OT: Paul Pierce fired by ESPN

[ReggieSlater]

Had to log in to comment on your posts - not this one in particular (though this one is similar to all the other ones)..

You've spoken down to every poster who's offered their opinion, by attempting to use big words to make a point. Its condescending and you've trailed the conversation away from the key points others are offering.

To you there doesnt exist a liberal Cancel Culture because - surprise, surprise - you're part of the group that obviously believes there is nothing wrong with it. Bias - short, 4 letter word that I'm sure you know of.

Just because you side with it, doesn't mean others who are against it or tired of it are wrong. Don't try to cancel their opinion with the loud noise of big words and condescending lectures. Doesn't add inches to your ----.

There is a growing movement of this cancel culture (or whatever fancy term some come up with, from either side of the politcal spectrum) and anyone with half a brain can feel and see that. This my opinion - and the opinion of almost everyone I talk to in person on a daily basis. It absolutely comes from the Left side of said spectrum (how others are debating that is laughable). There is a strong form of censorship starting to creep into mainstream media - wide out in the open - MY opinion.

Now of course you'll come in, make some condescending remarks about my post and how I dont know what im talking about, and how I'm wrong and big words, big words, big words... One other poster will send a bunch of left-wing links "proving" me wrong and make some rude remarks, etc. Same cycle, over and over. Because - just like Cancel Culture (for lack of a better term;), if you dont agree with something, it MUST be wrong, right?

I haven't been condescending to people. That was not my point. You have an opinion, and I have an opinion. You are trying to convince me you are right, and I am trying to illustrate that we shouldn't believe in things we don't know. Guess what. They are both "cancel culture". That's my point. If you try and define cancel culture you will eventually get to a point where cancel culture is expressing an opinion. No further separation can be made. We seek patterns in the noise, and we form ideas from them. It doesn't mean these patterns actually exist. We can't pinpoint cancel culture, we can't pinpoint agency in it, we can only look at the noise and interpret causality. This is false, that is my point. You saying I am cancel culture makes sense. I have a voice that you disagree with, therefore I am part of the problem. The opposition of your tribal alliances. I get the reasoning. We all try and homogenize belief into our own tribal boarders. You saying I'm part of the problem and I should be ignored makes sense. This way you don't have to try and internalize what I'm saying and process the dissonance. So don't, I don't care. I'm just trying to point out a more sound epistemology. If you think there is a liberal conspiracy composed of millions of social media users, politicians, actors, and corporate entities, all with the goal gaining power for each other, that is false. That can be proven false, and that is something you can't have evidence for. You can still believe it if you like. if you want to discuss how cancel culture can't actually exist, how discourse and discussion isn't new, that corporate entities protecting their brand is not new, send me a message, but I don't have to go over this over and over again.

[BDE]

Of course. Condescending remarks (I didn't read the posts and opposing views..? Lol), a reference to links, twisting my words to fit your views, calling me wrong, etc. I could have predicated this.....OH WAIT. I did..

Now of course you'll come in, make some condescending remarks about my post and how I dont know what im talking about, and how I'm wrong and big words, big words, big words... One other poster will send a bunch of left-wing links "proving" me wrong and make some rude remarks, etc. Same cycle, over and over. Because - just like Cancel Culture (for lack of a better term;), if you dont agree with something, it MUST be wrong, right?

I dont debate with those who are biased and offer nothing new to the topic.
All the best.

[ReggieSlater]

I dont debate with those who are biased and offer nothing new to the topic.

Do you feel between the two of us you have expressed less bias and offered more to the conversation?

[Fairview4Life]

I dont debate with those who are biased and offer nothing new to the topic.
All the best.

Lol

[Smoothshot555]

I dont debate with those who are biased and offer nothing new to the topic.
All the best.

Lol

Man used a phrase like “anyone with half a brain can see...” but accused someone else of being condescending. He’s speaking from a purely conservative/right wing point of view with talking points one would hear within 15 mins of tuning to fox but he’s accusing others of offering nothing new.

LOL.

[Fairview4Life]

I dont debate with those who are biased and offer nothing new to the topic.
All the best.

Lol

Man used a phrase like “anyone with half a brain can see...” but accused someone else of being condescending. He’s speaking from a purely conservative/right wing point of view with talking points one would hear within 15 mins of tuning to fox but he’s accusing others of offering nothing new.

LOL.

I like when he accused possibly the most patient person I have ever witnessed on the internet of being condescending because he used big words.

[El Mas Chingon]

Also, don't add inches to your ----

It's good to debate things though. As long as it's civilised. We gotta hear eachother out

[Smoothshot555]

Lol

Man used a phrase like “anyone with half a brain can see...” but accused someone else of being condescending. He’s speaking from a purely conservative/right wing point of view with talking points one would hear within 15 mins of tuning to fox but he’s accusing others of offering nothing new.

LOL.

I like when he accused possibly the most patient person I have ever witnessed on the internet of being condescending because he used big words.

Indeed. I believe the intellectuals call it projection mixed with cognitive dissonance. Oops. There I go being condescending now.

[Fairview4Life]

Also, don't add inches to your ----

As someone with over 50k posts I regret to inform everyone that......it doesn’t work.

[Neutral 123]

Competing ideologies are not created equal. What we have going on right now is a battle between what America was founded on, which is the rights of individuals to rule their own lives...

How was America founded on the right of individuals to rule their own lives if the founding fathers owned slaves to whom they allowed no rights and the country spent hundreds of years denying certain people basic human rights? I don’t know what’s worse; the fact that there are still people that repeat blatant lies like this in 2021 or that there are people who still take such statements at face value because they themselves don’t count slaves as “individuals” (or humans with rights) which was the same thing that the founding fathers did. Disappointed but not surprised.

This is all true, but misleading. The proper context for Slavery in America is to know that Slavery existed as a practice from the beginning of recorded human history wherever humans were.

In that proper context, what makes America and western civilization unique is that it saw the practice as wrong and fought to end it. The British went so far as to have it's own ships patrolling the coasts of Africa to stop the trade at great expense.

But again, Leftist ideology will not tell you the whole story because it is necessary to attack what this society is, to replace it with them as unquestioned rulers with total power.

This is very easy to spot as well. The way you go about destroying a free society is one, you start reducing freedoms bit by bit. More regulations, controls, laws and higher taxes means more control for the state and less for the individual.

The second part, involves destroying what is crucial for freedom. A few people must be able to control themselves or else someone must come in to control them. That is precisely why the left is so pro criminal.

That is why they will advocate for 'treatment' when they know full well there is no cure for crime, mental illness or a crisis. Destroying the moral foundation that keeps a society civil is crucial to suspend and take away freedom.

This is not new or unique either. This is the foundation for leftist thought. How can they be in control, instead of the individual. They are the talented few and as such, you do as you are told, while they are free to do as they want.

[Neutral 123]

Competing ideologies are not created equal. What we have going on right now is a battle between what America was founded on, which is the rights of individuals to rule their own lives, or to turn over those rights to people who claim to be smarter and more moral than the masses. That's the whole basis of Leftism and it's various types. The masses of people must do what some authority says for the greater good.

This is not a guiding principal or liberal politics. Progressive values want individual autonomy, this is why progressive values have been behind almost every instance of civil rights movements against authority. You can find instances from all political movements that want to control people by establishing their beliefs. Evangelicals largely reside on the conservative spectrum and have always been trying to influence both politics, cultural values, and to tell people how to think and act. Political opposition usually boils down to power and 1% tax breaks for top earners. That is hardly the difference between a coup for power and a mandate for mass control.

If you are a corporation, and you know if these people get elected, they will see nothing of interfering with your business if you aren't in their good graces, chances are you'll go along with what they want.

It's not a coincidence at all that all these corporations have gone woke despite overwhelming opposition of the general public. Most that support the left, do so because they are promised they will get things for free, having no idea that one, that's not going to happen, and two, it comes at the cost of surrendering your personal freedom. We've seen this happen over and over again.

None of this is supported by any evidence. You should consider why this is part of your foundation for your belief. Do you really think all actions can be filtered down to political influence and power without this being knowable and without any evidence? This seems to be a path to believe things that are not true.

People flee centrally planned economies to freer economies. Biden wasn't offering support, he was offering a warning. These are the types of things you will do if you want to be left alone. No one wants to become the next Amazon and be the face of greed and mistreatment etc.

Businesses go where they can make the most money. The rest of your conjecture is not supported, sorry.

You are free to believe what you want. Plenty of opinions, but I'm only pointing out where you might have a failure in your reasoning.

Progressive values absolutely do not want individual autonomy. That is antithetical to leftist thought. The ideology is one of communal benefit through a top down dictatorship. The naive ones believe that will be the outcome, but common sense and history has shown it's a disaster for the masses.

[Fairview4Life]

Well as long as we’re just saying stuff:

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

Cancel culture is nothing new. Wasn't the Reformation and the religious clashes that followed a type of cancel culture? You shouldn't have images of Christ in church or something along those lines. "That guy has an image of Christ in his home. He should not be allowed to sell his eggs in this marketplace!" (This is not accurate history by the way).

Now cancel culture may be focusing on sexual expression, among other things. This is probably because images are blasted at us all day and night from our tech. Some people are tolerant and some people are not. It seems kind of odd for us to be talking about it like it is something new. Isn't it?

Look back at when the printing press changed the way information was disseminated. It took societies decades to adjust. People were printing all sorts of weird misinformation. You couldn't believe everything you read, much like today. The English revolution and French revolutions all have the printing press to thank. The iPhone came out in the mid-oughts (I don't feel like googling the exact date). Facebook came out in 2008. Myspace even earlier, no? 15 or so years of all this. Just a new way to push my/your (our) opinions. Go watch the Capitol riots. You can thank social media and the smartphone for that. Different ideologies, different tech. Just that humans have fragmented into smaller units that follow ideologies that are peppered across the entire spectrum. You can find all sorts of niche groups that could get together online and bloat to thousands of members across North America.

The media doesn't know what to do about this. Someone mentioned that we don't have those water cooler moments anymore. No more watching the moon landing with everyone else. No more watching the Seinfeld finale along with the entire continent.

Businesses/corporations/conglomerates are adjusting to the way individuals find their niche and trying to survive. Sex sells for some brands. Sex does not sell for other brands. Viewers who watch the Grammys are a different demographic than viewers that watch ESPN analysts yap about some ridiculous stat that no one will remember in a week.

My point is, EVERYONE is adjusting. Can we all see that? People are able to organize into units of very strong opinions on any dumb idea, and some good ideas (it's not all bad).

All in all you have to watch yourself online. Everything you post is permanent. If you post an obscene image or video, there will likely be consequences unless you are an adult entertainer or it is on brand in some way. However, don't be fooled that this is some new phenomenon.

[Smoothshot555]

Competing ideologies are not created equal. What we have going on right now is a battle between what America was founded on, which is the rights of individuals to rule their own lives...

How was America founded on the right of individuals to rule their own lives if the founding fathers owned slaves to whom they allowed no rights and the country spent hundreds of years denying certain people basic human rights? I don’t know what’s worse; the fact that there are still people that repeat blatant lies like this in 2021 or that there are people who still take such statements at face value because they themselves don’t count slaves as “individuals” (or humans with rights) which was the same thing that the founding fathers did. Disappointed but not surprised.

This is all true, but misleading. The proper context for Slavery in America is to know that Slavery existed as a practice from the beginning of recorded human history wherever humans were.

In that proper context, what makes America and western civilization unique is that it saw the practice as wrong and fought to end it. The British went so far as to have it's own ships patrolling the coasts of Africa to stop the trade at great expense.

But again, Leftist ideology will not tell you the whole story because it is necessary to attack what this society is, to replace it with them as unquestioned rulers with total power.

This is very easy to spot as well. The way you go about destroying a free society is one, you start reducing freedoms bit by bit. More regulations, controls, laws and higher taxes means more control for the state and less for the individual.

The second part, involves destroying what is crucial for freedom. A few people must be able to control themselves or else someone must come in to control them. That is precisely why the left is so pro criminal.

That is why they will advocate for 'treatment' when they know full well there is no cure for crime, mental illness or a crisis. Destroying the moral foundation that keeps a society civil is crucial to suspend and take away freedom.

This is not new or unique either. This is the foundation for leftist thought. How can they be in control, instead of the individual. They are the talented few and as such, you do as you are told, while they are free to do as they want.

Translation for those reading the above:

You’re right America was founded on a falsehood, but that’s misleading because black people not being regarded as humans with rights was normal back then in western society so in the “context” of the era the statement is true. Also,western society didn’t start slavery, it’s always been a thing and they stopped the slave trade eventually out of the goodness of their hearts unlike other slaveowners in history so give em props.

Smh.

[TorontoRapsFan]

Competing ideologies are not created equal. What we have going on right now is a battle between what America was founded on, which is the rights of individuals to rule their own lives...

How was America founded on the right of individuals to rule their own lives if the founding fathers owned slaves to whom they allowed no rights and the country spent hundreds of years denying certain people basic human rights? I don’t know what’s worse; the fact that there are still people that repeat blatant lies like this in 2021 or that there are people who still take such statements at face value because they themselves don’t count slaves as “individuals” (or humans with rights) which was the same thing that the founding fathers did. Disappointed but not surprised.

This is all true, but misleading. The proper context for Slavery in America is to know that Slavery existed as a practice from the beginning of recorded human history wherever humans were.

In that proper context, what makes America and western civilization unique is that it saw the practice as wrong and fought to end it. The British went so far as to have it's own ships patrolling the coasts of Africa to stop the trade at great expense.

But again, Leftist ideology will not tell you the whole story because it is necessary to attack what this society is, to replace it with them as unquestioned rulers with total power.

This is very easy to spot as well. The way you go about destroying a free society is one, you start reducing freedoms bit by bit. More regulations, controls, laws and higher taxes means more control for the state and less for the individual.

The second part, involves destroying what is crucial for freedom. A few people must be able to control themselves or else someone must come in to control them. That is precisely why the left is so pro criminal.

That is why they will advocate for 'treatment' when they know full well there is no cure for crime, mental illness or a crisis. Destroying the moral foundation that keeps a society civil is crucial to suspend and take away freedom.

This is not new or unique either. This is the foundation for leftist thought. How can they be in control, instead of the individual. They are the talented few and as such, you do as you are told, while they are free to do as they want.

I really don't want to argue with you. I'll just point out, the first instance of banning slavery in history was done close to 2500 years ago by Cyrus the Great when the Persian Empire was created.

Another thing for you, if you really care to understand, is that while the overtly oppressive modern regimes fall under openly authoritarian governments, the most conformist and conformed population is the one that has been selling itself as the bastion of individual right and freedom.

But like I said, I don't want to argue. If you really care go and see why American 'individuality' was recognized to be the most dangerous condition for actual individual autonomy over 200 years ago. And it didn't end there. Over and over 'Americanism' and the American social system has been identified as something that continuously takes away a person's capacity for thinking. You talk about freedoms being taken away bit by bit, but freedom in terms of objects and choice to 'busy' yourself with is what you're talking about, while what makes you a person, the ability to be able to see and interpret and think for yourself is constantly being denied you. What you're thinking is so great is basically keeping people as dumb as infants while throwing toys in front of them and telling them getting to play is what freedom is all about. From sociology/anthropology to psychology, individual to group and social, the American individualism model has been found to produce and demand conformity down to the bones. But I have a feeling you'll think all that research and writing is 'leftist' non sense.

[Double Bubble]

Of course. Condescending remarks (I didn't read the posts and opposing views..? Lol), a reference to links, twisting my words to fit your views, calling me wrong, etc. I could have predicated this.....OH WAIT. I did..

Now of course you'll come in, make some condescending remarks about my post and how I dont know what im talking about, and how I'm wrong and big words, big words, big words... One other poster will send a bunch of left-wing links "proving" me wrong and make some rude remarks, etc. Same cycle, over and over. Because - just like Cancel Culture (for lack of a better term;), if you dont agree with something, it MUST be wrong, right?

I dont debate with those who are biased and offer nothing new to the topic.
All the best.

It’s truly futile arguing anything with blue pill sheep. Ideology is for the weak minded, those people don’t like being challenged let them enjoy their delusions

Pierce is a clown though

[Fairview4Life]

It’s truly futile arguing anything with blue pill sheep. Ideology is for the weak minded, those people don’t like being challenged let them enjoy their delusions

Lol

[Jcity08]

Feels like 14 pages in, the conversation has far exceeded the original intent of this thread.

[Double Bubble]

It’s truly futile arguing anything with blue pill sheep. Ideology is for the weak minded, those people don’t like being challenged let them enjoy their delusions

Lol

You don’t miss a post on here do you

[milkii]

i don't mind paul pierce being fired. there's something i don't like about that guy.