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Post#641 » by god shammgod » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:30 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:on the bright side most players recover 100% from acl tears now days. but this sucks for the nuggets cause they were looking to make a big run in the playoffs


he might not even play next year. about a little less than a year to recover. do you come back towards the end of next season or take the extra rest to be sure you don't get re-injured ? it's smarter to take the whole year off.


they owe him a lot of money too. yeesh.


the season will start in late oct/early nov next year so he'll probably just get healthy around playoff time. do you come back to that intensity off an acl tear ? not if you're smart.
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Post#642 » by robillionaire » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:32 pm

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Paying 40% of your cap space for a guy whose 3 FG% has gone into a steady five year decline would be ridiculous. We need backcourt guys and maybe another wing who are lights out from three point land and that is not Beal. He is way overpaid. We already get more efficient scoring from Randle at a vastly better price.


I'm not saying I want Beal, just that I see him as the obvious target this summer, especially with how we're linked to SGs so much. Also, look at how we use Burks and how much rely on him, they don't just want catch and shoot guys, I think it's pretty obvious we're gonna try to get 3-4 creators on the floor in the future. Thibs isn't going to go into next season without taking another step up, they'll want to kick it up another level. Come on man, Randle is not a more efficient scorer, Beal has a higher TS, scores more per minute & per shot attempt, he's even more efficient in isolation (.86ppp vs .96ppp).


Go look at the progression in his 3FG%. He has declined every year for five years. He feasts from 2FG% which bolsters his weaker three point shooting. He qualifies as a penetrating scorer, but in today's game to be considered a superstar while shooting 34% from outside just doesn't cut it.


I agree. He's already hit his ceiling and bounced off it, he's putting up big numbers chucking 22.5 shots a game on a tanking team and it's not turning into winning basketball. I would be somewhat hesitant to even max him out if he was a free agent, forget giving up the boatload of assets they'd want for him
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Post#643 » by robillionaire » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:33 pm

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he might not even play next year. about a little less than a year to recover. do you come back towards the end of next season or take the extra rest to be sure you don't get re-injured ? it's smarter to take the whole year off.


they owe him a lot of money too. yeesh.


the season will start in late oct/early nov next year so he'll probably just get healthy around playoff time. do you come back to that intensity off an acl tear ? not if you're smart.


Yeah I concur. If I was him I wouldn't come back and if I were Denver given his contract I wouldn't let him come back next year even if he wanted to
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Post#644 » by robillionaire » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:40 pm

Also I don't blame the schedule for it. Murray already DNP'ed the last several games and hadn't played in 8 days. people tear ACLs every day B
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Post#645 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:03 pm

Karma gods caught up with the Nuggets for trading Broken Antonio McDyess to the Knicks. Took nearly twenty years, but that is a blink of an eye to deities.
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Post#646 » by robillionaire » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:15 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Karma gods caught up with the Nuggets for trading Broken Antonio McDyess to the Knicks. Took nearly twenty years, but that is a blink of an eye to deities.


Keep in mind they took Murray with the Knicks pick in 2016 that they still had from the bargnani trade, another valuable clue that this was the cause
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Post#647 » by SelbyCobra » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:16 pm

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Post#649 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:10 pm

Montmorencie wrote:Beal is a dinosaur. We don't need him. Bring Lavine in or go for Lonzo and put everything on Julius and RJ, with Ball they should be significantly better.

If anything, Lonzo Ball is the basketball equivalent if a dinosaur. I'd more likely see a Mark Jackson type of athlete or an Eric Snow type of point guard when watching Lonzo before I'd count Bradley Beal out of modern basketball on the peak of his game. Also, Beal is just as good as Lavine. We're talking about the NBA's scoring leader, I mean this year, so wtf?
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Post#650 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:10 pm

Montmorencie wrote:Beal is a dinosaur. We don't need him. Bring Lavine in or go for Lonzo and put everything on Julius and RJ, with Ball they should be significantly better.

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Post#651 » by Knicksfan1992 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:22 pm

robillionaire wrote:Also I don't blame the schedule for it. Murray already DNP'ed the last several games and hadn't played in 8 days. people tear ACLs every day B


Yeah of course in today's world there needs to be a scapegoat and something to complain about on social media for everything :roll:

Is the schedule ideal? No... but Murray also knowingly played with a sore knee. He didn't have to and i'm sure the medical staff relayed that to him. It sucks and I feel for him for sure. Nobody wants to see major career altering injuries but that's literally a part of the job description and risks associated. He'll be fine in the long run with how we treat ACL's nowadays.

The players also signed up for it and complained when they didn't have their summer off for the bubble last year so you kinda can't have it both ways. Either rush to get the season in before the summer starts or wait and lose your summer and delay the following season too and also lose a lot of the money you get from TV deals for not playing on XMas... Maybe it should have been 65 games instead of 72 but hindsight is always 20/20
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Post#652 » by robillionaire » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:33 pm

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robillionaire wrote:Also I don't blame the schedule for it. Murray already DNP'ed the last several games and hadn't played in 8 days. people tear ACLs every day B


Yeah of course in today's world there needs to be a scapegoat and something to complain about on social media for everything :roll:

Is the schedule ideal? No... but Murray also knowingly played with a sore knee. He didn't have to and i'm sure the medical staff relayed that to him. It sucks and I feel for him for sure. Nobody wants to see major career altering injuries but that's literally a part of the job description and risks associated. He'll be fine in the long run with how we treat ACL's nowadays.

The players also signed up for it and complained when they didn't have their summer off for the bubble last year so you kinda can't have it both ways. Either rush to get the season in before the summer starts or wait and lose your summer and delay the following season too and also lose a lot of the money you get from TV deals for not playing on XMas... Maybe it should have been 65 games instead of 72 but hindsight is always 20/20


For the record the sore knee was the right knee and the torn ACL was the left one. and he played a 48 game season. I mean klay thompson tore an Achilles in the preseason after having the entire season off last year, we can't chalk that up to "too many games" fact is the human body can be a fickle thing
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Post#654 » by El Poochio » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:44 pm

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Post#655 » by El Poochio » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:48 pm

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Post#657 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:37 pm

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Paying 40% of your cap space for a guy whose 3 FG% has gone into a steady five year decline would be ridiculous. We need backcourt guys and maybe another wing who are lights out from three point land and that is not Beal. He is way overpaid. We already get more efficient scoring from Randle at a vastly better price.


I'm not saying I want Beal, just that I see him as the obvious target this summer, especially with how we're linked to SGs so much. Also, look at how we use Burks and how much rely on him, they don't just want catch and shoot guys, I think it's pretty obvious we're gonna try to get 3-4 creators on the floor in the future. Thibs isn't going to go into next season without taking another step up, they'll want to kick it up another level. Come on man, Randle is not a more efficient scorer, Beal has a higher TS, scores more per minute & per shot attempt, he's even more efficient in isolation (.86ppp vs .96ppp).


Go look at the progression in his 3FG%. He has declined every year for five years. He feasts from 2FG% which bolsters his weaker three point shooting. He qualifies as a penetrating scorer, but in today's game to be considered a superstar while shooting 34% from outside just doesn't cut it.



He's taking more threes off the dribble now than before, even with that in mind he's at 38% catch and shoot this year, which is the same as RJ and 1% worse than Burks, he's shot as high as 43% on catch and shoot threes before which is better than Bullock. We're never going to get the perfect player here, Beal isn't my first choice because of how much it would take to get him, but there's no doubt in my mind he's gonna be on our radar. If Burks is having the impact he's having, it's easy to see how Beal would fit in, on and off the ball.
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Post#658 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:30 pm

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I'm not saying I want Beal, just that I see him as the obvious target this summer, especially with how we're linked to SGs so much. Also, look at how we use Burks and how much rely on him, they don't just want catch and shoot guys, I think it's pretty obvious we're gonna try to get 3-4 creators on the floor in the future. Thibs isn't going to go into next season without taking another step up, they'll want to kick it up another level. Come on man, Randle is not a more efficient scorer, Beal has a higher TS, scores more per minute & per shot attempt, he's even more efficient in isolation (.86ppp vs .96ppp).


Go look at the progression in his 3FG%. He has declined every year for five years. He feasts from 2FG% which bolsters his weaker three point shooting. He qualifies as a penetrating scorer, but in today's game to be considered a superstar while shooting 34% from outside just doesn't cut it.



He's taking more threes off the dribble now than before, even with that in mind he's at 38% catch and shoot this year, which is the same as RJ and 1% worse than Burks, he's shot as high as 43% on catch and shoot threes before which is better than Bullock. We're never going to get the perfect player here, Beal isn't my first choice because of how much it would take to get him, but there's no doubt in my mind he's gonna be on our radar. If Burks is having the impact he's having, it's easy to see how Beal would fit in, on and off the ball.


You're making my point for me then. Some of the distinctions to be made about efficiency lead to marginal distinctions between Beal and players who won't torpedo our cap space.

Putting aside salary and trade asset costs for a second, Beal at SG, RJ at SF and Randle at PF leaves the PG position to be filled. If it were possible to secure a quality PG or land one in the draft, then that would be a dynamic starting 4.

I'm guessing the C position being filled now by Noel/Taj, and presumably Mitch when he gets back, is probably where the FO will keep their costs down in order to afford a big FA/Trade for a # 1 or # 2 scorer (personally, I think the # 1 option logic often cited is mostly BS. The offensive role of Randle and Beal and RJ would vary in importance any given night based on who has the hot hand and that's plenty good).

So I'm not saying Beal is wrong, but he costs too much IMO if you're going to extend Randle and give RJ the bag later.

I'm like most here in that I'm fed up with our PG vacuum. What I do not want to happen is over-leveraging to acquire scoring guards/wings and still leaving the PG position to mediocre journeymen.

My first priority is the PG position which will optimize RJ and Randle significantly. Put another scorer in there without a floor general and you may create more of a mess, not generate a massive roster upgrade. Randle and RJ are developing chemistry and it will be best if we can support them with a quality PG which in turn will make it easier to incorporate any additional scorers we sign or trade for.

And IQ may be able to grow into being our Beal anyway. I wouldn't discount his potential as one of our 3 primary scoring options in the future. Either that or he becomes our sixth man. Win-Win.

If this is such a good draft we should be able to land some solid players to deepen our roster immediately so I think we're in a fine position to be a top 4 team in the East next year if the FO plays their cards right.
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Post#659 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:45 pm

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Go look at the progression in his 3FG%. He has declined every year for five years. He feasts from 2FG% which bolsters his weaker three point shooting. He qualifies as a penetrating scorer, but in today's game to be considered a superstar while shooting 34% from outside just doesn't cut it.



He's taking more threes off the dribble now than before, even with that in mind he's at 38% catch and shoot this year, which is the same as RJ and 1% worse than Burks, he's shot as high as 43% on catch and shoot threes before which is better than Bullock. We're never going to get the perfect player here, Beal isn't my first choice because of how much it would take to get him, but there's no doubt in my mind he's gonna be on our radar. If Burks is having the impact he's having, it's easy to see how Beal would fit in, on and off the ball.


You're making my point for me then. Some of the distinctions to be made about efficiency lead to marginal distinctions between Beal and players who won't torpedo our cap space.

Putting aside salary and trade asset costs for a second, Beal at SG, RJ at SF and Randle at PF leaves the PG position to be filled. If it were possible to secure a quality PG or land one in the draft, then that would be a dynamic starting 4.

I'm guessing the C position being filled now by Noel/Taj, and presumably Mitch when he gets back, is probably where the FO will keep their costs down in order to afford a big FA/Trade for a # 1 or # 2 scorer (personally, I think the # 1 option logic often cited is mostly BS. The offensive role of Randle and Beal and RJ would vary in importance any given night based on who has the hot hand and that's plenty good).

So I'm not saying Beal is wrong, but he costs too much IMO if you're going to extend Randle and give RJ the bag later.

I'm like most here in that I'm fed up with our PG vacuum. What I do not want to happen is over-leveraging to acquire scoring guards/wings and still leaving the PG position to mediocre journeymen.

My first priority is the PG position which will optimize RJ and Randle significantly. Put another scorer in there without a floor general and you may create more of a mess, not generate a massive roster upgrade. Randle and RJ are developing chemistry and it will be best if we can support them with a quality PG which in turn will make it easier to incorporate any additional scorers we sign or trade for.

And IQ may be able to grow into being our Beal anyway. I wouldn't discount his potential as one of our 3 primary scoring options in the future. Either that or he becomes our sixth man. Win-Win.

If this is such a good draft we should be able to land some solid players to deepen our roster immediately so I think we're in a fine position to be a top 4 team in the East next year if the FO plays their cards right.




Beal isn't getting a lot of catch and shoot opportunities, he gets 3.3 three attempts per game, Bullock gets 5.0 and Burks gets 3.0, historically he's a better catch and shoot player than both of them. I think you're underestimating Beal as a scorer and as a shooter based on his current role as a creator, he gets 70 touches per game, Payton gets 57, Rose 53 and Burks gets 38. There's more than enough touches in our offense with isolations or catch and shoot chances for someone like Beal to be even more efficient than he is now with the Wiz. He's in a completely different class of scoring than Randle, he's closer to Kyrie in that regard.

Your priority and the front office / Thibs priorities may not be the same thing, Thibs may not be our GM but how this is setting up looks similar to the trade for Butler, I just can't see Thibs playing two rookies next year and I'd expect the FO to know that. I also look at what we're doing on offense and how involved Burks is for a journeyman, it's obvious to me at least that Beal is going to be very high on our list this summer. If you extend Randle, you're already locking yourself into a team, there just aren't any free agents on the horizon for a few years that are in the Giannis/KD/LeBron etc tier of players, all the major guys are locked up and you can't keep punting on salary. The free agent PGs this summer are few and far between, if we strike out on Lonzo it's just Lowry and Schroder that are left, and Lowry would mean we still have to look for our PG of the future.

I wouldn't just pencil us in for top 4 in the East next year, it's going to take more than just a PG and some rookie who will play 14-18mpg to get us there.
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He's taking more threes off the dribble now than before, even with that in mind he's at 38% catch and shoot this year, which is the same as RJ and 1% worse than Burks, he's shot as high as 43% on catch and shoot threes before which is better than Bullock. We're never going to get the perfect player here, Beal isn't my first choice because of how much it would take to get him, but there's no doubt in my mind he's gonna be on our radar. If Burks is having the impact he's having, it's easy to see how Beal would fit in, on and off the ball.


You're making my point for me then. Some of the distinctions to be made about efficiency lead to marginal distinctions between Beal and players who won't torpedo our cap space.

Putting aside salary and trade asset costs for a second, Beal at SG, RJ at SF and Randle at PF leaves the PG position to be filled. If it were possible to secure a quality PG or land one in the draft, then that would be a dynamic starting 4.

I'm guessing the C position being filled now by Noel/Taj, and presumably Mitch when he gets back, is probably where the FO will keep their costs down in order to afford a big FA/Trade for a # 1 or # 2 scorer (personally, I think the # 1 option logic often cited is mostly BS. The offensive role of Randle and Beal and RJ would vary in importance any given night based on who has the hot hand and that's plenty good).

So I'm not saying Beal is wrong, but he costs too much IMO if you're going to extend Randle and give RJ the bag later.

I'm like most here in that I'm fed up with our PG vacuum. What I do not want to happen is over-leveraging to acquire scoring guards/wings and still leaving the PG position to mediocre journeymen.

My first priority is the PG position which will optimize RJ and Randle significantly. Put another scorer in there without a floor general and you may create more of a mess, not generate a massive roster upgrade. Randle and RJ are developing chemistry and it will be best if we can support them with a quality PG which in turn will make it easier to incorporate any additional scorers we sign or trade for.

And IQ may be able to grow into being our Beal anyway. I wouldn't discount his potential as one of our 3 primary scoring options in the future. Either that or he becomes our sixth man. Win-Win.

If this is such a good draft we should be able to land some solid players to deepen our roster immediately so I think we're in a fine position to be a top 4 team in the East next year if the FO plays their cards right.




Beal isn't getting a lot of catch and shoot opportunities, he gets 3.3 three attempts per game, Bullock gets 5.0 and Burks gets 3.0, historically he's a better catch and shoot player than both of them. I think you're underestimating Beal as a scorer and as a shooter based on his current role as a creator, he gets 70 touches per game, Payton gets 57, Rose 53 and Burks gets 38. There's more than enough touches in our offense with isolations or catch and shoot chances for someone like Beal to be even more efficient than he is now with the Wiz. He's in a completely different class of scoring than Randle, he's closer to Kyrie in that regard.

Your priority and the front office / Thibs priorities may not be the same thing, Thibs may not be our GM but how this is setting up looks similar to the trade for Butler, I just can't see Thibs playing two rookies next year and I'd expect the FO to know that. I also look at what we're doing on offense and how involved Burks is for a journeyman, it's obvious to me at least that Beal is going to be very high on our list this summer. If you extend Randle, you're already locking yourself into a team, there just aren't any free agents on the horizon for a few years that are in the Giannis/KD/LeBron etc tier of players, all the major guys are locked up and you can't keep punting on salary. The free agent PGs this summer are few and far between, if we strike out on Lonzo it's just Lowry and Schroder that are left, and Lowry would mean we still have to look for our PG of the future.

I wouldn't just pencil us in for top 4 in the East next year, it's going to take more than just a PG and some rookie who will play 14-18mpg to get us there.


You may be right about the FO going after Beal. If you are correct, we'd be rolling the dice on Beal/RJ/Randle being our big 3 and then filling in the rest of the roster.

I won't be following the college/draft threads so I'll be in the dark about our options, but I'd hope with our two mid and late first round picks there is a guy with legit PG of the future potential we can draft.

If we did get one of the three PG free agents + Beal, we'd def make some noise next season. I'm hoping Obi emerges then to be a scoring wing off the bench and IQ keeps evolving.

I'm not really that committed to any one approach at this point since we're not bad enough to tank. My primary worry is paying anyone 35-40M a year. I've never really adjusted to those price tags so it may be a mental block, but it still feels like those numbers should be reserved for a Top 10 player and I don't peg any of our guys or Beal to be in the uppermost echelon.

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