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[Papi_swav]

Cops are not trained to fire at those running away from them unless they pose an immediate threat to the public. It is literally agains the law for them to do so. And yes, white people get killed by cops all the time too, but at drastically disproportionate rates for traffic stops and non violent crimes. White people dont get pulled over for a tail light and then get murdered for it.



it happens to black people at a drastically disproportionate rate. when white people are killed by cops, its typically warranted, or accidental. for blacks, a large portion of it is pure racism and hatred.

ok so him running back in the car, is there any way possible that can be an immediate threat? He might have a gun in there, maybe a weapon. What if he just drove off and hit a pedestrian then what? exactly. Or maybe he could of got in the car and hit reverse and ran those cops over. There is immediate threat to the public, I just gave u 3 instances that can happen and it can be more. Shut that theory down quick.

The law doesnt allow for those assumptions. it needs to be "a clear and imminent danger to the public". Like the dude pulled out a gun and is aiming it, or has a knife and is running at someone weilding it. Getting in a car to flee doesnt qualify unless you had reason to believe the guy was drunk.

The entire purpose of these laws is to avoid weapons being fired... not just for the safety of the person involved, by innocent bystanders.

there are alot of "could haves". bending over backwards. how about this. the cop could have no shot him, and apprehended him then or later in 1000 other ways that would of kept him alive, the cops safer and innoicent bystanders safer. lets not forget someone else was in the car, and when the dude was shot and killed it his body was pressed on the accelerator and it sped into another car. that could of kit and killed young kids crossing the street. its reckless and its illegal.

hell even the police chief came out and said she deserves her due process but he can tell from looking that she was in the wrong in every aspect

you guys seriously have some reading comprehension issues. I said from the very first post she deserves to be punished. But you stuck up stubborn posters here are trying to say that him fleeing was the right thing to do. You have no clue how the world works. You keep on thinking the world is a perfect place and cops "suppose to follow these rules" and "it's illegal" blah blah. We've seen this story time and time again. We know what to do and what not to do when being pulled over or detained etc. Be smart and act accordingly . I'm done arguing with u over this. Go ahead and run away when the cops pull u over, let me know how that works for u.

[Papi_swav]

He's okay with it because he's a racist prick who already outed himself as one in the thread about Kevin Durant and Michael Rapaport. I'm not remotely surprised he's ok with Black man resisting arrest = death.

Dude I'm probably blacker than you. I'm just glad I'm not a over sensitive "man" with single mother tendencies trying to tarnish another person image over the internet = pointless. Come back when you're ready for a civilized conversation instead of just yelling and name calling.

"Single mother tendencies"? What is wrong with you?

Man, you are a piece of ****.

Also, I'm West Indian American, and my roots start in the area of Nigeria, Benin & Togo in Africa you racist prick. Keep carrying over that trauma from getting bullied on basketball courts as a kid to adulthood

Yea u definitely do have single mother tendencies everyone here knows it. The name calling and the pouting like a teenage girl. please get real. Calling me a POS and the long list of other names justifies it.

And i don't care what you are or where you're from. I never been bullied on the court ever. I did the bullying, but I never bullied someone because they was whiter or darker then me, that's what ya do. U assumed I was talking about myself, slap yourself. You probably one of those Indian looking carribbeans, u don't qualify.

[Papi_swav]

There are several black members of this board, who im sure will take exception to that. and what block exactly have you been around?

And I'm probably more darker skin then those members u speak of . You're not speaking to a white guy like yourself or someone that looks like u. When I speak, i speak from experience and expertise , not out of my culo. I guess you don't understand figure of speech, shame.

You're a racist antiblack prick, just because you're a person of color doesn't absolve you from that label. You have made your feelings about Black people quite clear, so don't sit here and use the fact that you aren't White to shield you from this fact

Tell me what have I said that makes me anti black? and don't use your sensitivity with your logic like u always do.

[GTR11]

ok so him running back in the car, is there any way possible that can be an immediate threat? He might have a gun in there, maybe a weapon. What if he just drove off and hit a pedestrian then what? exactly. Or maybe he could of got in the car and hit reverse and ran those cops over. There is immediate threat to the public, I just gave u 3 instances that can happen and it can be more. Shut that theory down quick.

The law doesnt allow for those assumptions. it needs to be "a clear and imminent danger to the public". Like the dude pulled out a gun and is aiming it, or has a knife and is running at someone weilding it. Getting in a car to flee doesnt qualify unless you had reason to believe the guy was drunk.

The entire purpose of these laws is to avoid weapons being fired... not just for the safety of the person involved, by innocent bystanders.

there are alot of "could haves". bending over backwards. how about this. the cop could have no shot him, and apprehended him then or later in 1000 other ways that would of kept him alive, the cops safer and innoicent bystanders safer. lets not forget someone else was in the car, and when the dude was shot and killed it his body was pressed on the accelerator and it sped into another car. that could of kit and killed young kids crossing the street. its reckless and its illegal.

hell even the police chief came out and said she deserves her due process but he can tell from looking that she was in the wrong in every aspect

you guys seriously have some reading comprehension issues. I said from the very first post she deserves to be punished. But you stuck up stubborn posters here are trying to say that him fleeing was the right thing to do. You have no clue how the world works. You keep on thinking the world is a perfect place and cops "suppose to follow these rules" and "it's illegal" blah blah. We've seen this story time and time again. We know what to do and what not to do when being pulled over or detained etc. Be smart and act accordingly . I'm done arguing with u over this. Go ahead and run away when the cops pull u over, let me know how that works for u.

Definitely seen that part, you stated it. You resist arrest consequences will follow ( rightfully so ). We not 5 year old kids not to know better.

I don't see hate crime here by any means. You can be White, Asian, Latin America etc , but if you start resisting arrest you put your, police officers and everyone else lifes in danger.

Did this kid have to die? Absolutely not, it's clearly failed apprehension. We get written up, fired and arrested for failing to do your job properly. Let qualified people figure out this situation.

After Floyd hate murder, it's definitely going to get rocky. Community leaders should get involved, police need to be open to work with them. This situation can easily get out of control.

[Papi_swav]

The law doesnt allow for those assumptions. it needs to be "a clear and imminent danger to the public". Like the dude pulled out a gun and is aiming it, or has a knife and is running at someone weilding it. Getting in a car to flee doesnt qualify unless you had reason to believe the guy was drunk.

The entire purpose of these laws is to avoid weapons being fired... not just for the safety of the person involved, by innocent bystanders.

there are alot of "could haves". bending over backwards. how about this. the cop could have no shot him, and apprehended him then or later in 1000 other ways that would of kept him alive, the cops safer and innoicent bystanders safer. lets not forget someone else was in the car, and when the dude was shot and killed it his body was pressed on the accelerator and it sped into another car. that could of kit and killed young kids crossing the street. its reckless and its illegal.

hell even the police chief came out and said she deserves her due process but he can tell from looking that she was in the wrong in every aspect

you guys seriously have some reading comprehension issues. I said from the very first post she deserves to be punished. But you stuck up stubborn posters here are trying to say that him fleeing was the right thing to do. You have no clue how the world works. You keep on thinking the world is a perfect place and cops "suppose to follow these rules" and "it's illegal" blah blah. We've seen this story time and time again. We know what to do and what not to do when being pulled over or detained etc. Be smart and act accordingly . I'm done arguing with u over this. Go ahead and run away when the cops pull u over, let me know how that works for u.

Definitely seen that part, you stated it. You resist arrest consequences will follow ( rightfully so ). We not 5 year old kids not to know better.

I don't see hate crime here by any means. You can be White, Asian, Latin America etc , but if you start resisting arrest you put your, police officers and everyone else lifes in danger.

Did this kid have to die? Absolutely not, it's clearly failed apprehension. We get written up, fired and arrested for failing to do your job properly. Let qualified people figure out this situation.

After Floyd hate murder, it's definitely going to get rocky. Community leaders should get involved, police need to be open to work with them. This situation can easily get out of control.

thank you, finally somebody with some sense. I was starting to lose faith in this board. This is my whole point here.

[Papi_swav]

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Some of you here need to listen to this. Now what are you're thoughts?

[LOUiS-D]

No one is going to argue that Daunte played that situaion well. You don't need to get into why he did what he did. The only thing that's important is that his death was unjust. Whether intentional or due to massive incompetence that's at least manslaughter.

Unjust for sure, clearly a faild situation by police. However I don't see a racist act by police here. Police who was trying to handcuff him was AA himself.
To be honest none of us qualified to suggest how to police should apprehend people. Few years ago NYPD officer was killed during apprehension of civilian. That guy resisted arrest, did that NYPD officer had to die?

Even if the final act itself wasn't inspired by racism you have to consider the broader context before you can rule it out as a tragic and honest mistake. I don't know the broader context, so I can't speak to it. Beyond racism the application of deadly force is a human rights issue and should concern everyone.

There's a point of incompetence where a layman becomes qualified to criticize professional procedure. "Whoopsy, I drew and discharged a deadly weapon" isn't good enough.

This incident provokes is a valid political discussion because the funding, training and policies of the police force are brutalizing civilians. There's a growing consensus that law enforcement needs to be more accountable and transparent to the public they serve and the laws regarding the application of potentially lethal force need to be shifted drastically towards safety for all parties involved.

To add on my 2c. The law should leave people the f*** alone who aren't hurting anybody. The #1 issue there being the decriminalization of drugs. The war on drugs has been a genocide that directly attacks poorer communities and was founded firmly in racism.

[GTR11]

No one is going to argue that Daunte played that situaion well. You don't need to get into why he did what he did. The only thing that's important is that his death was unjust. Whether intentional or due to massive incompetence that's at least manslaughter.

Unjust for sure, clearly a faild situation by police. However I don't see a racist act by police here. Police who was trying to handcuff him was AA himself.
To be honest none of us qualified to suggest how to police should apprehend people. Few years ago NYPD officer was killed during apprehension of civilian. That guy resisted arrest, did that NYPD officer had to die?

Even if the final act itself wasn't inspired by racism you have to consider the broader context before you can deem the situation as a tragic and honest mistake. I don't know the broader context, so I can't speak to it. Beyond racism the application of deadly force is a human rights issue and should concern everyone.

There's a point of incompetence where a layman becomes qualified to criticize professional procedure. "Whoopsy, I drew and discharged a deadly weapon" isn't good enough.

This incident provokes is a valid political discussion because the funding, training and policies of the police force are brutalizing civilians. There's a growing consensus that law enforcement needs to be more accountable and transparent to the public they serve and the laws regarding the application of potentially lethal force need to be shifted drastically towards safety for all parties involved.

To add on my 2c. The law should leave people the f*** alone who aren't hurting anybody. The #1 issue there being the decriminalization of drugs. The war on drugs has been a genocide that directly attacks poorer communities and was founded firmly in racism.

Agreed, there is a lot of unfit police officers out there and we see that more often than not today. Why is that, as you've mentioned it already, due to broken system. It does need to be reformed.

Now answer me this question though. Do you think decriminalization of weed will help communities in helping children education, making roads safer from DUI's , providing better quality of life by whatever you think it is?

[LOUiS-D]

Now answer me this question though. Do you think decriminalization of weed will help communities in helping children education, making roads safer from DUI's , providing better quality of life by whatever you think it is?

I am exactly the type of obnoxious bleeding heart, holier than thou, fart sniffing, privileged white liberal douche that I sound like I am.

I don't necessarily have answers, nor can I say with great confidence what the knock on effects of drug reform could be. What concerns me at present is people having the course of their lives changed (and by extension families and communties) for something as inconsequential as drug possession. Alcohol can be incredibly harmful. Yes it's legal, but there are some limitations on that legality such as public drunkeness, DUIs and you require training and a license to sell it. What we're seeing now is a shift towards a less adversarial relationship with drug users and I hope that continues.

I'd say education is a separate and related issue. Historical and ongoing institutional racism has resulted in widespread inequality of opportunity. The worse the opportunities you have available to you the more compelling various forms of addiction become as a respite from pain.

[MrDollarBills]

Dude I'm probably blacker than you. I'm just glad I'm not a over sensitive "man" with single mother tendencies trying to tarnish another person image over the internet = pointless. Come back when you're ready for a civilized conversation instead of just yelling and name calling.

"Single mother tendencies"? What is wrong with you?

Man, you are a piece of ****.

Also, I'm West Indian American, and my roots start in the area of Nigeria, Benin & Togo in Africa you racist prick. Keep carrying over that trauma from getting bullied on basketball courts as a kid to adulthood

Yea u definitely do have single mother tendencies everyone here knows it. The name calling and the pouting like a teenage girl. please get real. Calling me a POS and the long list of other names justifies it.

And i don't care what you are or where you're from. I never been bullied on the court ever. I did the bullying, but I never bullied someone because they was whiter or darker then me, that's what ya do. U assumed I was talking about myself, slap yourself. You probably one of those Indian looking carribbeans, u don't qualify.

Keep digging that hole for yourself, racist. None of this disproves what you are, it makes you look even worse. "Single mother tendencies", care to go into detail about what you mean by that, or do we need to chalk that up to you being racist and misogynist?

"I did the bullying" lol and you think that makes you sound any better. Sure you did buddy. I guarantee you wouldn't say none of the **** you've said about Black people on here to anyone Black irl. Keep being in your feelings because you got punked.

And you keep harping on about how dark your skin is, no one gives a damn what shade your skin is idiot, you're the only one caught up on skin color you antiBlack, racist **** stain.

"One of those Indian looking Caribbeans". Yeah, dude you are totally not racist. Keep going dude, tell us how you really feel.

[MrDollarBills]

Yea you're white so stop speaking on things u have no idea about.

I'm latino and I'm brown skin. Before you guys here trying to paint me as a racist I actually look black. And I get stopped and pulled over alot. And guess what, I act accordingly because in my mind I know how these cops operate. I would never run no matter how scared I am/was. There has been times I've been detained and cops yanking me throwing me on the ground etc.. I seen it all and been thru it so I know wtf Im talking about. Running is thee WORST thing you can do besides trying to reach for something. We're taught not to run in elementary school.

But yea go ahead, you and everybody else in here owe me an apology.

your not black either

Alot blacker than you white boy, and probably everybody else on this board. I been around the block. A know this thing called life more than u do. Go kick rocks.

Yeah, you're totally not racist, I'm sure.

[MrDollarBills]

No one is going to argue that Daunte played that situaion well. You don't need to get into why he did what he did. The only thing that's important is that his death was unjust. Whether intentional or due to massive incompetence that's at least manslaughter.

This.

The fact that you have ppl on here basically agreeing with the notion that resisting arrest should equal death is apart of the problem, people are conditioned to think this is OK when it isn't. This is the only western country where this happens on a regular basis, American cops kill more people than any other police in the world. In the UK cops aren't blowing people away for trying to run so why is that acceptable here?

Yet we see cases where legit mass murderers are arrested and detained without a single shot going off. Why is that? Why are cops more jumpy around a Black 20 year old who is unarmed and trying to flee over a dude with an AR that just mowed down people 5 mins before? That's a serious problem.

To be clear, I don't think this is a hate crime. I don't know the officer, but it is clear from the video that she is incompetent and not trained properly to react well under duress to make a mistake like that. She should not be out on the street if she can't tell the difference between an 8 oz taser and 2 pound handgun. This adds fuel to the fire regarding cops and race, no doubt, but to me just looking at the situation this kid got killed by an idiot.

[ecuhus1981]

I'm blacker than all y'all, contest over.

Mods, I vote to merge this thread into the Politics thread. We need a clean slate, the game was just officially announced for 4:00 p.m. Eastern today.

[MGrand15]

How about the fact that there's 0 chance a white person gets pulled over in this situation to begin with? All of this could've been avoided.

Daunte's 2 infractions were:

1. Expired registration.
2. Hanging an air freshener on his mirror.

For the first point - cops in this area have been told that there's a backlog for updated registrations cause of COVID. 3 to 6 months behind. They've been told to not pull people over for this. The air freshener is a classic one. Just looking for anything minor just to stop a black person.

Cops panicking and completely failing at their job around black people is just way too common. Arresting him with the car door open right in front of his car. Letting him get away when they damn near had him cuffed already. Confusing a gun and a taser. Deploying the weapon with another innocent person in the car. All of it was completely unnecessary.

Just as a personal story, I was in a parking lot when a cop walked up to a car next to me. Kind of weird but nothing too crazy. A second later, the cop pointed a gun at the guys face and told him to turn off the car. The guy thought for a second and backed out - speeding away anyway. The cop was basically hanging onto the car as this happened. They let him go. Caught him like 30 minutes later. The guy was a known car thief. Of course, the "just comply" people would've been thrilled if he blasted the guy's face off but it's not necessary. If he gets away, you have the car, the description, all his information, AND you're ready for him to potentially flee. We don't need cops who are expecting to stop someone for a traffic violation to turn into Rambo. It's really not that complicated.

[Sharcm1]

The rescheduled the game for 4 pm est today. I’ll be working and will miss the first half

[Stone]

Hey how about them Nets........

[gigantes]

No one is going to argue that Daunte played that situaion well. You don't need to get into why he did what he did. The only thing that's important is that his death was unjust. Whether intentional or due to massive incompetence that's at least manslaughter.

Yet we see cases where legit mass murderers are arrested and detained without a single shot going off. Why is that? Why are cops more jumpy around a Black 20 year old who is unarmed and trying to flee over a dude with an AR that just mowed down people 5 mins before? That's a serious problem.

To be clear, I don't think this is a hate crime. I don't know the officer, but it is clear from the video that she is incompetent and not trained properly to react well under duress to make a mistake like that. She should not be out on the street if she can't tell the difference between an 8 oz taser and 2 pound handgun. This adds fuel to the fire regarding cops and race, no doubt, but to me just looking at the situation this kid got killed by an idiot.

I think the problem is that "to protect and serve (the community)" is only an ideal that happens when everything goes right. The core definition of "to protect and serve..." is actually "...the privileged rich," which goes hand-in-hand with corporations and the wealthy increasingly & sharply taking over the laws, crime and punishment system since around the time of Nixon.

They even found a way to reinterpret 2nd amendment language about gun ownership for a regulated, healthy militia in to a basic right to bear arms for all, something that was certainly never intended by the framers.

Anyway, from what I understand, most police depts in the States have significantly shorter training periods (6 mos, I think) compared to their counterparts in other 1st-world countries, and that's by design. They're getting the 'respect my authority' training, but not so much the more nuanced training, such as how to defuse situations, how to give aid and understanding, how to recognise people with mental issues, how to team-up effectively with social services when a police presence isn't really needed, etc.

When AOC and others say "defund the police," the operators (the rich) and their tools (the ignorati, racists & bullies) cry bloody murder, but what she's really suggesting is that the police get better, longer, and more varied training, and that companion services get more of the overall funding.

All of this would be possible, including basic 1st-world services, like universal healthcare, if the rich weren't running this prolonged scam at the expense of the general populace. Unfortunately, they've also become masters of appealing to / stirring up said ignorati, racists and bullies.

So the whole system rolls on with impunity, and we keep thinking 'surely THIS will be the crucial moment things begin to change,' and yet they inexplicably don't change.

/little bit rantish and oversimplified, but I think that hits a good chunk of the situation

[Papi_swav]

"Single mother tendencies"? What is wrong with you?

Man, you are a piece of ****.

Also, I'm West Indian American, and my roots start in the area of Nigeria, Benin & Togo in Africa you racist prick. Keep carrying over that trauma from getting bullied on basketball courts as a kid to adulthood

Yea u definitely do have single mother tendencies everyone here knows it. The name calling and the pouting like a teenage girl. please get real. Calling me a POS and the long list of other names justifies it.

And i don't care what you are or where you're from. I never been bullied on the court ever. I did the bullying, but I never bullied someone because they was whiter or darker then me, that's what ya do. U assumed I was talking about myself, slap yourself. You probably one of those Indian looking carribbeans, u don't qualify.

Keep digging that hole for yourself, racist. None of this disproves what you are, it makes you look even worse. "Single mother tendencies", care to go into detail about what you mean by that, or do we need to chalk that up to you being racist and misogynist?

"I did the bullying" lol and you think that makes you sound any better. Sure you did buddy. I guarantee you wouldn't say none of the **** you've said about Black people on here to anyone Black irl. Keep being in your feelings because you got punked.

And you keep harping on about how dark your skin is, no one gives a damn what shade your skin is idiot, you're the only one caught up on skin color you antiBlack, racist **** stain.

"One of those Indian looking Caribbeans". Yeah, dude you are totally not racist. Keep going dude, tell us how you really feel.

When someone is right, ppl is quick to call you names like racist, idiot etc.. Yea I'll elaborate clearly since you're so quick to pull the racist card. How does single mother tendencies qualify as being racist u re re? You act out like a child and always crying and pouting on here, always name calling. These are things women do, and men with no father figure in their lives tend to act like their single mother hence single mother tendencies. This spells u. Do I have to spell it out for your simple behind even more or u have no logic? You don't know how to have a logical conversation like REAL MEN do without name calling and trying to tarnish someone's image, this is exactly what women do. And you definitely took after your single mother. Sorry it's not my fault you grew up like that homie. Don't be mad at me, be mad at your pops.

Dude I say all this s*** in real life. You have no idea who you're talking to you think I'm scared of anybody. I fear god bro. I'm not one of these lil white dudes that cross the street when I see a black dude. Like I said I grew up in East NY fighting almost everyday. Me and my friends talk about stuff like this alot IRL. I never got punked, I'm 6 feet 225, ain't nobody ever bully me in my life I made sure of that. I don't come from a white suburb like u , I'm from the block. Stay in Hoboken.

You're definitely one of those Indian looking caribbeans I can tell you Trini or Guyanese. Again, you don't qualify .

[Papi_swav]

your not black either

Alot blacker than you white boy, and probably everybody else on this board. I been around the block. A know this thing called life more than u do. Go kick rocks.

Yeah, you're totally not racist, I'm sure.

You're right about that, far from racist. You're just sensitive af and always have your period. I bet your 300 pounds IRL

[Hello Brooklyn]

Ok guys lets get this thread back on track. Game starts in an hour.