2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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High potential, but there's zero chance we take any international prospects for the next few years


Plus he doesn't seem to be much of a scorer.

[bleedblue3303]

Can someone please be so kind and tell me what happened to Scottie Lewis. Wasn't he top 5 recruit coming out of highschool. Didn't hear much about him last year of this year.

He hit a ceiling offensively in college and couldn't take the next step with his skill level to break through it. Kid's still a ton of fun to watch defend and his shot's come along well enough to profile as a quality role player, but what on-ball potential people may have once thought he had is now definitely gone.

I still like him a lot for what he is, but a more defensively-dynamic version of Bullock is pretty much his best-case scenario.

Could the scheme or coaching or team have hindered him? I remeber watching video of him in high school thinking this kid is going to be amazing. I hope there's still a chance for him. Even thought defensive-dynamic Bullock is still a nice career. Hoping the kid reaches greatness.

[cgf]

Can someone please be so kind and tell me what happened to Scottie Lewis. Wasn't he top 5 recruit coming out of highschool. Didn't hear much about him last year of this year.

He hit a ceiling offensively in college and couldn't take the next step with his skill level to break through it. Kid's still a ton of fun to watch defend and his shot's come along well enough to profile as a quality role player, but what on-ball potential people may have once thought he had is now definitely gone.

I still like him a lot for what he is, but a more defensively-dynamic version of Bullock is pretty much his best-case scenario.

Could the scheme or coaching or team have hindered him? I remeber watching video of him in high school thinking this kid is going to be amazing. I hope there's still a chance for him. Even thought defensive-dynamic Bullock is still a nice career. Hoping the kid reaches greatness.

I don't think so. Creating with the ball in his hands just doesn't seem to be his game as he moves up the levels. I love his defensive instincts and the way he uses his athleticism on that end, while the progress he's made as a catch-n-shoot guy makes me pretty confident that he should be able to contribute enough to get that exciting defense on the court...but on offense, he's very basic / primitive, and I haven't seen the kind of flashes when I've watched Florida, that would suggest Lewis has the skill or vision/creativity in his toolbox to become a significant on-ball creator & just hasn't been put in the position to show that off.

He does seem like the kinda kid you wouldn't want to bet against with how hard he plays, but he's a pure 3&D prospect to me. I think he's just one of those kids whose athletic advantages were enough against HSers to look like a dynamic slasher in the making, but as those athletic advantages have gotten smaller, his skill & creativity with the ball in his hands has proven to be too limited to compensate.

[newyorker4ever]

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I'm all about going for J.Giddey.

[newyorker4ever]

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High potential, but there's zero chance we take any international prospects for the next few years


Plus he doesn't seem to be much of a scorer.

I thought Walt Perrin was all about the International scouting?

F the scoring, the kid can play PG and he can score but just isn't what he's out there trying to do every game. Too busy playing PG...

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I'm all about going for J.Giddey.

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[DickGrayson]

Wizards should take Mitchell at 6.

I wonder who's on the Knicks radar, we got a top 15, 21, and 33 pick currently.

[HEZI]

Just took a peak at tankathon to kind of get an idea of what the lotto looks like corrently and realized that Orlando currently has two top 10 picks thanks to the Bulls. What were the Bulls thinking with that awful trade? They still suck and gave up a bunch of assets for Vucevic who hasn't made them any better and is over 30? Anyway nice job Orlando, they even have a high 2nd rounder this year.

[louisorr]

I'm not seeing Matthew Mayer -he of the mullet- in any mocks. He sure looked good as a 3 level scorer/4th option end of shot clock type. I think it was Kenny Smith who mentioned in passing that he would be a sure fire pro.

[knickstape4ever]

Just took a peak at tankathon to kind of get an idea of what the lotto looks like corrently and realized that Orlando currently has two top 10 picks thanks to the Bulls. What were the Bulls thinking with that awful trade? They still suck and gave up a bunch of assets for Vucevic who hasn't made them any better and is over 30? Anyway nice job Orlando, they even have a high 2nd rounder this year.

the pick is top 4 protected

I don't think it's an awful trade at all considering that if the Bulls end up in the lottery, they still have a shot at a top 4 pick. and if they don't land a top 4 pick, chances are that whoever the Magic take at 9/10 is not gonna have the same type of impact that Vuc will have

[HEZI]

Just took a peak at tankathon to kind of get an idea of what the lotto looks like corrently and realized that Orlando currently has two top 10 picks thanks to the Bulls. What were the Bulls thinking with that awful trade? They still suck and gave up a bunch of assets for Vucevic who hasn't made them any better and is over 30? Anyway nice job Orlando, they even have a high 2nd rounder this year.

the pick is top 4 protected

I don't think it's an awful trade at all considering that if the Bulls end up in the lottery, they still have a shot at a top 4 pick. and if they don't land a top 4 pick, chances are that whoever the Magic take at 9/10 is not gonna have the same type of impact that Vuc will have

What impact did Vuc provide though? Orlando looks about the same as they did before trading him and Chicago looks the same, maybe even worse now especially defensively, as they did before getting him. Orlando should have started their rebuild sooner, I thought they waited too long but they finally came to their senses and made the obvious move. Chicago, terrible move. If they were a piece away I'd get it but they weren't and should have just waited for a better player to put their chips in for. They need to hope that the pick somehow jumps into the top 4 and there's a very slim chance that happens.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Just took a peak at tankathon to kind of get an idea of what the lotto looks like corrently and realized that Orlando currently has two top 10 picks thanks to the Bulls. What were the Bulls thinking with that awful trade? They still suck and gave up a bunch of assets for Vucevic who hasn't made them any better and is over 30? Anyway nice job Orlando, they even have a high 2nd rounder this year.

It was a panic move to try to entice Lavine to stay. He put up 50 points last night and they still lost. What makes it even worse they’re giving up another pick on top of this lottery pick. That roster still stinks even with Vuc and basically no way to upgrade it either. They’ve really made our life much easier if we’re planning to target Lavine next year in free agency.

[knickstape4ever]

Just took a peak at tankathon to kind of get an idea of what the lotto looks like corrently and realized that Orlando currently has two top 10 picks thanks to the Bulls. What were the Bulls thinking with that awful trade? They still suck and gave up a bunch of assets for Vucevic who hasn't made them any better and is over 30? Anyway nice job Orlando, they even have a high 2nd rounder this year.

the pick is top 4 protected

I don't think it's an awful trade at all considering that if the Bulls end up in the lottery, they still have a shot at a top 4 pick. and if they don't land a top 4 pick, chances are that whoever the Magic take at 9/10 is not gonna have the same type of impact that Vuc will have

What impact did Vuc provide though? Orlando looks about the same as they did before trading him and Chicago looks the same, maybe even worse now especially defensively, as they did before getting him. Orlando should have started their rebuild sooner, I thought they waited too long but they finally came to their senses and made the obvious move. Chicago, terrible move. If they were a piece away I'd get it but they weren't and should have just waited for a better player to put their chips in for. They need to hope that the pick somehow jumps into the top 4 and there's a very slim chance that happens.

Vuc is a legit 2nd option. before they didn't have one. some nights it would be Lauri, some nights Coby, but both are too inconsistent

Bulls will get better. they're still learning to play w/ each other after adding 3 new rotation players

realistically is the player selected at 9/10 gonna have the same impact as Vuc? probably not, especially not over the next 2-3 years

[knickstape4ever]

Just took a peak at tankathon to kind of get an idea of what the lotto looks like corrently and realized that Orlando currently has two top 10 picks thanks to the Bulls. What were the Bulls thinking with that awful trade? They still suck and gave up a bunch of assets for Vucevic who hasn't made them any better and is over 30? Anyway nice job Orlando, they even have a high 2nd rounder this year.

It was a panic move to try to entice Lavine to stay. He put up 50 points last night and they still lost. What makes it even worse they’re giving up another pick on top of this lottery pick. That roster still stinks even with Vuc and basically no way to upgrade it either. They’ve really made our life much easier if we’re planning to target Lavine next year in free agency.

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the picks are protected

late lotto picks aren't likely gonna have the same impact as Vuc, who's an all-star

if the Bulls don't make the playoffs, that pick is gonna be in the 9-11 range. currently ESPN has Franz Wagner, Scottie Barnes, and Isaiah Jackson as players 9-11. Vuc is a higher impact player than any of those guys right away. Barnes has some nice upside, but he's also got a major hole in his game (shooting). for the next 2-3 years, Vuc likely makes them better than anyone taken in that range

[HEZI]

the pick is top 4 protected

I don't think it's an awful trade at all considering that if the Bulls end up in the lottery, they still have a shot at a top 4 pick. and if they don't land a top 4 pick, chances are that whoever the Magic take at 9/10 is not gonna have the same type of impact that Vuc will have

What impact did Vuc provide though? Orlando looks about the same as they did before trading him and Chicago looks the same, maybe even worse now especially defensively, as they did before getting him. Orlando should have started their rebuild sooner, I thought they waited too long but they finally came to their senses and made the obvious move. Chicago, terrible move. If they were a piece away I'd get it but they weren't and should have just waited for a better player to put their chips in for. They need to hope that the pick somehow jumps into the top 4 and there's a very slim chance that happens.

Vuc is a legit 2nd option. before they didn't have one. some nights it would be Lauri, some nights Coby, but both are too inconsistent

Bulls will get better. they're still learning to play w/ each other after adding 3 new rotation players

realistically is the player selected at 9/10 gonna have the same impact as Vuc? probably not, especially not over the next 2-3 years

They traded Wendell Carter Jr. and two first round picks for a 30 year old center who doesn't move the needle for them. I think if they were more patient they could have done better with those assets even use Lauri as part of a bigger trade for better value overall.

[HEZI]

Just took a peak at tankathon to kind of get an idea of what the lotto looks like corrently and realized that Orlando currently has two top 10 picks thanks to the Bulls. What were the Bulls thinking with that awful trade? They still suck and gave up a bunch of assets for Vucevic who hasn't made them any better and is over 30? Anyway nice job Orlando, they even have a high 2nd rounder this year.

It was a panic move to try to entice Lavine to stay. He put up 50 points last night and they still lost. What makes it even worse they’re giving up another pick on top of this lottery pick. That roster still stinks even with Vuc and basically no way to upgrade it either. They’ve really made our life much easier if we’re planning to target Lavine next year in free agency.

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the picks are protected

late lotto picks aren't likely gonna have the same impact as Vuc, who's an all-star

if the Bulls don't make the playoffs, that pick is gonna be in the 9-11 range. currently ESPN has Franz Wagner, Scottie Barnes, and Isaiah Jackson as players 9-11. Vuc is a higher impact player than any of those guys right away. Barnes has some nice upside, but he's also got a major hole in his game (shooting). for the next 2-3 years, Vuc likely makes them better than anyone taken in that range

So if they don't make the playoffs what exactly did that trade accomplish for them? We're talking about them missing the playoffs in the weak East and regardless of what value you think will or won't come out of the pick, they are basically right where they were before the trade except with less draft capital and a 30 year old center on a max deal.

[knickstape4ever]

What impact did Vuc provide though? Orlando looks about the same as they did before trading him and Chicago looks the same, maybe even worse now especially defensively, as they did before getting him. Orlando should have started their rebuild sooner, I thought they waited too long but they finally came to their senses and made the obvious move. Chicago, terrible move. If they were a piece away I'd get it but they weren't and should have just waited for a better player to put their chips in for. They need to hope that the pick somehow jumps into the top 4 and there's a very slim chance that happens.

Vuc is a legit 2nd option. before they didn't have one. some nights it would be Lauri, some nights Coby, but both are too inconsistent

Bulls will get better. they're still learning to play w/ each other after adding 3 new rotation players

realistically is the player selected at 9/10 gonna have the same impact as Vuc? probably not, especially not over the next 2-3 years

They traded Wendell Carter Jr. and two first round picks for a 30 year old center who doesn't move the needle for them. I think if they were more patient they could have done better with those assets even use Lauri as part of a bigger trade for better value overall.

I'm a big Wendell fan, but he wasn't playing well. I just don't see the 9th/10th pick being used on a player who'd have the same impact as Vuc for the next few years

[knickstape4ever]

What impact did Vuc provide though? Orlando looks about the same as they did before trading him and Chicago looks the same, maybe even worse now especially defensively, as they did before getting him. Orlando should have started their rebuild sooner, I thought they waited too long but they finally came to their senses and made the obvious move. Chicago, terrible move. If they were a piece away I'd get it but they weren't and should have just waited for a better player to put their chips in for. They need to hope that the pick somehow jumps into the top 4 and there's a very slim chance that happens.

Vuc is a legit 2nd option. before they didn't have one. some nights it would be Lauri, some nights Coby, but both are too inconsistent

Bulls will get better. they're still learning to play w/ each other after adding 3 new rotation players

realistically is the player selected at 9/10 gonna have the same impact as Vuc? probably not, especially not over the next 2-3 years

They traded Wendell Carter Jr. and two first round picks for a 30 year old center who doesn't move the needle for them. I think if they were more patient they could have done better with those assets even use Lauri as part of a bigger trade for better value overall.

if they don't make the playoffs, they'd still have a shot in the lottery to land a top 4 pick. the franchise-changing talent is 1-5, and that's what the Bulls are basically saying when they made the trade: if Vuc helps them make the playoffs, great, if not still retain the chances of landing one of the top draft talents. the trade signified they also don't think a late lotto pick would have the same impact as Vuc

[Chanel Bomber]

Vuc is a legit 2nd option. before they didn't have one. some nights it would be Lauri, some nights Coby, but both are too inconsistent

Bulls will get better. they're still learning to play w/ each other after adding 3 new rotation players

realistically is the player selected at 9/10 gonna have the same impact as Vuc? probably not, especially not over the next 2-3 years

They traded Wendell Carter Jr. and two first round picks for a 30 year old center who doesn't move the needle for them. I think if they were more patient they could have done better with those assets even use Lauri as part of a bigger trade for better value overall.

I'm a big Wendell fan, but he wasn't playing well. I just don't see the 9th/10th pick being used on a player who'd have the same impact as Vuc for the next few years

But what impact does Vuc actually have?

A scoring center who can't really protect the rim or defend in space puts a ceiling on his team. Before you bring up Jokic, he is a complete outlier and in a different stratosphere than Vuc entirely.

I think that trade was a major W for Orlando and a big fat L for Chicago.

They lost one talented young player and TWO shots at adding quality talent on their roster via the draft for what. The 8th seed next year?

Vuc is a fringe All-Star who doesn't really impact games and who's on the wrong side of 30. Plus, as a Euro, I don't think his presence on the team has the same pull for Lavine as a Randle would have for instance. Maybe Lavine helped him settle in Chicago simply because he's a good teammate, and there really isn't more to it. We'll see if that energy's still there when Chicago struggle to make the playoffs next year.

The Bulls are a mess.

[RandlesCornrows]

I want Mooses Moody/James Bouknight and Jared Butler. if we’re hovering around 15-20 with our pick, we can definitely package the Pistons second and our pick to move and take Bouknight.

Mike Conley — Jared Butler
James Bouknight — Immanuel Quickley
R.J. Barrett — Alec Burks
Julius Randle — Obi Toppin
Mitchell Robinson — Nerlens Noel

What a great organization we’ve become the fact that we could pull this off