How much Better is PG-13 Than Tobias?

Hussien Fatal · Post #1 » by **Hussien Fatal** » Thu Apr 8, 2021 2:14 pm

George: 22, 6, 5 and 3.2topg with 47/43/89 splits

Tobias: 21, 7, 4 and 1.9topg with 52/40/90 splits

Both players are plus defenders with pg having the better reputation on that end but Tobias is greatly improved on that end.

But my question to you is how much better is PG than Tobias really?

rzzzzz · Post #2 » by **rzzzzz** » Thu Apr 8, 2021 2:20 pm

Well you’d suspect that Doc is hoping Tobias will perform better for him than PG-20 did in the playoffs. (Pretty interesting story about how well Harris did with Doc before getting traded to Philly, then the fall off under Brett, and now back to at least near all star with Doc again.)

TheNewEra · Post #3 » by **TheNewEra** » Thu Apr 8, 2021 2:24 pm

Tobias is a plus defender now?

LakersSoul · Post #4 » by **LakersSoul** » Thu Apr 8, 2021 2:24 pm

Tobias is playing extremely well. PG is a bigger name but in honesty I don’t know if PG is better than Tobias.

PG is considered an excellent defender and scorer. PG feel so streaky to me and his defense has lost a half step. Tobias has been healthy and really consistent.

Hussien Fatal · Post #5 » by **Hussien Fatal** » Thu Apr 8, 2021 2:30 pm

TheNewEra wrote:Tobias is a plus defender now?

Absolutely! Dude is actually dare I say a good defensive player. He is strong in the post and quick enough to guard all the power forwards he faces. (See his last battle against Julius Randle)

He even almost averages 1bpg and 1spg.

Lockdown504090 · Post #6 » by **Lockdown504090** » Thu Apr 8, 2021 2:53 pm

TheNewEra wrote:Tobias is a plus defender now?

i know, its crazy, but he is now.

dhsilv2 · Post #7 » by **dhsilv2** » Thu Apr 8, 2021 3:07 pm

Lets see here.

George is 6th in RPM and is balanced between offensive and defensive impact, effectively being allstar level on either side.

Harris at 2.69 and being an impact level guy on both sides.

Yeah George grades out in metrics as about twice the impact on offense and defense.

Now a lot of people will want to discuss the playoffs last year, but again those should just be ignored completely with the oddities of playing in that bubble. Or worse the prior year where George was clearly hurt. Those two very understandably bad situations seem to have tainted a guy who's play and results are of a legit all nba player and it's a real shame.

Raps in 4 · Post #8 » by **Raps in 4** » Thu Apr 8, 2021 3:21 pm

PG is much better.

GSP · Post #9 » by **GSP** » Thu Apr 8, 2021 3:24 pm

Why are "He isn't better than Tobias" and "Tobias is better" both different options when theyre the same thing? Did you mean to put Pg is slightly or clearly better? Pm if you need advice on poll options 8-)

Hussien Fatal · Post #10 » by **Hussien Fatal** » Fri Apr 9, 2021 9:33 am

GSP wrote:Why are "He isn't better than Tobias" and "Tobias is better" both different options when theyre the same thing? Did you mean to put Pg is slightly or clearly better? Pm if you need advice on poll options

Lol I got rid of the last option, I guess I meant they are even by saying he isn’t better than Tobias. But I fixed it.

Hussien Fatal · Post #11 » by **Hussien Fatal** » Fri Apr 9, 2021 9:33 am

Raps in 4 wrote:PG is much better.

Is he though? What makes him better?

Dutchball97 · Post #12 » by **Dutchball97** » Fri Apr 9, 2021 9:38 am

Tobias has exceeded expectations this season by playing at a legit All-Star level but I still have Paul George ahead.

Dupp · Post #13 » by **Dupp** » Fri Apr 9, 2021 9:55 am

Why’d you even bother making the thread and putting such stupid poll options?

Pelly24 · Post #14 » by **Pelly24** » Fri Apr 9, 2021 11:02 am

Paul George is better. I never just look at one season as though that’s representative of everything a player is always. PG is an elite defender and a very good scorer. People make fun of Pg for his playoffs last year (I know I did), but Tobias from what I remember has just been ghastly in the postseason. So with all said, Tobias has no advantage and there’s no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.

donnieme · Post #15 » by **donnieme** » Fri Apr 9, 2021 11:18 am

Hussien Fatal wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:PG is much better.

Is he though? What makes him better?

Better shot creator, better passer and has done it longer against more defensive attention. PG is still guarded like an all star. One is prretty much a rich man's version of the other

Hussien Fatal · Post #16 » by **Hussien Fatal** » Fri Apr 9, 2021 11:50 am

Dupp wrote:Why’d you even bother making the thread and putting such stupid poll options?

Why are you here?

Dupp · Post #17 » by **Dupp** » Fri Apr 9, 2021 11:52 am

Hussien Fatal wrote:
Dupp wrote:Why’d you even bother making the thread and putting such stupid poll options?

Why are you here?

I came for the question.

Hussien Fatal · Post #18 » by **Hussien Fatal** » Fri Apr 9, 2021 11:53 am

donnieme wrote:
Hussien Fatal wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:PG is much better.

Is he though? What makes him better?

Better shot creator, better passer and has done it longer against more defensive attention. PG is still guarded like an all star. One is prretty much a rich man's version of the other

Tobias has his advantages as well, like being a better rebounder and a much better post player. Also he takes much better care of the ball. Not so sure pg has some huge advantage in playmaking if at all, considering they have similar ast/to ratios with Tobias having an advantage in that department. Defense at this stage isn’t in Tobias’ favor but he isn’t far behind.

LloydFree · Post #19 » by **LloydFree** » Fri Apr 9, 2021 11:56 am

Hussien Fatal wrote:George: 22, 6, 5 and 3.2topg with 47/43/89 splits

Tobias: 21, 7, 4 and 1.9topg with 52/40/90 splits

Both players are plus defenders with pg having the better reputation on that end but Tobias is greatly improved on that end.

But my question to you is how much better is PG than Tobias really?

I'm a 76ers fan and a fan of Tobias Harris, who's having a great year, but this is silly. You go overboard with some of these topics.

This isn't baseball. You can't just throw up some counting stats and say "this player is equal to this player." Basketball doesn't work that way.

Hussien Fatal · Post #20 » by **Hussien Fatal** » Fri Apr 9, 2021 12:12 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Hussien Fatal wrote:George: 22, 6, 5 and 3.2topg with 47/43/89 splits

Tobias: 21, 7, 4 and 1.9topg with 52/40/90 splits

Both players are plus defenders with pg having the better reputation on that end but Tobias is greatly improved on that end.

But my question to you is how much better is PG than Tobias really?

I'm a 76ers fan and a fan of Tobias Harris, who's having a great year, but this is silly. You go overboard with some of these topics.

This isn't baseball. You can't just throw up some counting stats and say "this player is equal to this player." Basketball doesn't work that way.

Huh? Counting stats? Would you have liked me to use ts% or PER? If I did they are identical. Not once did I say Tobias is equal to or better than pg (nice attempt at derailing my thread). I am simply asking how much better is he than Tobias. If you ask me you made yourself look silly by completely misinterpreting what this thread is about.

Is this a basketball forum or not? Am I not allowed to ask questions about certain players or relay my opinion on certain players. You my friend got the game twisted.