Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Joe Johnson workout, pg 97

[Fotis St]

I have posted over 100 trade ideas involving Khris.... maybe basketball Gods made us suffer only to see him matching Steph Curry's contract.
I really wish Steph Loves Giannis and forces his way to the Bucks.

[crowhead76]

So who should the Bucks fill the last roster spot with. I am not sure there is anyone available that will see any significant minutes.

[coolhandluke121]

So who should the Bucks fill the last roster spot with. I am not sure there is anyone available that will see any significant minutes.

If they didn't sign anybody before the 4/9 deadline to be eligible for the playoffs, I doubt they're going to sign anyone now. I'm a little surprised because they could have fit another prorated vet min contract under the tax threshold, but whatever - not much playing time for a guy like Rivers anyway. $500k in the owners' pockets!

[crowhead76]

So who should the Bucks fill the last roster spot with. I am not sure there is anyone available that will see any significant minutes.

If they didn't sign anybody before the 4/9 deadline to be eligible for the playoffs, I doubt they're going to sign anyone now. I'm a little surprised because they could have fit another prorated vet min contract under the tax threshold, but whatever - not much playing time for a guy like Rivers anyway. $500k in the owners' pockets!

Players just needed to be waived by yesterday to be playoff eligible I believe.

This rule is often the source of confusion. A player who is released by a team doesn’t have to sign with a new team by April 9 in order to be playoff-eligible this spring. He simply has to be waived by his current team before the end of the day on April 9th.

As long as he’s no longer under contract by 11:59 pm ET on April 9, a player could theoretically wait until the last day of the regular season to sign with a new club and still retain his postseason eligibility. But if he’s cut on April 10 instead, he loses that postseason eligibility.

[coolhandluke121]

Players just needed to be waived by yesterday to be playoff eligible I believe.

This rule is often the source of confusion. A player who is released by a team doesn’t have to sign with a new team by April 9 in order to be playoff-eligible this spring. He simply has to be waived by his current team before the end of the day on April 9th.

As long as he’s no longer under contract by 11:59 pm ET on April 9, a player could theoretically wait until the last day of the regular season to sign with a new club and still retain his postseason eligibility. But if he’s cut on April 10 instead, he loses that postseason eligibility.

Thanks for the clarification. I still think they would have already signed someone if they planned to add anyone else, unless there has been a recent waiver of note worth considering. Most waiver candidates are available shortly after the trade deadline, but I suppose someone else could be on the market as of a day or two ago.

I'm almost certain they could have fit one more prorated vet min deal under the tax threshold as of the start of April. It's possible they were waiting to see if something better came along before signing Austin Rivers or some other castoff, but I would think they would want someone on board and getting acclimated as soon as possible, rather than waiting as long as they have.

[crowhead76]

Khem Birch, Gary Clark, and Jerome Robinson clear waivers today, Darius Miller who Jrue played with for a few years clears waivers tomorrow.

Once they were able to add Teague to play backup PG minutes I am guessing they wanted to wait to see if a guy like Otto Porter Jr or Avery Bradley ended up available to fill the last spot.

I have a feeling Darius Miller will be the final guy added to provide more outside shooting.

[-Jragon-]

Caldwell Pope, Danny Green
Danny Green, Norman Powell
Klay Thompson, Shaun Livingston
Klay Thompson, Shaun Livingston
J.R. Smith, Richard Jefferson/Iman Shumpert
Klay Thompson, Shaun Livingston

If remove the obvious, Klay Thompson from the list of SG the last 6 years, which of those guys are better than Donte? That is why I think the point you are trying to make is, well, not a good one. Or said another way, which of the guys other Klay struck fear into the heart of their opponent?

Serious right now? Sure ok let's do this then.

1st - Donte is a tweener guard Kyrie will be faster and get past while Harden can just go through him. Danny Green is 6'6 real SG size and a former all defensive NBA to boot. Plus he is a historic, consistent big nuts playoff shooter. Donte can't even be consistent in a regular season road trip.

2nd - Powell is a tweener too but one that can flat out score idk what to tell you other than I'd trade Donte for him in a heartbeat.

3rd - your list is irrelevant unless LeBron and Kyrie/AD are coming to play with Donte. Here's the list that's relevant to whether someone would give up their first for Donte. Where does he fit on this list?

https://fadeawayworld.net/2021/02/18/ranking-the-best-nba-shooting-guards-by-tiers-2/

Oh that's right, he's not even on it because only Milwaukee thinks he's good and worth a first round pick. Tier 7 maybe before he gets mentioned? 31 shooting guards get mentioned and Donte isn't even there because some teams have backups better than him, we see them all the time lighting us up but you're blind to it because you're up to you're elbows deep in Donte's advanced stats circle jerk juice.

DDV should theoretically do well defending against Irving. Harden goes through everyone. Danny green has been a meme for the last couple years.

You just tried to cite some random website to try to prove your point. Is this real life? Only Milwaukee thinks he's good and worth a first round pick? So you think he's not even worth a 1st round pick, despite being a mid 1st himself and only increasing his stock.

We have the 3rd best record in the East and he's our starting SG so I challenge you.. find me one SG ranking list where he's top 30. There are 30 teams so it shouldn't be hard right?

Here's the problem with someone giving us a first for him now. They only get one more year of rookie deal then a messy situation in Restricted FA where a sh#t team like Detroit offers him 60 mil for 4 years f#ck that bye bro. A losing team with a nice pick can draft there own guy and get 4 years before RFA. Now if it were a contender that needs one dude to get over the edge.... is that Donte? No, they'll use it and another guy to get a Bogdon or someone that actually that missing piece. Last summer with 2 years left he had value, now that value is leaving since it's decision time and he hasn't proven any consistency.

Losing teams pay these average dudes 12 to 18 mil.. we should not match that instead keep recruiting guys that want to try for a Chip with Giannis and give you similar production at 5 to 8 mil for 1 to 3 years or buyout guys like Teague every year since we have 3 max guys already. Now if you think us or any other team should automatically match any offer then we're just in different places. If he goes on a tear in the playoffs everything changes.

[giannis and 1]

Serious right now? Sure ok let's do this then.

1st - Donte is a tweener guard Kyrie will be faster and get past while Harden can just go through him. Danny Green is 6'6 real SG size and a former all defensive NBA to boot. Plus he is a historic, consistent big nuts playoff shooter. Donte can't even be consistent in a regular season road trip.

2nd - Powell is a tweener too but one that can flat out score idk what to tell you other than I'd trade Donte for him in a heartbeat.

3rd - your list is irrelevant unless LeBron and Kyrie/AD are coming to play with Donte. Here's the list that's relevant to whether someone would give up their first for Donte. Where does he fit on this list?

https://fadeawayworld.net/2021/02/18/ranking-the-best-nba-shooting-guards-by-tiers-2/

Oh that's right, he's not even on it because only Milwaukee thinks he's good and worth a first round pick. Tier 7 maybe before he gets mentioned? 31 shooting guards get mentioned and Donte isn't even there because some teams have backups better than him, we see them all the time lighting us up but you're blind to it because you're up to you're elbows deep in Donte's advanced stats circle jerk juice.

DDV should theoretically do well defending against Irving. Harden goes through everyone. Danny green has been a meme for the last couple years.

You just tried to cite some random website to try to prove your point. Is this real life? Only Milwaukee thinks he's good and worth a first round pick? So you think he's not even worth a 1st round pick, despite being a mid 1st himself and only increasing his stock.

We have the 3rd best record in the East and he's our starting SG so I challenge you.. find me one SG ranking list where he's top 30. There are 30 teams so it shouldn't be hard right?

Here's the problem with someone giving us a first for him now. They only get one more year of rookie deal then a messy situation in Restricted FA where a sh#t team like Detroit offers him 60 mil for 4 years f#ck that bye bro. A losing team with a nice pick can draft there own guy and get 4 years before RFA. Now if it were a contender that needs one dude to get over the edge.... is that Donte? No, they'll use it and another guy to get a Bogdon or someone that actually that missing piece. Last summer with 2 years left he had value, now that value is leaving since it's decision time and he hasn't proven any consistency.

Losing teams pay these average dudes 12 to 18 mil.. we should not match that instead keep recruiting guys that want to try for a Chip with Giannis and give you similar production at 5 to 8 mil for 1 to 3 years or buyout guys like Teague every year since we have 3 max guys already. Now if you think us or any other team should automatically match any offer then we're just in different places. If he goes on a tear in the playoffs everything changes.

The only SG ranking lists I found were from before the season, they don't count.

Any team that gets DDV would be willing to match 60/4, he is worth that. I wouldn't have much of a problem paying him that from the Bucks.

Why would a contender not want DDV if they can fit him lol? He's not that much worse of a player than Bogdan is right now, and Bogdan gets 18m. If I had to guess I'd say he ends being better in a year or 2.

A losing team would probably give up a pick around 10 overall for him. This is because DDV is a proven good young NBA player - this has value. A draft pick is a mystery box.

Lost in all this is the fact that DDV is still getting better. Any team that trades for him would be trading for him knowing that he is getting better at every part of basketball.

[-Jragon-]

I agree with you that if they'd match any offer for him they might send a late first to get his Bird rights which in turn we trade with Middleton to an upgrade disgruntled but clearly better star like Bled to Jrue.

Sounds gamble-ish to me to match that unless he proves he can contribute on offense consistently. It's a Pacers, Rockets, Bulls, Pistons type move eating salary instead of clearing max slots. Eighth seed or bust.

ETA remember when we signed Tim Thomas and John Salmons to big contracts after they showed they were capable having big games? That all went sh#tty. So then there's Donte who hasn't shown even That level yet.

P.S. I just saw that you think Donte can get you a top 10 pick wtf no just no he hasn't proven sh#t just no.

[HKPackFan]

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[midranger]

Our books are a mess and we have very few swings to get impact players at a discount via the draft.

I don’t think we can continue to lock up any mediocre player we stumble upon to above market deals handed out by bad teams.

We probably have to do something to get our books in order. That may entail some bold move with Middleton and not overpaying a guy like DDV in restricted FA. I really don’t want to take a step back, but it doesn’t feel like we have enough right now and I don’t see a clear path to get there before we age out of our window with the current team makeup (which realistically was 2 years ago).

[LuessiT]

Does anyone know how the playoff eligability for players in Europe is determined?

[thonnisbeastley]

DDV should theoretically do well defending against Irving. Harden goes through everyone. Danny green has been a meme for the last couple years.

You just tried to cite some random website to try to prove your point. Is this real life? Only Milwaukee thinks he's good and worth a first round pick? So you think he's not even worth a 1st round pick, despite being a mid 1st himself and only increasing his stock.

We have the 3rd best record in the East and he's our starting SG so I challenge you.. find me one SG ranking list where he's top 30. There are 30 teams so it shouldn't be hard right?

Here's the problem with someone giving us a first for him now. They only get one more year of rookie deal then a messy situation in Restricted FA where a sh#t team like Detroit offers him 60 mil for 4 years f#ck that bye bro. A losing team with a nice pick can draft there own guy and get 4 years before RFA. Now if it were a contender that needs one dude to get over the edge.... is that Donte? No, they'll use it and another guy to get a Bogdon or someone that actually that missing piece. Last summer with 2 years left he had value, now that value is leaving since it's decision time and he hasn't proven any consistency.

Losing teams pay these average dudes 12 to 18 mil.. we should not match that instead keep recruiting guys that want to try for a Chip with Giannis and give you similar production at 5 to 8 mil for 1 to 3 years or buyout guys like Teague every year since we have 3 max guys already. Now if you think us or any other team should automatically match any offer then we're just in different places. If he goes on a tear in the playoffs everything changes.

The only SG ranking lists I found were from before the season, they don't count.

Any team that gets DDV would be willing to match 60/4, he is worth that. I wouldn't have much of a problem paying him that from the Bucks.

Why would a contender not want DDV if they can fit him lol? He's not that much worse of a player than Bogdan is right now, and Bogdan gets 18m. If I had to guess I'd say he ends being better in a year or 2.

A losing team would probably give up a pick around 10 overall for him. This is because DDV is a proven good young NBA player - this has value. A draft pick is a mystery box.

Lost in all this is the fact that DDV is still getting better. Any team that trades for him would be trading for him knowing that he is getting better at every part of basketball.

DDV worth 4/60? Lol. No way.

I bet DDV could fetch a 1st rounder between 15-20 at best.

[ShootingtheJ]

We have the 3rd best record in the East and he's our starting SG so I challenge you.. find me one SG ranking list where he's top 30. There are 30 teams so it shouldn't be hard right?

Here's the problem with someone giving us a first for him now. They only get one more year of rookie deal then a messy situation in Restricted FA where a sh#t team like Detroit offers him 60 mil for 4 years f#ck that bye bro. A losing team with a nice pick can draft there own guy and get 4 years before RFA. Now if it were a contender that needs one dude to get over the edge.... is that Donte? No, they'll use it and another guy to get a Bogdon or someone that actually that missing piece. Last summer with 2 years left he had value, now that value is leaving since it's decision time and he hasn't proven any consistency.

Losing teams pay these average dudes 12 to 18 mil.. we should not match that instead keep recruiting guys that want to try for a Chip with Giannis and give you similar production at 5 to 8 mil for 1 to 3 years or buyout guys like Teague every year since we have 3 max guys already. Now if you think us or any other team should automatically match any offer then we're just in different places. If he goes on a tear in the playoffs everything changes.

The only SG ranking lists I found were from before the season, they don't count.

Any team that gets DDV would be willing to match 60/4, he is worth that. I wouldn't have much of a problem paying him that from the Bucks.

Why would a contender not want DDV if they can fit him lol? He's not that much worse of a player than Bogdan is right now, and Bogdan gets 18m. If I had to guess I'd say he ends being better in a year or 2.

A losing team would probably give up a pick around 10 overall for him. This is because DDV is a proven good young NBA player - this has value. A draft pick is a mystery box.

Lost in all this is the fact that DDV is still getting better. Any team that trades for him would be trading for him knowing that he is getting better at every part of basketball.

DDV worth 4/60? Lol. No way.

I bet DDV could fetch a 1st rounder between 15-20 at best.

Landry Shamet landed a late first, DDV is 3 times the player. His next contract will be for $80 million or more.

[thonnisbeastley]

The only SG ranking lists I found were from before the season, they don't count.

Any team that gets DDV would be willing to match 60/4, he is worth that. I wouldn't have much of a problem paying him that from the Bucks.

Why would a contender not want DDV if they can fit him lol? He's not that much worse of a player than Bogdan is right now, and Bogdan gets 18m. If I had to guess I'd say he ends being better in a year or 2.

A losing team would probably give up a pick around 10 overall for him. This is because DDV is a proven good young NBA player - this has value. A draft pick is a mystery box.

Lost in all this is the fact that DDV is still getting better. Any team that trades for him would be trading for him knowing that he is getting better at every part of basketball.

DDV worth 4/60? Lol. No way.

I bet DDV could fetch a 1st rounder between 15-20 at best.

Landry Shamet landed a late first, DDV is 3 times the player. His next contract will be for $80 million or more.

I feel bad for any team that pays him that amount of money. Franchise crippling contract.

[ShootingtheJ]

DDV worth 4/60? Lol. No way.

I bet DDV could fetch a 1st rounder between 15-20 at best.

Landry Shamet landed a late first, DDV is 3 times the player. His next contract will be for $80 million or more.

I feel bad for any team that pays him that amount of money. Franchise crippling contract.

Getting a playmaking SG that can shoot and defend is franchise crippling? A player who consistently makes his team dramatically better? Where's the bad part?

[ShootingtheJ]

DDV worth 4/60? Lol. No way.

I bet DDV could fetch a 1st rounder between 15-20 at best.

Landry Shamet landed a late first, DDV is 3 times the player. His next contract will be for $80 million or more.

I feel bad for any team that pays him that amount of money. Franchise crippling contract.

Getting a playmaking SG that can shoot and defend is franchise crippling? A player who consistently makes his team dramatically better? Where's the bad part?

[M-C-G]

I know I don't hang out here as much as I used to, but DDV is a damn fine player, really can't understand how that is even remotely controversial.

FVV 4/85
Joe Harris 4/75
Bogdan 4/72
Beasley 4/60
Clarkson 4/51

DDV is certainly in that spectrum. Don't like it? Maybe re-evaluate current market prices?

[thonnisbeastley]

Landry Shamet landed a late first, DDV is 3 times the player. His next contract will be for $80 million or more.

I feel bad for any team that pays him that amount of money. Franchise crippling contract.

Getting a playmaking SG that can shoot and defend is franchise crippling? A player who consistently makes his team dramatically better? Where's the bad part?

Paying him $20M per is yes. He’s a fine player, but nothing he does makes our team dramatically better. Put him on a roster where he’s more than the 5th option, without playing next to 3 all-stars - and his advanced numbers will drop significantly. In fact, they already have compared to last year when he was the 6th man.

[BroncoBuck]

So who should the Bucks fill the last roster spot with. I am not sure there is anyone available that will see any significant minutes.

If the Bucks wait (2 weeks? Help me cap master Frank) they can drop Kurucs and sign 2 guys I believe. That’s based on my rough understanding of the cap so don’t crucify me lol