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Lippo wrote:thonnisbeastley wrote:ShootingtheJ wrote:
Landry Shamet landed a late first, DDV is 3 times the player. His next contract will be for $80 million or more.
I feel bad for any team that pays him that amount of money. Franchise crippling contract.
DDV is a better player than Brogdan, he’s worth 5-90 or so.
Kennard went 16, 4, and 4 and is a shooter. I think the optics are different with Donte given his impact comes from the little things all over the floor that don't show up in the stat sheet. Interesting situation for sure. I'd be looking at that Marcus Smart and Clarkson deals as targets. 10-13 is where I'd peg him.WRau1 wrote:I don't think DDV gets anything less than $15mil/per, especially with Kennard getting 4yrs/$64mil.
Jez2983 wrote:ShootingtheJ wrote:DingleJerry wrote:Props to the buy low on Bamba camp here, sure seems you were onto something. Can't say that was me, when others brought it up I was in agreeance as a heck why not take a chance. I'd be curious if we talked to them about him at all and how hard they tried.
Also, I know haven't been on much lately but liking the look of Teague so far too. Can definitely see him being a more important piece than he should be in the playoffs. Probably a stretch but I'd be curious about staggering lineups by having him start over DDV. If you can get him going maybe some teams you could go with a small lineup like Giannis/KM/DDV/Teague/Jrue to close. For sure not vs Philly but seems feasible vs everyone else in the east. And I know that's a leap for Teague and he hasn't shown he's that capable yet, just saying I'd give him some burn the next few weeks and really see if you can unlock a George Hill type stretch at the right time.
It's amazing that Hammond had to cut Birch just to get Clifford to play Bamba.
I understand the annoying body language stuff, but that's the same thing that lead to the Celtics being able to acquire Robert Parrish back in the day.
If the Bucks were to get Bamba, he'd be the Robert Parrish to our dynasty.
You compared Bamba to Parish? These are the takes I'm here for
ShootingtheJ wrote:Jez2983 wrote:ShootingtheJ wrote:
It's amazing that Hammond had to cut Birch just to get Clifford to play Bamba.
I understand the annoying body language stuff, but that's the same thing that lead to the Celtics being able to acquire Robert Parrish back in the day.
If the Bucks were to get Bamba, he'd be the Robert Parrish to our dynasty.
You compared Bamba to Parish? These are the takes I'm here for
Only because Parrish was traded because GS didn'tlike his body language, so the Celtics were able to steal him. However, Parrish, at the age Bamba is now, wasn't even a pro yet. Bamba will put up huge numbers on the right team. He's already averaging 19.6 points, 12.4 rebounds, and 2.9 blocks per 36.
ShootingtheJ wrote:The Bucks are close, but need one more addition to the rotation.
Available is a player who averaging 20 points, 7 rebounds, and 2 steals per 36, with a 58 TS%, including 45% from 3, on high volume per 36.
He's a raw defender, but he could replace the Forbes role, as Forbes use is very match up specific. He has better size and length than Forbes.
Should we give this guy a shot?
emunney wrote:What does the Weltman/Hammond regime hang its hat on in Orlando? Weltman inherited a 29 win team and it's taken almost 4 years to start the rebuild. Of course, Teflon John will get another 4 years.
Gery Woelfel wrote:Got a time big boy?
midranger wrote:Our books are a mess and we have very few swings to get impact players at a discount via the draft.
I don’t think we can continue to lock up any mediocre player we stumble upon to above market deals handed out by bad teams.
We probably have to do something to get our books in order. That may entail some bold move with Middleton and not overpaying a guy like DDV in restricted FA. I really don’t want to take a step back, but it doesn’t feel like we have enough right now and I don’t see a clear path to get there before we age out of our window with the current team makeup (which realistically was 2 years ago).
Bernman wrote:Outside of developing a personal affinity (which they must not have since they were prepared to deal him), they couldn't justify paying DiVo 15m/yr, which is really multiple times that in luxury tax. Best case scenario they ride it out, then sign & trade him to a team over the cap, getting back an ng'd deal & picks or cheap reclamation prospects. Make use of an asset earned by replenishing them with more. There aren't going to be many other ways to add talent in the upcoming years.
In the meantime, even though he's pretty valuable, ideally he'd be moved to 6th man because offensively he's erratic. He'd also see better match-ups off the bench. In addition he'd upgrade a unit that could use solidification & defense. Just don't know if there's anybody on the team who benches him.
There's been a gaping hole for years in terms of 3+d big wing to floor space & contain star opponents like Kawhi, Butler, Tatum, LeBron, etc. It shouldn't be so hard to fix, but we can never manage. Tried with Marvin & Craig. It didn't quite come off. On the roster we're looking at Tucker, Thanasis, & Nwora. They may be reaches to fill the role. If the Bucks don't get over the hump the next year or two, this will probably be as big of a reason as any.
-Jragon- wrote:Bernman wrote:Outside of developing a personal affinity (which they must not have since they were prepared to deal him), they couldn't justify paying DiVo 15m/yr, which is really multiple times that in luxury tax. Best case scenario they ride it out, then sign & trade him to a team over the cap, getting back an ng'd deal & picks or cheap reclamation prospects. Make use of an asset earned by replenishing them with more. There aren't going to be many other ways to add talent in the upcoming years.
In the meantime, even though he's pretty valuable, ideally he'd be moved to 6th man because offensively he's erratic. He'd also see better match-ups off the bench. In addition he'd upgrade a unit that could use solidification & defense. Just don't know if there's anybody on the team who benches him.
There's been a gaping hole for years in terms of 3+d big wing to floor space & contain star opponents like Kawhi, Butler, Tatum, LeBron, etc. It shouldn't be so hard to fix, but we can never manage. Tried with Marvin & Craig. It didn't quite come off. On the roster we're looking at Tucker, Thanasis, & Nwora. They may be reaches to fill the role. If the Bucks don't get over the hump the next year or two, this will probably be as big of a reason as any.
Agreed.
Also I was thinking about as a pure shooting guard, proper size/shooting skill set, the last time we had a real one was Ray Ray. Everyone has been tweener guards and/or had low efficiency shooting. Brogs or Salmons was probably closest but Brogdon was more of a big PG miscast into SG and Salmons fizzled out after he go paid. Am I missing someone? It's been a lot of 2 PG lineups the past 20 years.
-Jragon- wrote:Bernman wrote:Outside of developing a personal affinity (which they must not have since they were prepared to deal him), they couldn't justify paying DiVo 15m/yr, which is really multiple times that in luxury tax. Best case scenario they ride it out, then sign & trade him to a team over the cap, getting back an ng'd deal & picks or cheap reclamation prospects. Make use of an asset earned by replenishing them with more. There aren't going to be many other ways to add talent in the upcoming years.
In the meantime, even though he's pretty valuable, ideally he'd be moved to 6th man because offensively he's erratic. He'd also see better match-ups off the bench. In addition he'd upgrade a unit that could use solidification & defense. Just don't know if there's anybody on the team who benches him.
There's been a gaping hole for years in terms of 3+d big wing to floor space & contain star opponents like Kawhi, Butler, Tatum, LeBron, etc. It shouldn't be so hard to fix, but we can never manage. Tried with Marvin & Craig. It didn't quite come off. On the roster we're looking at Tucker, Thanasis, & Nwora. They may be reaches to fill the role. If the Bucks don't get over the hump the next year or two, this will probably be as big of a reason as any.
Agreed.
Also I was thinking about as a pure shooting guard, proper size/shooting skill set, the last time we had a real one was Ray Ray. Everyone has been tweener guards and/or had low efficiency shooting. Brogs or Salmons was probably closest but Brogdon was more of a big PG miscast into SG and Salmons fizzled out after he go paid. Am I missing someone? It's been a lot of 2 PG lineups the past 20 years.
Matches Malone wrote:How did NBA fandom get to the point that it's more fun to thirst over players on other teams than to care more about your own team and players...
leroyjw10 wrote:-Jragon- wrote:Bernman wrote:Outside of developing a personal affinity (which they must not have since they were prepared to deal him), they couldn't justify paying DiVo 15m/yr, which is really multiple times that in luxury tax. Best case scenario they ride it out, then sign & trade him to a team over the cap, getting back an ng'd deal & picks or cheap reclamation prospects. Make use of an asset earned by replenishing them with more. There aren't going to be many other ways to add talent in the upcoming years.
In the meantime, even though he's pretty valuable, ideally he'd be moved to 6th man because offensively he's erratic. He'd also see better match-ups off the bench. In addition he'd upgrade a unit that could use solidification & defense. Just don't know if there's anybody on the team who benches him.
There's been a gaping hole for years in terms of 3+d big wing to floor space & contain star opponents like Kawhi, Butler, Tatum, LeBron, etc. It shouldn't be so hard to fix, but we can never manage. Tried with Marvin & Craig. It didn't quite come off. On the roster we're looking at Tucker, Thanasis, & Nwora. They may be reaches to fill the role. If the Bucks don't get over the hump the next year or two, this will probably be as big of a reason as any.
Agreed.
Also I was thinking about as a pure shooting guard, proper size/shooting skill set, the last time we had a real one was Ray Ray. Everyone has been tweener guards and/or had low efficiency shooting. Brogs or Salmons was probably closest but Brogdon was more of a big PG miscast into SG and Salmons fizzled out after he go paid. Am I missing someone? It's been a lot of 2 PG lineups the past 20 years.
Michael Redd was a pretty legit 2-guard.
giannis and 1 wrote:-Jragon- wrote:Bernman wrote:Outside of developing a personal affinity (which they must not have since they were prepared to deal him), they couldn't justify paying DiVo 15m/yr, which is really multiple times that in luxury tax. Best case scenario they ride it out, then sign & trade him to a team over the cap, getting back an ng'd deal & picks or cheap reclamation prospects. Make use of an asset earned by replenishing them with more. There aren't going to be many other ways to add talent in the upcoming years.
In the meantime, even though he's pretty valuable, ideally he'd be moved to 6th man because offensively he's erratic. He'd also see better match-ups off the bench. In addition he'd upgrade a unit that could use solidification & defense. Just don't know if there's anybody on the team who benches him.
There's been a gaping hole for years in terms of 3+d big wing to floor space & contain star opponents like Kawhi, Butler, Tatum, LeBron, etc. It shouldn't be so hard to fix, but we can never manage. Tried with Marvin & Craig. It didn't quite come off. On the roster we're looking at Tucker, Thanasis, & Nwora. They may be reaches to fill the role. If the Bucks don't get over the hump the next year or two, this will probably be as big of a reason as any.
Agreed.
Also I was thinking about as a pure shooting guard, proper size/shooting skill set, the last time we had a real one was Ray Ray. Everyone has been tweener guards and/or had low efficiency shooting. Brogs or Salmons was probably closest but Brogdon was more of a big PG miscast into SG and Salmons fizzled out after he go paid. Am I missing someone? It's been a lot of 2 PG lineups the past 20 years.
Seems like you have huge expectations and are not appreciating what we have in DDV because of it. I'd like that type of player too but there are way bigger problems on this roster than DDV.
Gery Woelfel wrote:Got a time big boy?
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