ImageImage

Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv

Moderators: Moonbeam, DeBlazerRiddem

Brandon-Clyde
RealGM
Posts: 23,496
And1: 5,905
Joined: May 29, 2008
     

Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#1 » by Brandon-Clyde » Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:13 am

Image


vs

Image

Time: 7:00pm
Place: Moda Center
TV: SNW/TNT

GLB of the game Grace Park
Spoiler:
Image
There are no constraints on the human mind, no walls around the human spirit, no barriers to our progress except those we ourselves erect." -- Ronald Reagan
ducler
Cold Hard Gameday Facts
Posts: 15,620
And1: 9,000
Joined: Jun 15, 2008
Location: France
 

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#2 » by ducler » Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:42 pm

Read on Twitter
Image
Brandon-Clyde
RealGM
Posts: 23,496
And1: 5,905
Joined: May 29, 2008
     

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#3 » by Brandon-Clyde » Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:08 am

1st quarter GLB pic
Spoiler:
Image
There are no constraints on the human mind, no walls around the human spirit, no barriers to our progress except those we ourselves erect." -- Ronald Reagan
Brandon-Clyde
RealGM
Posts: 23,496
And1: 5,905
Joined: May 29, 2008
     

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#4 » by Brandon-Clyde » Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:39 am

2nd quarter GLB pic
Spoiler:
Image
There are no constraints on the human mind, no walls around the human spirit, no barriers to our progress except those we ourselves erect." -- Ronald Reagan
Brandon-Clyde
RealGM
Posts: 23,496
And1: 5,905
Joined: May 29, 2008
     

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#5 » by Brandon-Clyde » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:13 am

3rd quarter GLB pic
Spoiler:
Image
There are no constraints on the human mind, no walls around the human spirit, no barriers to our progress except those we ourselves erect." -- Ronald Reagan
whatchaknow
Analyst
Posts: 3,267
And1: 716
Joined: May 05, 2009

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#6 » by whatchaknow » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:44 am

2 things need to happen if this team wants to even get out of round 1. Melo needs to not see any minutes. And dame needs to play some sort of defense. The guys effort on that end has been flat out pathetic. This team is trending towards an off-season rebuild in my eyes, I’m sure Neil won’t touch that idea but this team is the definition of treadmill team
Brandon-Clyde
RealGM
Posts: 23,496
And1: 5,905
Joined: May 29, 2008
     

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#7 » by Brandon-Clyde » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:49 am

4th quarter GLB pic
Spoiler:
Image
There are no constraints on the human mind, no walls around the human spirit, no barriers to our progress except those we ourselves erect." -- Ronald Reagan
User avatar
Moonbeam
Forum Mod - Blazers
Forum Mod - Blazers
Posts: 10,356
And1: 5,107
Joined: Feb 21, 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia
     

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#8 » by Moonbeam » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:31 am

whatchaknow wrote:2 things need to happen if this team wants to even get out of round 1. Melo needs to not see any minutes. And dame needs to play some sort of defense. The guys effort on that end has been flat out pathetic. This team is trending towards an off-season rebuild in my eyes, I’m sure Neil won’t touch that idea but this team is the definition of treadmill team


It's hard to see this team as much more than first-round fodder, for sure, particularly with the way Dame has been playing. I think he's probably still hurt.

It actually wouldn't be bad if the team did a mini-tank and hit the lottery. This isn't a young team anymore with guys that lack playoff experience --- it's a team that has struggled with consistent focus and execution, particularly on defense, and has dealt with a number of injuries. The extra rest and the narrative that they missed the playoffs could cause the front office to shake things up.
User avatar
monopoman
RealGM
Posts: 12,663
And1: 6,479
Joined: Nov 11, 2009
     

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#9 » by monopoman » Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:02 am

Moonbeam wrote:
whatchaknow wrote:2 things need to happen if this team wants to even get out of round 1. Melo needs to not see any minutes. And dame needs to play some sort of defense. The guys effort on that end has been flat out pathetic. This team is trending towards an off-season rebuild in my eyes, I’m sure Neil won’t touch that idea but this team is the definition of treadmill team


It's hard to see this team as much more than first-round fodder, for sure, particularly with the way Dame has been playing. I think he's probably still hurt.

It actually wouldn't be bad if the team did a mini-tank and hit the lottery. This isn't a young team anymore with guys that lack playoff experience --- it's a team that has struggled with consistent focus and execution, particularly on defense, and has dealt with a number of injuries. The extra rest and the narrative that they missed the playoffs could cause the front office to shake things up.


I mean, it would be pretty tough to land in the lottery with this team. They are too good against the bad teams to end up there, it would require a tank job of a magnitude we haven't ever seen from a Lillard based Blazer team. Even if that happened at worst we drop to like 10th or 9th seed, now if we had an 82 game season I could see a plummet further if they were set on tanking but we don't have that.

Anyways asking a team this talented to tank is just not in the cards, I bet Dame would be livid if management tried to get him to do this. I think they are going to have a tough time getting out of the first round also, especially if the land in 5th-8th seed, but that doesn't mean tanking is the strategy.
Wizenheimer
RealGM
Posts: 36,478
And1: 8,187
Joined: May 28, 2007

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#10 » by Wizenheimer » Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:06 am

The Stolshey ship has run firmly aground. Shipwreck

the architect and the manager both need to be fired...tonight. But it won't happen and the supporters of each will trot out another bucket of empty excuses why they should keep their jobs after failure.9 years of this crap and it just goes on and on

it's a treadmill in purgatory
User avatar
Moonbeam
Forum Mod - Blazers
Forum Mod - Blazers
Posts: 10,356
And1: 5,107
Joined: Feb 21, 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia
     

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#11 » by Moonbeam » Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:22 am

monopoman wrote:
Moonbeam wrote:
whatchaknow wrote:2 things need to happen if this team wants to even get out of round 1. Melo needs to not see any minutes. And dame needs to play some sort of defense. The guys effort on that end has been flat out pathetic. This team is trending towards an off-season rebuild in my eyes, I’m sure Neil won’t touch that idea but this team is the definition of treadmill team


It's hard to see this team as much more than first-round fodder, for sure, particularly with the way Dame has been playing. I think he's probably still hurt.

It actually wouldn't be bad if the team did a mini-tank and hit the lottery. This isn't a young team anymore with guys that lack playoff experience --- it's a team that has struggled with consistent focus and execution, particularly on defense, and has dealt with a number of injuries. The extra rest and the narrative that they missed the playoffs could cause the front office to shake things up.


I mean, it would be pretty tough to land in the lottery with this team. They are too good against the bad teams to end up there, it would require a tank job of a magnitude we haven't ever seen from a Lillard based Blazer team. Even if that happened at worst we drop to like 10th or 9th seed, now if we had an 82 game season I could see a plummet further if they were set on tanking but we don't have that.

Anyways asking a team this talented to tank is just not in the cards, I bet Dame would be livid if management tried to get him to do this. I think they are going to have a tough time getting out of the first round also, especially if the land in 5th-8th seed, but that doesn't mean tanking is the strategy.


A mini tank to the 7-10 spot still means Portland could miss the playoffs. Have the lottery rules changed in light of the new play-in?

I know a Lillard-led team would never try to do that, but I think they could sit him the remainder of the season if he really is playing hurt and wanted to see which pieces to keep going forward. Dallas could easily pass Portland in the standings, and Portland could conceivably fall to 8th or even 9th.

Maybe I’ll eat crow (I often do), but this team just doesn’t seem to have it in them to be a threat.
Matt800
Rookie
Posts: 1,131
And1: 317
Joined: Aug 01, 2014

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#12 » by Matt800 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:15 am

Good news is Zach looks to be out of his boot. Not sure how long until he can play but obviously less time than if he were still in a boot.
Epicurus
RealGM
Posts: 15,490
And1: 872
Joined: Jan 25, 2006

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#13 » by Epicurus » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:38 am

Wizenheimer wrote:The Stolshey ship has run firmly aground. Shipwreck

the architect and the manager both need to be fired...tonight. But it won't happen and the supporters of each will trot out another bucket of empty excuses why they should keep their jobs after failure.9 years of this crap and it just goes on and on

it's a treadmill in purgatory
9 years of winning basketball. Perennial playoffs. Playing nearly each of those seasons over preseason expert predictions. And the best-- not so many wins, thus allowing ranting and raving from some emotional needs to be expressed. Best of all worlds, right?
Matt800
Rookie
Posts: 1,131
And1: 317
Joined: Aug 01, 2014

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#14 » by Matt800 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:33 am

Epicurus wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:The Stolshey ship has run firmly aground. Shipwreck

the architect and the manager both need to be fired...tonight. But it won't happen and the supporters of each will trot out another bucket of empty excuses why they should keep their jobs after failure.9 years of this crap and it just goes on and on

it's a treadmill in purgatory
9 years of winning basketball. Perennial playoffs. Playing nearly each of those seasons over preseason expert predictions. And the best-- not so many wins, thus allowing ranting and raving from some emotional needs to be expressed. Best of all worlds, right?


Yeah I don't really get all the pessimism. They've been in the playoffs for many years, have some very entertaining players, signed a future hof player, have had draft picks turn out well. It's about as good as it gets without being one of the few fortunate teams that can sign or draft enough great players to compete for a championship. And many of those are due to their location having appeal that Portland does not. We'd all like for them to be better but I don't think the last 9 years have been bad. It is frustrating seeing them close to something good, but I think its been pretty good in the last several years.
User avatar
PDXKnight
RealGM
Posts: 26,273
And1: 3,196
Joined: May 29, 2007
Location: Portland
   

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#15 » by PDXKnight » Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:16 pm

Matt800 wrote:
Epicurus wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:The Stolshey ship has run firmly aground. Shipwreck

the architect and the manager both need to be fired...tonight. But it won't happen and the supporters of each will trot out another bucket of empty excuses why they should keep their jobs after failure.9 years of this crap and it just goes on and on

it's a treadmill in purgatory
9 years of winning basketball. Perennial playoffs. Playing nearly each of those seasons over preseason expert predictions. And the best-- not so many wins, thus allowing ranting and raving from some emotional needs to be expressed. Best of all worlds, right?


Yeah I don't really get all the pessimism. They've been in the playoffs for many years, have some very entertaining players, signed a future hof player, have had draft picks turn out well. It's about as good as it gets without being one of the few fortunate teams that can sign or draft enough great players to compete for a championship. And many of those are due to their location having appeal that Portland does not. We'd all like for them to be better but I don't think the last 9 years have been bad. It is frustrating seeing them close to something good, but I think its been pretty good in the last several years.


Feels like the execution could be better. 9 Years or blowing big leads as a fairly commonplace occurrence. We’ve lost to superior teams in the playoffs yes which could be excused but sometimes the way we lost left much to be desired. We did make the wcf which was great but In that gs series we blew every single lead in the exact same time in the game, where were the adjustments? Stottshad four chances to change the approach and and at least walk away not getting swept. Without 2 huge lillard shots in the playoffs there’s a decent likelihood of 2 more series’ we blow

Olshey hasn’t been bad in all respects but he’s also at times been very good at not adding talent that fits to the coach‘s mold (ET signing/ hibbert offer sheet). He’s made crafty moves and drafted extra well at guard but his talent evaluation with bigs and wings has downright stunk. He always seems to do just enough to skate by. the Cov trade was good as was the nurk deal. But there really is a mixed bag with trades and we haven’t really had any “get over the top” sorts of moves. And while that is pretty hard to pull those kinds of deals off sometimes it doesn’t feel like we really try for it and the one time we do it’s for a 3rd tweener guard to play at sf and a costly loss of a rfa we could’ve matched any offer to. Typical olshey at his best..
valleyman33
Junior
Posts: 278
And1: 40
Joined: Aug 11, 2004
Location: Salem
   

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#16 » by valleyman33 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:05 pm

I am really getting tired of watching unimpeded drives to the basket, wide open jump shots and wide open three point shots to good teams. Does the team not practice defense anymore?
How does it happen when you add two pretty good defenders (Powell and DJJ) and one very good defender (ROKO) to a team your defense actually gets worse??? What the heck is going on with this team? :o
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right."
Henry Ford
Blazinaway
General Manager
Posts: 8,873
And1: 1,635
Joined: Jan 27, 2009

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#17 » by Blazinaway » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:03 pm

valleyman33 wrote:I am really getting tired of watching unimpeded drives to the basket, wide open jump shots and wide open three point shots to good teams. Does the team not practice defense anymore?
How does it happen when you add two pretty good defenders (Powell and DJJ) and one very good defender (ROKO) to a team your defense actually gets worse??? What the heck is going on with this team? :o


this team becomes more and more unwatchable for me, like how many reruns of the same show can one take? We all differ in what we view as entertaining, I am not entertained very much at all by this group of players and especially coach/style of play we have, I am ready for big changes, if not I will just tune out.
User avatar
PDXKnight
RealGM
Posts: 26,273
And1: 3,196
Joined: May 29, 2007
Location: Portland
   

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#18 » by PDXKnight » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:22 pm

valleyman33 wrote:I am really getting tired of watching unimpeded drives to the basket, wide open jump shots and wide open three point shots to good teams. Does the team not practice defense anymore?
How does it happen when you add two pretty good defenders (Powell and DJJ) and one very good defender (ROKO) to a team your defense actually gets worse??? What the heck is going on with this team? :o


agreed with most of this but i don’t regard powell as a good defensive player nor do his career stats back up that image. Used car salesman NO thinks he can defend but the 22 year old he dealt away is a superior defender
User avatar
d-train
RealGM
Posts: 21,227
And1: 1,098
Joined: Mar 26, 2001
   

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#19 » by d-train » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:55 pm

I enjoy watching this Blazers team trying to figure out their way. We don't have a top 5 player, or even a top 10 player. We don't have 2 top 15 players. Blazers are trying to build a contender without having any of the leagues best players. The odds are strongly against Blazers being successful. Watch if you find it an interesting endeavor. Don't watch if you aren't interested and are of the opinion that a NBA team must start with a top 5 player, or a couple top 15 players. If you believe the Blazers are on a fools errand, than don't watch. Watch the Lakers or whichever team fits the profile you are looking for.

I am watching the Blazers and enjoying it.
Image
User avatar
d-train
RealGM
Posts: 21,227
And1: 1,098
Joined: Mar 26, 2001
   

Re: Game 53: Portland vs Miami 7:00pm SNW/NBAtv 

Post#20 » by d-train » Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:19 pm

The Warriors are 40-78, the last 2 seasons, with the same key players that were 140-24 from 2014-16. They were in the finals both years and won a championship. This was before they got Durant. The margin between success and failure can be very small.
Image

Return to Portland Trail Blazers