2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2

[3toheadmelo]

aaron henry is pretty nice. sleeper for our 2nd round pick. nice wing that can create his own shot, pretty athletite, can playmake and play defense. down side is that he is kinda old and he is inconsistent as a shooter

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[newyorker4ever]

at this point, I'd just be really happy if we can get Bouknight

he's 6th on my board, but I've seen him fall out of the lotto on other boards (idk why, I think the media/analysts are overthinking it just b/c his assist #'s weren't good)

1(13) James Bouknight
1(22) Jared Butler
2(33) Josh Christopher
2(57) Isaiah Todd

that'd be a successful draft

I still would give anything for a top 4 pick b/c I think we need a franchise-changing talent to pair w/ RJ long-term and the top 4 is where they're at

This mock has Bouknight going #5 to GSW and us taking Cam Thomas (LSU Guard) at #15, with Kispert going one spot later, and Knicks taking my guy Josh Giddey at #21 with the Dallas pick. I'd be pretty happy with this draft but would take Kispert over Cam Thomas. Still would be happy taking Thomas though.

I'd love to get a top 4 pick but only if somehow Suggs drops to #4 which won't happen. I'm trading almost anything to get Suggs.

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[NewKnicks]

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I feel like Bouknight is still within range. get it done Leon

Thanks for posting this. Bouknight kind of reminds me of how DRose is currently playing with all those twisting, contorting layups. Can he play above the rim, though? Also, I need to look up his measurables. going to do that now.

There are a lot of players that can score bigtime in college, but don't always pan out for different reasons. Obi being a great example. I'm only comparing how Obi transitioned, not comparing their individual game. Obviously they are much different players.

[NewKnicks]

For you guys out there who didn't get a chance to watch much college bball this year, this is a pretty good vid to get a glimpse of the prospects.

You'll get to see why everyone is hyping this draft up so much.

Sidenote.. After watching a lot more tape on Jalen Green, he's going to be a stud in the league. He's really skinny so he'll need to fill in and add that NBA body to realize his potential, but man is he impressive. He's a do it all potential star SG.

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[NewKnicks]

Another point I want to emphasize regarding Scottie Barnes is how damn long he is. To put things in perspective, he has a 7'2 inch wingspan at 6'9. Evan Mobley has a 7'4 inch wingspan in comparison, and Mobley is 7'1. That's pretty insane. If he can work on that jumper (ala RJ), he's got superstar potential.

[knickstape4ever]

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I feel like Bouknight is still within range. get it done Leon

Thanks for posting this. Bouknight kind of reminds me of how DRose is currently playing with all those twisting, contorting layups. Can he play above the rim, though? Also, I need to look up his measurables. going to do that now.

There are a lot of players that can score bigtime in college, but don't always pan out for different reasons. Obi being a great example. I'm only comparing how Obi transitioned, not comparing their individual game. Obviously they are much different players.

I love Bouknight's potential. I don't think he's just another big-time college scorer than can't do the same in the NBA

he's a great athlete w/ good body control around the rim. can handle it, shoot off the dribble, and it seems like he's a good cutter as well. 3-level scorer and the type of player we need: a guard who can create their own shot

[knickstape4ever]

For you guys out there who didn't get a chance to watch much college bball this year, this is a pretty good vid to get a glimpse of the prospects.

You'll get to see why everyone is hyping this draft up so much.

Sidenote.. After watching a lot more tape on Jalen Green, he's going to be a stud in the league. He's really skinny so he'll need to fill in and add that NBA body to realize his potential, but man is he impressive. He's a do it all potential star SG.

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Jalen Green is my favorite player in this draft (would still take Cade #1 tho). his upside is through the roof. even tho he's so skinny, he has tremendous body control around the rim....when he gets stronger, watch out

Green could end up being the best player in the draft. love that he played in the G-league instead of college b/c he played all those games and practiced w/ the 3PT line (shot 36.5% from 3 in the bubble), which should ease his NBA transition

too bad we can't get him

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I feel like Bouknight is still within range. get it done Leon

Thanks for posting this. Bouknight kind of reminds me of how DRose is currently playing with all those twisting, contorting layups. Can he play above the rim, though? Also, I need to look up his measurables. going to do that now.

There are a lot of players that can score bigtime in college, but don't always pan out for different reasons. Obi being a great example. I'm only comparing how Obi transitioned, not comparing their individual game. Obviously they are much different players.

I love Bouknight's potential. I don't think he's just another big-time college scorer than can't do the same in the NBA

he's a great athlete w/ good body control around the rim. can handle it, shoot off the dribble, and it seems like he's a good cutter as well. 3-level scorer and the type of player we need: a guard who can create their own shot

I'm starting to come around on Bouknight the more I watch him. Have you found his measurables out there? I have looked (admittedly not a lot), but haven't been able to find his wingspan and vertical. I just want to make sure he can play well above the rim. I don't like taking players in the lottery without the measurables. With his athletic ability, I'm pretty sure he can, I just want to see some confirmation.

[NewKnicks]

For you guys out there who didn't get a chance to watch much college bball this year, this is a pretty good vid to get a glimpse of the prospects.

You'll get to see why everyone is hyping this draft up so much.

Sidenote.. After watching a lot more tape on Jalen Green, he's going to be a stud in the league. He's really skinny so he'll need to fill in and add that NBA body to realize his potential, but man is he impressive. He's a do it all potential star SG.

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Jalen Green is my favorite player in this draft (would still take Cade #1 tho). his upside is through the roof. even tho he's so skinny, he has tremendous body control around the rim....when he gets stronger, watch out

Green could end up being the best player in the draft. love that he played in the G-league instead of college b/c he played all those games and practiced w/ the 3PT line (shot 36.5% from 3 in the bubble), which should ease his NBA transition

too bad we can't get him

I agree. He looks to have the entire package. Future star in the making. I really can't believe how stacked this draft is. People from the outside who haven't taken the time to evaluate tape of each player don't get it yet. 1-5 all have star potential, and then you have players like Bouknight/Barnes/Keon Johnson/Jalen Johnson/Cam Thomas/Kai Jones/Zaire with potential to get there as well. And there's a few more to consider too, but I can't list them all.

Normally I would never make this claim because drafts are such a crapshoot, but at this point I'll be shocked if it doesn't go down as one of the best drafts of all time. I know that's a big statement, but man these kids are good. NBA has a lot of talent coming in soon. It's going to be fun to see the progression year after year with this group.

Like Mobley for example.. sky is the limit, but it might take him 4+ years to really get that body straight, so he can bang with the big boys down low, but it will be worth the wait for whoever drafts him.

[knickstape4ever]

Thanks for posting this. Bouknight kind of reminds me of how DRose is currently playing with all those twisting, contorting layups. Can he play above the rim, though? Also, I need to look up his measurables. going to do that now.

There are a lot of players that can score bigtime in college, but don't always pan out for different reasons. Obi being a great example. I'm only comparing how Obi transitioned, not comparing their individual game. Obviously they are much different players.

I love Bouknight's potential. I don't think he's just another big-time college scorer than can't do the same in the NBA

he's a great athlete w/ good body control around the rim. can handle it, shoot off the dribble, and it seems like he's a good cutter as well. 3-level scorer and the type of player we need: a guard who can create their own shot

I'm starting to come around on Bouknight the more I watch him. Have you found his measurables out there? I have looked (admittedly not a lot), but haven't been able to find his wingspan and vertical. I just want to make sure he can play well above the rim. I don't like taking players in the lottery without the measurables. With his athletic ability, I'm pretty sure he can, I just want to see some confirmation.

he's 6-5, 190 and from what I've seen his WS is either 6'8 or 6'9. couldn't find his vertical but based on his athleticism, that's not a worry for me

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I feel like Bouknight is still within range. get it done Leon

Thanks for posting this. Bouknight kind of reminds me of how DRose is currently playing with all those twisting, contorting layups. Can he play above the rim, though? Also, I need to look up his measurables. going to do that now.

There are a lot of players that can score bigtime in college, but don't always pan out for different reasons. Obi being a great example. I'm only comparing how Obi transitioned, not comparing their individual game. Obviously they are much different players.

He's an impressive athlete. The question marks have more to do with the lack of playmaking and how little he showed defensively...he wouldn't be the first scoring guard who just didn't need to show plus playmaking- or defensive-instincts at the college level, if he did bust them out at the next level, but since he didn't show them off much there's a bit of a gamble there.

I'm not too worried about the playmaking concerns, I think he flashed enough there to think that his shot-selection was more of a function of being so much more gifted than everyone else on the court so much of the time and so won't be an issue when he's sharing the court with more talented players. While his excellent physical tools should allow him to be a good defender if he ever commits to it, but how long it'll take for him to do that is an open question, and a big part of why I tend to lump him in the same group with Moody & Ziaire, even though he has much clearer star potential than Moody (whose not exactly a playmaker himself) and he is closer to realizing his star potential than Ziaire is to realizing his.

[TheGreenArrow]

He’s going to go undrafted but remember this name because he’s going to be a legit nba player...

Kyree walker folks kyree walker!!!!!!

[WargamesX]

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I feel like Bouknight is still within range. get it done Leon

Thanks for posting this. Bouknight kind of reminds me of how DRose is currently playing with all those twisting, contorting layups. Can he play above the rim, though? Also, I need to look up his measurables. going to do that now.

There are a lot of players that can score bigtime in college, but don't always pan out for different reasons. Obi being a great example. I'm only comparing how Obi transitioned, not comparing their individual game. Obviously they are much different players.

I love Bouknight's potential. I don't think he's just another big-time college scorer than can't do the same in the NBA

he's a great athlete w/ good body control around the rim. can handle it, shoot off the dribble, and it seems like he's a good cutter as well. 3-level scorer and the type of player we need: a guard who can create their own shot

He has great lower body strength/control and he is a bit bow legged but that ironically helps his footwork when it comes to changing direction on drives. He also has great ball control. The comparison to Rose is a good one. He’s a bigger version but their game is similar. I don’t know if he’ll ever be a good shooter and I am saying this early. I think he rises to top 10. It’s easy to see his talent and he doesn’t look raw like some of the other talented prospects in this draft.

I think he tore his miniscus so there is a slight chance that lets him fall into our range....
but I doubt it.

[WargamesX]

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I really like the idea of Tre Mann for that Mavs pick. The only negative I can think of taking him there is his game is similar to Quickley’s.

His game reminds me of a Jamal Murray/Jordan Clarkson type player, obviously not as good but just like those guys I think if he gets hot it would be really hard to stop him. Plus all three are really good scoring off of screens.

[SmoothLefty21]

at this point, I'd just be really happy if we can get Bouknight

he's 6th on my board, but I've seen him fall out of the lotto on other boards (idk why, I think the media/analysts are overthinking it just b/c his assist #'s weren't good)

1(13) James Bouknight
1(22) Jared Butler
2(33) Josh Christopher
2(57) Isaiah Todd

that'd be a successful draft

I still would give anything for a top 4 pick b/c I think we need a franchise-changing talent to pair w/ RJ long-term and the top 4 is where they're at

I would be ecstatic if Bouknight lasted that long. I've said all along that once teams get an up-close look at Bouknight in workouts he's going to fly up the boards but who knows--he's mocked anywhere from #6 to #17 right now. I think he goes 7-10.

[Nazrmohamed]

For you guys out there who didn't get a chance to watch much college bball this year, this is a pretty good vid to get a glimpse of the prospects.

You'll get to see why everyone is hyping this draft up so much.

Sidenote.. After watching a lot more tape on Jalen Green, he's going to be a stud in the league. He's really skinny so he'll need to fill in and add that NBA body to realize his potential, but man is he impressive. He's a do it all potential star SG.

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Jalen Green is my favorite player in this draft (would still take Cade #1 tho). his upside is through the roof. even tho he's so skinny, he has tremendous body control around the rim....when he gets stronger, watch out

Green could end up being the best player in the draft. love that he played in the G-league instead of college b/c he played all those games and practiced w/ the 3PT line (shot 36.5% from 3 in the bubble), which should ease his NBA transition

too bad we can't get him

I agree. He looks to have the entire package. Future star in the making. I really can't believe how stacked this draft is. People from the outside who haven't taken the time to evaluate tape of each player don't get it yet. 1-5 all have star potential, and then you have players like Bouknight/Barnes/Keon Johnson/Jalen Johnson/Cam Thomas/Kai Jones/Zaire with potential to get there as well. And there's a few more to consider too, but I can't list them all.

Normally I would never make this claim because drafts are such a crapshoot, but at this point I'll be shocked if it doesn't go down as one of the best drafts of all time. I know that's a big statement, but man these kids are good. NBA has a lot of talent coming in soon. It's going to be fun to see the progression year after year with this group.

Like Mobley for example.. sky is the limit, but it might take him 4+ years to really get that body straight, so he can bang with the big boys down low, but it will be worth the wait for whoever drafts him.

How do you define that though? I agree this draft looks stacked up until about pick 8. Thing is after that I see a hard drop-off. In comparison to last yr there were only 3 guys with perennial allstar potential but then you could still find quality starters down the line, maybe all the way to pick 18. Less star potential but alot of nba ready potential. I don't see alot of good players after 8 this yr but you tell me. I see alot of 6'9 Tristan Thompson bodied bigs, short wings and low 3pt% throughout. Remember last draft, even amongst the moon stats when you think of system guys there were like 6 guys shooting above .400 on 3s.

[SmoothLefty21]

He's an impressive athlete. The question marks have more to do with the lack of playmaking and how little he showed defensively...he wouldn't be the first scoring guard who just didn't need to show plus playmaking- or defensive-instincts at the college level, if he did bust them out at the next level, but since he didn't show them off much there's a bit of a gamble there.

I'm not too worried about the playmaking concerns, I think he flashed enough there to think that his shot-selection was more of a function of being so much more gifted than everyone else on the court so much of the time and so won't be an issue when he's sharing the court with more talented players. While his excellent physical tools should allow him to be a good defender if he ever commits to it, but how long it'll take for him to do that is an open question, and a big part of why I tend to lump him in the same group with Moody & Ziaire, even though he has much clearer star potential than Moody (whose not exactly a playmaker himself) and he is closer to realizing his star potential than Ziaire is to realizing his.

Playmaking is the key for his overall potential (as with Moody, Keon, etc.) but I think even if he's just a scorer he'll be an 18-20 PPG guy. That's part of why I like him over those guys--even if he doesn't develop a ton more I think he's a very useful NBA player. He's electric and already a three-level scorer and one of the best finishing guards I've seen in a while. Dude is creative and acrobatic and does impressive things in traffic. His playmaking reads are basic right now and he doesn't anticipate well but he seems to have a solid understanding of things.

I've mentioned this before but UConn's offense was a big detriment to this kid. They played at a slow pace, didn't have a real PG to help initiate offense, had no shooters to space the floor (they had one shooter who was wildly inconsistent), and mostly played two traditional bigs which clogged the floor. Everything wrong and ugly about college basketball's style of play negatively impacted Bouknight. When he was actually given space, he was electric and borderline unstoppable. As the season wore on, teams really sold out and adjusted their defensive schemes to contain Bouknight and space became harder to come by. Cade is really the only other prospect who dealt with this level of attention this season. Get Bouknight into the NBA where he's surrounded by talented pros and has ample spacing consistently and I think he's going to shine. He's the LaVine/Mitchell/etc guy of this draft IMO.

[WargamesX]

He's an impressive athlete. The question marks have more to do with the lack of playmaking and how little he showed defensively...he wouldn't be the first scoring guard who just didn't need to show plus playmaking- or defensive-instincts at the college level, if he did bust them out at the next level, but since he didn't show them off much there's a bit of a gamble there.

I'm not too worried about the playmaking concerns, I think he flashed enough there to think that his shot-selection was more of a function of being so much more gifted than everyone else on the court so much of the time and so won't be an issue when he's sharing the court with more talented players. While his excellent physical tools should allow him to be a good defender if he ever commits to it, but how long it'll take for him to do that is an open question, and a big part of why I tend to lump him in the same group with Moody & Ziaire, even though he has much clearer star potential than Moody (whose not exactly a playmaker himself) and he is closer to realizing his star potential than Ziaire is to realizing his.

Playmaking is the key for his overall potential (as with Moody, Keon, etc.) but I think even if he's just a scorer he'll be an 18-20 PPG guy. That's part of why I like him over those guys--even if he doesn't develop a ton more I think he's a very useful NBA player. He's electric and already a three-level scorer and one of the best finishing guards I've seen in a while. Dude is creative and acrobatic and does impressive things in traffic. His playmaking reads are basic right now and he doesn't anticipate well but he seems to have a solid understanding of things.

I've mentioned this before but UConn's offense was a big detriment to this kid. They played at a slow pace, didn't have a real PG to help initiate offense, had no shooters to space the floor (they had one shooter who was wildly inconsistent), and mostly played two traditional bigs which clogged the floor. Everything wrong and ugly about college basketball's style of play negatively impacted Bouknight. When he was actually given space, he was electric and borderline unstoppable. As the season wore on, teams really sold out and adjusted their defensive schemes to contain Bouknight and space became harder to come by. Cade is really the only other prospect who dealt with this level of attention this season. Get Bouknight into the NBA where he's surrounded by talented pros and has ample spacing consistently and I think he's going to shine. He's the LaVine/Mitchell/etc guy of this draft IMO.

This is the main reason I doubt he falls to us. Flipside we might have the assets to move up to get him. I have a feeling the media are going to hype up the top 5 guys (Cade, Mobley, Suggs, Green, and Kuminga) and every one after those 5 might be available for the right price. Knicks do actually have assets to move up.

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I know we don't like old rookies here (Duarte close to 24)

but Duarte's shooting and defense at his position is elite. He also can drive and isn't predictable, he changes his moves depending on what the defense gives him. He doesn't turn it over alot and he's a great help defender, almost averaging 2 steals and 1 block per game. He's basically Francisco Garcia (who was longer than Chris at 6"7/6"8) without the injuries.

If Duarte is available at 21, Knicks should grab him. This saves us in two ways.

Duarte, as an individual would provide Alec shooting and Frank defense by himself, plus more. We fill our 3 and D role because we really dont have one with Bullock and Burks who are good shooters but not clamp type defenders....and Frank who's elite at defense but provides no offense.

This also would give SPACE to RJ Barrett's driving and slashing.


I'm all for drafting Cam Thomas at 15 range btw. Hope we get him and Duarte. They would really look nice to Quickley and Barrett as a young core.

[NewKnicks]

Jalen Green is my favorite player in this draft (would still take Cade #1 tho). his upside is through the roof. even tho he's so skinny, he has tremendous body control around the rim....when he gets stronger, watch out

Green could end up being the best player in the draft. love that he played in the G-league instead of college b/c he played all those games and practiced w/ the 3PT line (shot 36.5% from 3 in the bubble), which should ease his NBA transition

too bad we can't get him

I agree. He looks to have the entire package. Future star in the making. I really can't believe how stacked this draft is. People from the outside who haven't taken the time to evaluate tape of each player don't get it yet. 1-5 all have star potential, and then you have players like Bouknight/Barnes/Keon Johnson/Jalen Johnson/Cam Thomas/Kai Jones/Zaire with potential to get there as well. And there's a few more to consider too, but I can't list them all.

Normally I would never make this claim because drafts are such a crapshoot, but at this point I'll be shocked if it doesn't go down as one of the best drafts of all time. I know that's a big statement, but man these kids are good. NBA has a lot of talent coming in soon. It's going to be fun to see the progression year after year with this group.

Like Mobley for example.. sky is the limit, but it might take him 4+ years to really get that body straight, so he can bang with the big boys down low, but it will be worth the wait for whoever drafts him.

How do you define that though? I agree this draft looks stacked up until about pick 8. Thing is after that I see a hard drop-off. In comparison to last yr there were only 3 guys with perennial allstar potential but then you could still find quality starters down the line, maybe all the way to pick 18. Less star potential but alot of nba ready potential. I don't see alot of good players after 8 this yr but you tell me. I see alot of 6'9 Tristan Thompson bodied bigs, short wings and low 3pt% throughout. Remember last draft, even amongst the moon stats when you think of system guys there were like 6 guys shooting above .400 on 3s.

I can't argue with you. Who knows, this draft could end up totally overrated in the long term. But I did watch a lot of bball this past year and saw most of these guys play in a lot of games. This group seems different than most years, but who knows, it might not be. It's pure speculation on my part. But I'm sticking with my evaluations.

if you think the draft isn't good after 8, we're in a bad position considering both of our picks will be later than that. If we could trade both picks and Randle to get in the top 5, I'd do it.

I do have a question though.. who are you putting at 6-8? Just curious as mocks are all over the place from 6-10.