Who are the bottom five starting PGs in the NBA right now?

[phanman]

By far the most overrated position in the sport. Having a great PG almost guarantees you're not a contender.

Not having a great PG almost guarantees you're not a contender, too. It's almost as if you need great players at multiple positions to have a shot at the championship.

Does it? Let's look at the current contenders.

Lakers - Schroder is decent. Never made an All-Star team.
Clippers - Rondo is decent. Hasn't made an All-Star team in 7 years.
Jazz - Conley is decent. Made one All-Star game in his career.
Nuggets - Murray is good, not great. Never made an All-Star game. His inconsistency is probably the main reason people question if the Nuggets are real contenders.
76ers - Simmons - A power-forward playing PG. His main asset is his defense, and his lack of shooting is probably the main reason people question if the 76ers are real contenders.
Nets - Kyrie - An All-Star caliber PG whose primary skill is scoring. 3rd option on his team.
Bucks - Holiday - Solid PG. Made one All-Star in his career. 3rd option on his team.
Suns - CP3 - One of the best PG's in the history of the game... and never made an NBA Final.

In the history of the NBA I can only think of TWO point guards who won titles as the best overall player on their team; Zeke and Curry. Both guys had incredibly deep and balanced rosters, and Curry just happens to be greatest shooter in the history of the sport.

You do realize that you can be a great PG and not be the best player on the team right?

[JXL]

Payton is trash. Outside of Coby White who I think is overrated, I would take any other PG and ship Payton to China.

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[BIGJ1ER]

Yup. Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron gobbled up half of the available rings in the last 30 years.

Chuck in Duncan, thats 2/3 of the last 30 years, and curry makes it 23/30.

Transcendent talents with good supporting casts win rings (maybe Duncan in 03 is the exception), it's really that simple.

If you don't have a transcendent talent, then you need a hell of a roster (04 pistons and maybe the 19 raptors - depending on where you see kawhi).

We've had transcendant talents who have either not won or hardly won simply due to a poor supporting cast (Dirk, Nash, KG etc)

That's true. I only omitted Duncan because he did in fact have a small all-star guard (and Finals MVP) next to him for most of their run. Ditto Curry, who was an MVP level point guard.

The "you can't win with a great point guard" argument seems uniquely crafted to explain why Chris Paul doesn't have a championship.

Yup it makes no sense. Cp3 has his flaws (really not too many though tbh), but he's a top 25 player of all time for a reason, if it was simply impossible to win with a top 25 player as your best player, then his all time ranking would make no sense.

I just don't think there's been that many guards who have been top 5 players in the last 30 years, which is why people seem to think it's impossible to win with them.

Cp3, curry, nash, westbrook are probably the only ones who have reached that status in any given year, and all their teams have been contenders at some point in time. Give 08/09/12-17 cp3, 15-17 westbrook (and I'm not overly high on westbrook) 05-07/10 nash top tier supporting casts like other championship rosters over that time span had, and they win rings (and multiple of those guys got extremely close and had luck and other factors impact their chance at winning during those timeframes)

[_qubik]

By far the most overrated position in the sport. Having a great PG almost guarantees you're not a contender.

Damian "Loyal" Lillard is the prime example. Those guys can torch teams on the offense, but they can be stopped and also you cant expect a lot on the defensive end of the ball.

The last to be the most important player on a winning team is the best shooter in the sport history, and do thing others cant

[BIGJ1ER]

By far the most overrated position in the sport. Having a great PG almost guarantees you're not a contender.

Damian "Loyal" Lillard is the prime example. Those guys can torch teams on the offense, but they can be stopped and also you cant expect a lot on the defensive end of the ball.

The last to be the most important player on a winning team is the best shooter in the sport history, and do thing others cant

Or maybe just because Damian Lillard isn't a championship level number one option doesn't necessarily indicate that a point guard can't be the best player on a championship roster? Dame hasn't really ever been a top 10 player, how many teams without a top 10 player on their roster?

I think Dame could win if given a stacked roster like the 19 raptors, 04 pistons, 14 spurs etc, but this is where the supermax comes into play, and paying a non top 10 guy supermax money really cripples your chances of building a solid supporting cast around that player, especially when you need a slightly stronger than normal cast around that player since he's not in the upper echelon of the elite.

[Slim Charlez]

By far the most overrated position in the sport. Having a great PG almost guarantees you're not a contender.

Not having a great PG almost guarantees you're not a contender, too. It's almost as if you need great players at multiple positions to have a shot at the championship.

Does it? Let's look at the current contenders.

Lakers - Schroder is decent. Never made an All-Star team.
Clippers - Rondo is decent. Hasn't made an All-Star team in 7 years.
Jazz - Conley is decent. Made one All-Star game in his career.
Nuggets - Murray is good, not great. Never made an All-Star game. His inconsistency is probably the main reason people question if the Nuggets are real contenders.
76ers - Simmons - A power-forward playing PG. His main asset is his defense, and his lack of shooting is probably the main reason people question if the 76ers are real contenders.
Nets - Kyrie - An All-Star caliber PG whose primary skill is scoring. 3rd option on his team.
Bucks - Holiday - Solid PG. Made one All-Star in his career. 3rd option on his team.
Suns - CP3 - One of the best PG's in the history of the game... and never made an NBA Final.

In the history of the NBA I can only think of TWO point guards who won titles as the best overall player on their team; Zeke and Curry. Both guys had incredibly deep and balanced rosters, and Curry just happens to be greatest shooter in the history of the sport.

Parker was the best player on the 14 Spurs title team also.

[Leslie Forman]

In the history of the NBA I can only think of TWO point guards who won titles as the best overall player on their team; Zeke and Curry. Both guys had incredibly deep and balanced rosters, and Curry just happens to be greatest shooter in the history of the sport.

You could make a perfectly good argument for Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups, Gus Williams, Walt Frazier, and Jerry West.

[floppymoose]

^ And of course Magic Johnson

[JN61]

By far the most overrated position in the sport. Having a great PG almost guarantees you're not a contender.

Not having a great PG almost guarantees you're not a contender, too. It's almost as if you need great players at multiple positions to have a shot at the championship.

Does it? Let's look at the current contenders.

Lakers - Schroder is decent. Never made an All-Star team.
Clippers - Rondo is decent. Hasn't made an All-Star team in 7 years.
Jazz - Conley is decent. Made one All-Star game in his career.
Nuggets - Murray is good, not great. Never made an All-Star game. His inconsistency is probably the main reason people question if the Nuggets are real contenders.
76ers - Simmons - A power-forward playing PG. His main asset is his defense, and his lack of shooting is probably the main reason people question if the 76ers are real contenders.
Nets - Kyrie - An All-Star caliber PG whose primary skill is scoring. 3rd option on his team.
Bucks - Holiday - Solid PG. Made one All-Star in his career. 3rd option on his team.
Suns - CP3 - One of the best PG's in the history of the game... and never made an NBA Final.

In the history of the NBA I can only think of TWO point guards who won titles as the best overall player on their team; Zeke and Curry. Both guys had incredibly deep and balanced rosters, and Curry just happens to be greatest shooter in the history of the sport.

You mean Thomas and Magic? Because Curry certainly wasn't that.

[HotelVitale]

By far the most overrated position in the sport. Having a great PG almost guarantees you're not a contender.

Not having a great PG almost guarantees you're not a contender, too. It's almost as if you need great players at multiple positions to have a shot at the championship.

Does it? Let's look at the current contenders.

76ers - Simmons - A power-forward playing PG. His main asset is his defense, and his lack of shooting is probably the main reason people question if the 76ers are real contenders..

Don't want to get into a big Simmons thing but obviously other big assets include him having elite vision and handle, being one of the best transition players in the game, and having a great power driving game. Him being really good at that stuff (plus defense) is one of the main reasons the 76ers might be real contenders.