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Post#621 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:36 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:Jesus that looked bad, I really hope for Murray it's not too serious. Fingers crossed. Hate to see this.

i hope it's not serious, that looked really bad. damn
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Post#622 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:38 am

That looked like an ACL tear, especially with how he reacted.
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Post#623 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:40 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:i think we need him to create though. cause our offense is pretty ass since we have limited creators next to randle. im sure he will sacrifice some of his touches though. peep what he said after he was named an all star this year


i feel like this is the exact type of player thibs loves to coach. randle and rj has that same mindset too.

even though lavine is getting much better every single year, i feel like the results hasn't resulted into wins because of his coaches and horrible roster construction around him. we all know how bad jim boylen was. billy donovan is pretty overrated to me. he lets players do whatever they want. he never held westbrook accountable. i watched a lot of OKC games when melo was there and they had no system. it was just isolation ball and the big 3 would just take turns isolating. donovan's record is only reflective of the talent he had that carried him, not necessarily his coaching ability imo



Knowing Thibs history, I think he's going to push for them to go after Beal this summer.


WWW has connections to him.

It's not the way I'd want the team to go but feel like this is what happens.



I don't think Thibs has the patience to wait for LaVine, if they can get Lonzo then trade for Beal I think they'll do it. He gave the Timberwolves 1 season, then made changes, he's gonna do the same here and I'd expect him to push for us to trade Mitch/Obi/IQ, our 1st rounder, Mavs pick and a future first to get him, it would be like the Butler move.
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Post#624 » by Chanel Bomber » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:03 am

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Chanel Bomber wrote:Jesus that looked bad, I really hope for Murray it's not too serious. Fingers crossed. Hate to see this.

i hope it's not serious, that looked really bad. damn

Thibs needs to chill with the minutes by the way, especially with the condensed schedule.

I would like to see him play RJ and Randle less some nights, if not rest for a game.
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Post#625 » by TheGreenArrow » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:05 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:That looked like an ACL tear, especially with how he reacted.


That looked like the oladipo injury!!!!
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Post#626 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:18 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

Knowing Thibs history, I think he's going to push for them to go after Beal this summer.


WWW has connections to him.

It's not the way I'd want the team to go but feel like this is what happens.



I don't think Thibs has the patience to wait for LaVine, if they can get Lonzo then trade for Beal I think they'll do it. He gave the Timberwolves 1 season, then made changes, he's gonna do the same here and I'd expect him to push for us to trade Mitch/Obi/IQ, our 1st rounder, Mavs pick and a future first to get him, it would be like the Butler move.


Paying 40% of your cap space for a guy whose 3 FG% has gone into a steady five year decline would be ridiculous. We need backcourt guys and maybe another wing who are lights out from three point land and that is not Beal. He is way overpaid. We already get more efficient scoring from Randle at a vastly better price.
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Post#627 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:35 am

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
WWW has connections to him.

It's not the way I'd want the team to go but feel like this is what happens.



I don't think Thibs has the patience to wait for LaVine, if they can get Lonzo then trade for Beal I think they'll do it. He gave the Timberwolves 1 season, then made changes, he's gonna do the same here and I'd expect him to push for us to trade Mitch/Obi/IQ, our 1st rounder, Mavs pick and a future first to get him, it would be like the Butler move.


Paying 40% of your cap space for a guy whose 3 FG% has gone into a steady five year decline would be ridiculous. We need backcourt guys and maybe another wing who are lights out from three point land and that is not Beal. He is way overpaid. We already get more efficient scoring from Randle at a vastly better price.


I'm not saying I want Beal, just that I see him as the obvious target this summer, especially with how we're linked to SGs so much. Also, look at how we use Burks and how much rely on him, they don't just want catch and shoot guys, I think it's pretty obvious we're gonna try to get 3-4 creators on the floor in the future. Thibs isn't going to go into next season without taking another step up, they'll want to kick it up another level. Come on man, Randle is not a more efficient scorer, Beal has a higher TS, scores more per minute & per shot attempt, he's even more efficient in isolation (.86ppp vs .96ppp).
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Post#628 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:46 am

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Clyde_Style wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

I don't think Thibs has the patience to wait for LaVine, if they can get Lonzo then trade for Beal I think they'll do it. He gave the Timberwolves 1 season, then made changes, he's gonna do the same here and I'd expect him to push for us to trade Mitch/Obi/IQ, our 1st rounder, Mavs pick and a future first to get him, it would be like the Butler move.


Paying 40% of your cap space for a guy whose 3 FG% has gone into a steady five year decline would be ridiculous. We need backcourt guys and maybe another wing who are lights out from three point land and that is not Beal. He is way overpaid. We already get more efficient scoring from Randle at a vastly better price.


I'm not saying I want Beal, just that I see him as the obvious target this summer, especially with how we're linked to SGs so much. Also, look at how we use Burks and how much rely on him, they don't just want catch and shoot guys, I think it's pretty obvious we're gonna try to get 3-4 creators on the floor in the future. Thibs isn't going to go into next season without taking another step up, they'll want to kick it up another level. Come on man, Randle is not a more efficient scorer, Beal has a higher TS, scores more per minute & per shot attempt, he's even more efficient in isolation (.86ppp vs .96ppp).


Go look at the progression in his 3FG%. He has declined every year for five years. He feasts from 2FG% which bolsters his weaker three point shooting. He qualifies as a penetrating scorer, but in today's game to be considered a superstar while shooting 34% from outside just doesn't cut it.
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Post#629 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:48 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
WWW has connections to him.

It's not the way I'd want the team to go but feel like this is what happens.



I don't think Thibs has the patience to wait for LaVine, if they can get Lonzo then trade for Beal I think they'll do it. He gave the Timberwolves 1 season, then made changes, he's gonna do the same here and I'd expect him to push for us to trade Mitch/Obi/IQ, our 1st rounder, Mavs pick and a future first to get him, it would be like the Butler move.


Paying 40% of your cap space for a guy whose 3 FG% has gone into a steady five year decline would be ridiculous. We need backcourt guys and maybe another wing who are lights out from three point land and that is not Beal. He is way overpaid. We already get more efficient scoring from Randle at a vastly better price.

I don't know about that. He really is one of the best scorers out there. Percentages take a dive if you're the only one out of 12 players that their defense needs to watch. I mean not even Westbrook is a threat to defenses really.
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Post#630 » by Montmorencie » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:50 pm

Beal is a dinosaur. We don't need him. Bring Lavine in or go for Lonzo and put everything on Julius and RJ, with Ball they should be significantly better.
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Post#631 » by god shammgod » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:18 pm

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yeah, the nba put a lot of guys careers at risk to fit in all these games and end somewhat on time. it's why the contenders are resting guys extra when they have injuries. i don't like how they did this.
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Post#632 » by KnicksGadfly » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:28 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Paying 40% of your cap space for a guy whose 3 FG% has gone into a steady five year decline would be ridiculous. We need backcourt guys and maybe another wing who are lights out from three point land and that is not Beal. He is way overpaid. We already get more efficient scoring from Randle at a vastly better price.


I'm not saying I want Beal, just that I see him as the obvious target this summer, especially with how we're linked to SGs so much. Also, look at how we use Burks and how much rely on him, they don't just want catch and shoot guys, I think it's pretty obvious we're gonna try to get 3-4 creators on the floor in the future. Thibs isn't going to go into next season without taking another step up, they'll want to kick it up another level. Come on man, Randle is not a more efficient scorer, Beal has a higher TS, scores more per minute & per shot attempt, he's even more efficient in isolation (.86ppp vs .96ppp).


Go look at the progression in his 3FG%. He has declined every year for five years. He feasts from 2FG% which bolsters his weaker three point shooting. He qualifies as a penetrating scorer, but in today's game to be considered a superstar while shooting 34% from outside just doesn't cut it.


Cuts it for me. Beal and Harden have probably gone through the same thing in past years. They've taken on an offensive load, and basically lost efficiency from 3 and defensive effort in the process. Put them on the right team, and the efficiency and effort will return. Some people are going to get on me for this, but I have not been a big fan of Westbrook for a while and I don't see him as any better than Randle and RJ right now. He gives you a lot with intangibles, aggression, and some all around pay and gives back a lot with inefficiency, lackadaisical defense, lack of spacing, a team required to be built around him, and turnovers. I think Randle would be a better fit for Beal and even RJ. If we got Beal, I think his efficiency would return and with Thibs, the defense should come back. The other piece of evidence I offer up is that his assists have risen over the years, showing more on-ball play, and his free throw rate remains really high.

Would I make a trade for Beal? It depends. It'd have to be a Kawhi Leonard type of situation. Basically, the Clips overpaid in their trade for Paul George, but their thinking was: we're not just making a trade for George...we're getting Kawhi too. So if we make that trade for Beal and overpay, I would want assurances that we'd have some other help coming on the way.
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Post#633 » by Rasho Brezec » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:47 pm

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yeah, the nba put a lot of guys careers at risk to fit in all these games and end somewhat on time. it's why the contenders are resting guys extra when they have injuries. i don't like how they did this.

Congested schedule and play-in tournament are complete failures. Silver's a bad commissioner.
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Post#634 » by WargamesX » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:54 pm

KnicksGod wrote:There is one way that KP is truly a unicorn after I gave it a little thought:

A 25 year old Max player -- who has already missed large chunks of NBA time and who only averaged about 18 MPG in his overseas career -- rarely plays in back to back games to baby him along. He is pretty much the only NBA player you can say that about ever, which is pretty much the definition of unicorny.


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Post#635 » by WargamesX » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:57 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:i think we need him to create though. cause our offense is pretty ass since we have limited creators next to randle. im sure he will sacrifice some of his touches though. peep what he said after he was named an all star this year


i feel like this is the exact type of player thibs loves to coach. randle and rj has that same mindset too.

even though lavine is getting much better every single year, i feel like the results hasn't resulted into wins because of his coaches and horrible roster construction around him. we all know how bad jim boylen was. billy donovan is pretty overrated to me. he lets players do whatever they want. he never held westbrook accountable. i watched a lot of OKC games when melo was there and they had no system. it was just isolation ball and the big 3 would just take turns isolating. donovan's record is only reflective of the talent he had that carried him, not necessarily his coaching ability imo



Knowing Thibs history, I think he's going to push for them to go after Beal this summer.


WWW has connections to him.

It's not the way I'd want the team to go but feel like this is what happens.


Honestly, in some ways, Beal is more likely. For one he may take a pay cut because he's been chasing the bag without any success, also NYC is close enough to DC he wouldn't have to give up his philanthropic efforts in the community.

Lavine might come based on familiarity with Thibs and because by then I expect the Knicks to be winners and look a lot better than the Bulls. We'll be better than the Wizards, though I have a sneaking suspicion they will be a winner in this year's draft.
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Post#636 » by SelbyCobra » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:07 pm

It was the ACL.

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Post#637 » by god shammgod » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:16 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:It was the ACL.

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Post#638 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:18 pm

on the bright side most players recover 100% from acl tears now days. but this sucks for the nuggets cause they were looking to make a big run in the playoffs
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Post#639 » by god shammgod » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:20 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:on the bright side most players recover 100% from acl tears now days. but this sucks for the nuggets cause they were looking to make a big run in the playoffs


he might not even play next year. about a little less than a year to recover. do you come back towards the end of next season or take the extra rest to be sure you don't get re-injured ? it's smarter to take the whole year off.
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Post#640 » by robillionaire » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:25 pm

god shammgod wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:on the bright side most players recover 100% from acl tears now days. but this sucks for the nuggets cause they were looking to make a big run in the playoffs


he might not even play next year. about a little less than a year to recover. do you come back towards the end of next season or take the extra rest to be sure you don't get re-injured ? it's smarter to take the whole year off.


they owe him a lot of money too. yeesh.
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