that they are forever ruined?

The Warriors coaching staff did not even have an offseason with JW and no training camp or preseason. Give them an offseason before making such statements.


You ask "Did the Warriors screw them so bad that they were forever ruined?" I get the feeling you think the answer is "Of course not, Jones and Bell just didn't have the talent." But you know what? We really don't know, and now that you brought it up, if we're being honest it is a possibility. The first team an NBA player is on can really set the tone for that player's career.

If I'm not mistaken James Wiseman has now played more NBA minutes with the Warriors this season than Damian Jones played in all his three seasons with the team combined. Is he better than Jones yet? Jones may have been let go by the Lakers in his last stint after they signed Drummond but his play on that team from what I can tell couldn't be characterized as him being a black hole. When Jones was with the Dubs I thought he should have gotten more playing time to prepare him better. Unfortunately for him he had that injury during that critical last year with the team and he never really got back after that.

Jordan Bell had the highest plus-minus in one of the most important games in recent Warriors history. Anyone who remembers Game 7 of the Rockets series in 2018 should remember that Bell was the guy that tag-teamed with Steph during the latter part of the game to bring the Warriors back from the brink. That to me is evidence of chemistry with Steph in the most critical of times. I have no idea why the coaching staff did not seem to recognize it and was completely oblivious to it and willing to just throw it away with no noticeable effort exerted to make use of the potential chemistry that was uncovered. They let him languish on the bench and that's where he's been ever since until he finally fell off of even that.

As I recall the problem with Jones and Bell when they were here and that we're now seeing with Wiseman was that they were fouling like crazy like rookies and they never got better. It should be a concern that they have such similar bad traits.

The fact of the matter is that there is zero evidence that this team knows how to develop young athletic bigs. Nearly all the bigs that have had success with this team such as Bogut, Pachulia, and McGee developed their skills elsewhere. Looney would be the exception but he isn't an athletic big. He is a big in the Bogut and Pachulia mold. The only athletic big that has had success with this team is McGee and he left for what I find to be inexplicable reasons, the only hints being dissatisfaction with Kerr with his limited usage prior to leaving. The Warriors would probably love to have McGee now on the team. Maybe fans should ask more insistently "So why isn't he here?"

In all the failed cases the trail leads back to Kerr. You guys who idolize him will have to open your eyes.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1329 » by FNQ » Wed Apr 7, 2021 6:08 pm

sonnyhill wrote:
FNQ wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
and where are Jones and Bell now? Did every team they subsequently go to drop the ball as well or did the Warriors screw them up so badly that they are forever ruined?

The Warriors coaching staff did not even have an offseason with JW and no training camp or preseason. Give them an offseason before making such statements.


The hilarious cycle of dunning-kreuger:

Poster likes a prospect
Prospect fails
It cant possibly be that that the poster was wrong about the prospect
Coach's fault for not developing the prospect the correct way
Poster knew the correct way to develop their favorite prospect all along

I challenge you to find a more useless or predictable pattern on these forums


Shouldn't the real talking points be about how best to improve the franchise, optimize the current roster and develop Wiseman?

Why are you opposed to holding the coaching staff accountable in its responsibility towards creating the best "James Wiseman development strategy?" Starting Wiseman, moving him to the bench, and then starting Wiseman is a disjointed approach for both Wiseman as well as the team; and, this is on Kerr. This board, while we may disagree from time-to-time, has insights and viewpoints (including criticizing how Kerr is below-the-bar when it comes to player development) which should be discussed and vetted.

Nobody is stating that Kerr is a bad coach. The man guided the most talented roster, at the time, to three championships. The fanbase is lucky and grateful for the championship run. This fanbase, however, is also quite astute in stating the obvious: this coaching staff has some opportunities for personal growth when it comes to player development.


People have no idea where the blame lies, so they just stick it to who their least favorite person is. Its not nuanced, no matter how you try and present it as such

If people are trying to blame the FO for Jones and Bell, they aren't serious people with serious takes.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1330 » by The411 » Wed Apr 7, 2021 6:17 pm

Kerr isn't infallible, but Bell was Bell's worst problem. He's not on the Warriors because of his own lack of work ethic and bad choices. It's easy to look like a good player when you are playing a transition game and you have other teammates who are nearly unguardable.

As for Jones maybe the Warriors could have got more from him but it doesn't look like he's more than a 2nd/3rd option at Center and 13-15 guy on the roster.

I'm not sure that these are the players to assess Kerr's weaknesses.

The bigger issue is the lack of 6'8-6'10 PF/C athletic type who has a low post game and can shoot from distance and can defend at a reasonably high level. This is where the Warriors have been negligent in their drafts.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1331 » by whatisacenter » Wed Apr 7, 2021 8:35 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:
Astute analysis and really good post.


and where are Jones and Bell now? Did every team they subsequently go to drop the ball as well or did the Warriors screw them up so badly that they are forever ruined?

The Warriors coaching staff did not even have an offseason with JW and no training camp or preseason. Give them an offseason before making such statements.


You ask "Did the Warriors screw them so bad that they were forever ruined?" I get the feeling you think the answer is "Of course not, Jones and Bell just didn't have the talent." But you know what? We really don't know, and now that you brought it up, if we're being honest it is a possibility. The first team an NBA player is on can really set the tone for that player's career.

If I'm not mistaken James Wiseman has now played more NBA minutes with the Warriors this season than Damian Jones played in all his three seasons with the team combined. Is he better than Jones yet? Jones may have been let go by the Lakers in his last stint after they signed Drummond but his play on that team from what I can tell couldn't be characterized as him being a black hole. When Jones was with the Dubs I thought he should have gotten more playing time to prepare him better. Unfortunately for him he had that injury during that critical last year with the team and he never really got back after that.

Jordan Bell had the highest plus-minus in one of the most important games in recent Warriors history. Anyone who remembers Game 7 of the Rockets series in 2018 should remember that Bell was the guy that tag-teamed with Steph during the latter part of the game to bring the Warriors back from the brink. That to me is evidence of chemistry with Steph in the most critical of times. I have no idea why the coaching staff did not seem to recognize it and was completely oblivious to it and willing to just throw it away with no noticeable effort exerted to make use of the potential chemistry that was uncovered. They let him languish on the bench and that's where he's been ever since until he finally fell off of even that.

As I recall the problem with Jones and Bell when they were here and that we're now seeing with Wiseman was that they were fouling like crazy like rookies and they never got better. It should be a concern that they have such similar bad traits.

The fact of the matter is that there is zero evidence that this team knows how to develop young athletic bigs. Nearly all the bigs that have had success with this team such as Bogut, Pachulia, and McGee developed their skills elsewhere. Looney would be the exception but he isn't an athletic big. He is a big in the Bogut and Pachulia mold. The only athletic big that has had success with this team is McGee and he left for what I find to be inexplicable reasons, the only hints being dissatisfaction with Kerr with his limited usage prior to leaving. The Warriors would probably love to have McGee now on the team. Maybe fans should ask more insistently "So why isn't he here?"

In all the failed cases the trail leads back to Kerr. You guys who idolize him will have to open your eyes.


I don't idolize Kerr or anyone but I also don't pretend to know better about the players than the front office and coaching staff who's future depends on getting the most out of the roster they have.

The Warriors were on a meteoric journey the likes the league hasn't seen in decades so it shouldn't be too shocking that the player development of players taken at the end of the first round and in the second aren't as high as players taken at the top of the draft. Jordan Bell only has himself to blame for getting bounced from the team when after his first season he thought he had arrived and did not take the offseason or training seriously. The team took a flyer on Jones who was often injured and cut bait when it was clear that he didn't have any skills besides being big.

Do I agree with everything the FO and coaching staff does? Nope, but I also believe it is kind of silly to point to a few players who have bounced around the league (McGee, Jones & Bell) as proof that they are incapable of developing talent.

Now if Wiseman comes back after an offseason, training camp and summer league at the same skill level he has after getting none of that this past offseason it will mean that they drafted or developed poorly.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1332 » by shazam_guy » Wed Apr 7, 2021 8:58 pm

I agree with Whatisacenter on almost everything here, except one (I think important) thing.

Many of the arguments online are about who "screwed up" a player, with the alternatives presented as 1) the team, or 2) the player himself. But the line between mediocre-poor and good in a top-flight professional league like the NBA is razor thin. Some players can thrive at the next level down but simply don't have that extra -something-, whether athleticism or skills or mindset, to make it big at the next level.

That doesn't mean anyone screwed up. It often means the player hit their peak but it just wasn't peaky enough.

The competition at the NBA level is freakishly intense. There's no shame getting washed out just because you were good or even great at the college level or in Euroball. But online conversations tend to focus on "Who's at fault?", as if every player problem was a case of someone messing up. Some players cannot be coached over the hump into greatness or pull themselves up to greatness with their own intensity and drive. They just aren't great and aren't going to be. It's not a crime, and it's not always someone's fault.

But fans like to find fault, mostly so they can argue that their suggestions would make things better. This skews almost all discussions about pro athletes. I've been guilty of it myself, wondering "Why doesn't someone make Hunter Pence move closer to the plate and take away the outside breaking ball?", but if I really knew, I'd be making bucks in the pros as a hitting coach.

I also know it in my own field, which a lot of people want to get into and have strong opinions about, but also do not understand at all from the outside. I have to bite my tongue when I hear outsiders talk about what's "wrong" with certain things and could be done better, because I know they would dry up and blow away long before they were capable of doing it professionally.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1333 » by WarriorGM » Wed Apr 7, 2021 9:51 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
and where are Jones and Bell now? Did every team they subsequently go to drop the ball as well or did the Warriors screw them up so badly that they are forever ruined?

The Warriors coaching staff did not even have an offseason with JW and no training camp or preseason. Give them an offseason before making such statements.


You ask "Did the Warriors screw them so bad that they were forever ruined?" I get the feeling you think the answer is "Of course not, Jones and Bell just didn't have the talent." But you know what? We really don't know, and now that you brought it up, if we're being honest it is a possibility. The first team an NBA player is on can really set the tone for that player's career.

If I'm not mistaken James Wiseman has now played more NBA minutes with the Warriors this season than Damian Jones played in all his three seasons with the team combined. Is he better than Jones yet? Jones may have been let go by the Lakers in his last stint after they signed Drummond but his play on that team from what I can tell couldn't be characterized as him being a black hole. When Jones was with the Dubs I thought he should have gotten more playing time to prepare him better. Unfortunately for him he had that injury during that critical last year with the team and he never really got back after that.

Jordan Bell had the highest plus-minus in one of the most important games in recent Warriors history. Anyone who remembers Game 7 of the Rockets series in 2018 should remember that Bell was the guy that tag-teamed with Steph during the latter part of the game to bring the Warriors back from the brink. That to me is evidence of chemistry with Steph in the most critical of times. I have no idea why the coaching staff did not seem to recognize it and was completely oblivious to it and willing to just throw it away with no noticeable effort exerted to make use of the potential chemistry that was uncovered. They let him languish on the bench and that's where he's been ever since until he finally fell off of even that.

As I recall the problem with Jones and Bell when they were here and that we're now seeing with Wiseman was that they were fouling like crazy like rookies and they never got better. It should be a concern that they have such similar bad traits.

The fact of the matter is that there is zero evidence that this team knows how to develop young athletic bigs. Nearly all the bigs that have had success with this team such as Bogut, Pachulia, and McGee developed their skills elsewhere. Looney would be the exception but he isn't an athletic big. He is a big in the Bogut and Pachulia mold. The only athletic big that has had success with this team is McGee and he left for what I find to be inexplicable reasons, the only hints being dissatisfaction with Kerr with his limited usage prior to leaving. The Warriors would probably love to have McGee now on the team. Maybe fans should ask more insistently "So why isn't he here?"

In all the failed cases the trail leads back to Kerr. You guys who idolize him will have to open your eyes.


I don't idolize Kerr or anyone but I also don't pretend to know better about the players than the front office and coaching staff who's future depends on getting the most out of the roster they have.

The Warriors were on a meteoric journey the likes the league hasn't seen in decades so it shouldn't be too shocking that the player development of players taken at the end of the first round and in the second aren't as high as players taken at the top of the draft. Jordan Bell only has himself to blame for getting bounced from the team when after his first season he thought he had arrived and did not take the offseason or training seriously. The team took a flyer on Jones who was often injured and cut bait when it was clear that he didn't have any skills besides being big.

Do I agree with everything the FO and coaching staff does? Nope, but I also believe it is kind of silly to point to a few players who have bounced around the league (McGee, Jones & Bell) as proof that they are incapable of developing talent.

Now if Wiseman comes back after an offseason, training camp and summer league at the same skill level he has after getting none of that this past offseason it will mean that they drafted or developed poorly.


I'll focus on one problem with Kerr regarding these centers I have that confounds me that I mentioned tangentially earlier. Give me a rational reason for it.

Back when the Warriors were a team winning easily they had these raw centers that they could play and develop. Instead of doing that they were benched and the main star players were given full run. Eventually the star players fell apart and got injured probably costing the Warriors a championship.

Now the Warriors don't win easily and need every win they can get. It's at this time though that Kerr has chosen to give the raw center as much play as possible even though when he plays he's dragging down the effectiveness of the other players.

Sorry I don't get it.

When it was easy to develop raw players, Kerr benched them. When it is difficult to develop a raw player he's playing Wiseman as much as possible. This makes no sense.

From the chatter I've heard and reading between the lines, it seems that while others in GSW management were leaning towards other players for the draft pick Kerr favored Wiseman. If so then Kerr has a reputational stake that is tied to Wiseman and that can explain why Wiseman has been getting minutes.

In short, Jones and Bell don't get developed when it is convenient to do so because Kerr doesn't have skin in the game with them while Wiseman does get developed even though it is inconvenient to do so because Kerr has added motivation to see him succeed. If this is the case, this isn't an objective approach to improving the team.

There's a whiff of office politics and favoritism that I get from Kerr that I just don't like. And I think as in the case of McGee and maybe Bell there have been instances where it has materially hurt the team.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1334 » by Sleepy51 » Wed Apr 7, 2021 10:05 pm

Bell sucks
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1335 » by WarriorGM » Wed Apr 7, 2021 10:11 pm

Sleepy51 wrote:Bell sucks


Wake me up when Wiseman is better than Bell was when Bell was with the Warriors.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1336 » by Sleepy51 » Wed Apr 7, 2021 10:40 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
Sleepy51 wrote:Bell sucks


Wake me up when Wiseman is better than Bell was when Bell was with the Warriors.


Okay, wake up now. Bell averaged 4 points and 3 rebounds with the Ws. He was trash
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1337 » by xdrta+ » Wed Apr 7, 2021 10:44 pm

Amazing how some people romanticize the days of Bell, Jones, even McGee when they were with the Warriors.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1338 » by WarriorGM » Wed Apr 7, 2021 10:55 pm

Sleepy51 wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
Sleepy51 wrote:Bell sucks


Wake me up when Wiseman is better than Bell was when Bell was with the Warriors.


Okay, wake up now. Bell averaged 4 points and 3 rebounds with the Ws. He was trash


You really want to do this?

Okay.

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                  PER     TS%     WS     WS/48     BPM     VORP             
Jordan Bell       12.9   .531    1.6     .096     -0.9     0.2
James Wiseman     12.7   .545    0.5     .029     -5.7    -0.8


I'll go back to sleep now.

xdrta+ wrote:Amazing how some people romanticize the days of Bell, Jones, even McGee when they were with the Warriors.


You mean the days when the Warriors were the most feared team in NBA history? Yeah what an inappropriate time to romanticize stuff for a Warriors fan.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1339 » by xdrta+ » Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:03 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:Amazing how some people romanticize the days of Bell, Jones, even McGee when they were with the Warriors.


You mean the days when the Warriors were the most feared team in NBA history? Yeah what an inappropriate time to romanticize stuff for a Warriors fan.


It's definitely strange to romanticize the role that Bell, Jones, or McGee had in that time.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1340 » by WarriorGM » Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:09 pm

xdrta+ wrote:
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xdrta+ wrote:Amazing how some people romanticize the days of Bell, Jones, even McGee when they were with the Warriors.


You mean the days when the Warriors were the most feared team in NBA history? Yeah what an inappropriate time to romanticize stuff for a Warriors fan.


It's definitely strange to romanticize the role that Bell, Jones, or McGee had in that time.


Bell as I have stated earlier played a critical role in one of the most important games of the entire championship Warriors run. It seems he is now an unsung hero of that 2018 Warriors playoffs.

McGee a player who was on the edge of being out of the NBA for good at the start of the season if I recall correctly had the highest true shooting efficiency rating of all players during the 2017 playoffs.

Don't you have any recollection whatsoever of their contributions? I guess you just aren't interested in the details.

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