Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[gambitx777]

I would trade rui for any one right now he's trending to be better than grant. At the moment imo. I just don't wanna trade rui or deni atm.i could live with deni but if we trade ruo we are gonna regret it.

Could we package the pick and either Rui or Avdija for an up and comer like DeAndre Hunter or Michael Porter Jr? Are there any similar type targets?

One guy that comes to mind is Jerami Grant. Detroit would presumably be willing to trade the better current player for better future prospects. Not sure I would do it, but it meets the construct you propose.

I wonder if San Antonio would trade any of their wings for Hachimura or Avdija. They're loaded with PGs, SGs, and SFs, but don't really have a decent young PF on the roster. Would something like Avdija for Vassell make sense for both teams?

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With Westbrook seemingly changing his style of play and taking less shots, maybe standing pat is the best option. See how this team looks with the new and improved Westbrook, a returning Thomas Bryant, a steadily improving Hachimura and Avdija, and the #9 pick in the draft.

...which is what some of us have been suggesting.

But you left out maybe the most important thing...let's see how that team looks with a new coach.

Sure.

I've never seen the point of trading Beal -- unless someone makes an offer that is so good you can't say no. & certainly this is not the time to trade Russ.

We have 5 expiring players, Lopez, Neto, Len, Ish & Robinson. Seems like at least 2 of them (Robinson, Smith) are sure to be gone. Neto & Len are good value for what they make (plus a little next year...).

We also have team options on Gill & Bonga. I hope we keep Bonga & a new coach gives him some rope. Gill is an end of the bench type, but he hasn't been terrible.

In connection with a new coach, the big questions we'd like that guy to turn into emphatic yes answers are Rui & Deni's development (both of whom will have to be a whole lot better than they've been so far to give a person real reason to be optimistic) -- plus our R1 pick next year -- which I hope will be higher than #9 !! & we also need Mathews to get his wheels back on the road. Plus, like Zards, I'm a Cassius Winston fan.

In short, we have something to work with. It would be sad if we didn't, given that we have turned over essentially the whole team in the last 2 years!

[Ruzious]

Could we package the pick and either Rui or Avdija for an up and comer like DeAndre Hunter or Michael Porter Jr? Are there any similar type targets?

One guy that comes to mind is Jerami Grant. Detroit would presumably be willing to trade the better current player for better future prospects. Not sure I would do it, but it meets the construct you propose.

I wonder if San Antonio would trade any of their wings for Hachimura or Avdija. They're loaded with PGs, SGs, and SFs, but don't really have a decent young PF on the roster. Would something like Avdija for Vassell make sense for both teams?

I think Grant used to be underrated, and now he's overrated. His scoring efficiency has gone way down, and he doesn't rebound. Good player - just not good enough, imo.

Vassell's good at what he does, but he doesn't do a lot - strictly a 3 and D player. I'd pass.

[Ruzious]

With Westbrook seemingly changing his style of play and taking less shots, maybe standing pat is the best option. See how this team looks with the new and improved Westbrook, a returning Thomas Bryant, a steadily improving Hachimura and Avdija, and the #9 pick in the draft.

...which is what some of us have been suggesting.

But you left out maybe the most important thing...let's see how that team looks with a new coach.

Sure.

I've never seen the point of trading Beal -- unless someone makes an offer that is so good you can't say no. & certainly this is not the time to trade Russ.

We have 5 expiring players, Lopez, Neto, Len, Ish & Robinson. Seems like at least 2 of them (Robinson, Smith) are sure to be gone. Neto & Len are good value for what they make (plus a little next year...).

We also have team options on Gill & Bonga. I hope we keep Bonga & a new coach gives him some rope. Gill is an end of the bench type, but he hasn't been terrible.

In connection with a new coach, the big questions we'd like that guy to turn into emphatic yes answers are Rui & Deni's development (both of whom will have to be a whole lot better than they've been so far to give a person real reason to be optimistic) -- plus our R1 pick next year -- which I hope will be higher than #9 !! & we also need Mathews to get his wheels back on the road. Plus, like Zards, I'm a Cassius Winston fan.

In short, we have something to work with. It would be sad if we didn't, given that we have turned over essentially the whole team in the last 2 years!

If Boston sees Beal as their answer to bounce back from a disappointing for them season, I'd be interested to hear what they'd add to Jaylen Brown to get Beal. Brown would be a big improvement on D, and he's become a significantly better 3 point shooter than Beal. If they add Nesmith and a future unprotected pick, I'd say yes. Brown is signed for 3 seasons at a significantly lower rate than Beal and is 3 years younger. He could also move to the 2 and can guard people like Harden. Is he as good a scorer as Beal? No, but he's a very good all-around player, and I prefer players like that.

[nate33]

If Boston sees Beal as their answer to bounce back from a disappointing for them season, I'd be interested to hear what they'd add to Jaylen Brown to get Beal. Brown would be a big improvement on D, and he's become a significantly better 3 point shooter than Beal. If they add Nesmith and a future unprotected pick, I'd say yes. Brown is signed for 3 seasons at a significantly lower rate than Beal and is 3 years younger. He could also move to the 2 and can guard people like Harden. Is he as good a scorer as Beal? No, but he's a very good all-around player, and I prefer players like that.

I also like that Jaylen seems to get better every year. Like Beal, he keeps going to the lab and adding something new.

[Frichuela]

If Boston sees Beal as their answer to bounce back from a disappointing for them season, I'd be interested to hear what they'd add to Jaylen Brown to get Beal. Brown would be a big improvement on D, and he's become a significantly better 3 point shooter than Beal. If they add Nesmith and a future unprotected pick, I'd say yes. Brown is signed for 3 seasons at a significantly lower rate than Beal and is 3 years younger. He could also move to the 2 and can guard people like Harden. Is he as good a scorer as Beal? No, but he's a very good all-around player, and I prefer players like that.

I also like that Jaylen seems to get better every year. Like Beal, he keeps going to the lab and adding something new.

Agreed. If Boston offered Brown, Nesmith and their 1st round pick, I would consider pulling the trigger.

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Trading Rui/Deni plus our pick for vet - I agree, it would have to be for a pretty good player stuck on a bad team (Beal, ha.) Not too many guys come to mind.

Or, is there a pretty good, cap-strapped team with a player who needs an extension? Only obvious guy is Collins from Atlanta. I'd probably do that trade. Beal and Collins together is the basis for a good team, I think.

I'm also not sure how much Boston would add to Brown in a trade for Beal. They haven't traded away too many of their picks recently.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Curious if Russ' play and the numbers he's put up have made him movable this offseason?

Also, I listened to the Locked On NBA Draft podcast mock today and he seemed to think the Warriors dealing their picks (5 & 13) with Wiseman to the Wizards for Beal in a draft day trade was possible. His mock lottery also had the Wizards getting the #7 pick...

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If Boston sees Beal as their answer to bounce back from a disappointing for them season, I'd be interested to hear what they'd add to Jaylen Brown to get Beal. Brown would be a big improvement on D, and he's become a significantly better 3 point shooter than Beal. If they add Nesmith and a future unprotected pick, I'd say yes. Brown is signed for 3 seasons at a significantly lower rate than Beal and is 3 years younger. He could also move to the 2 and can guard people like Harden. Is he as good a scorer as Beal? No, but he's a very good all-around player, and I prefer players like that.

I also like that Jaylen seems to get better every year. Like Beal, he keeps going to the lab and adding something new.

Agreed. If Boston offered Brown, Nesmith and their 1st round pick, I would consider pulling the trigger.

Jaylen Brown is a terrific player without a doubt. Are they going to give him, Nesmith (whom they just drafted #14), & a R1 pick in return for Bradley Beal?

If so, that would be a trade I'd find hard to turn down. But, I doubt they'd would do that.

[Ruzious]

I also like that Jaylen seems to get better every year. Like Beal, he keeps going to the lab and adding something new.

Agreed. If Boston offered Brown, Nesmith and their 1st round pick, I would consider pulling the trigger.

Jaylen Brown is a terrific player without a doubt. Are they going to give him, Nesmith (whom they just drafted #14), & a R1 pick in return for Bradley Beal?

If so, that would be a trade I'd find hard to turn down. But, I doubt they'd would do that.

Probably not - which is why I pointed out that this would be a trade only if Boston failed this season and thought they were a Beal away.

[gambitx777]

I can't imagine them trading brown ? Like I get it but does beal make them that much better ?

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Trading Rui/Deni plus our pick for vet - I agree, it would have to be for a pretty good player stuck on a bad team (Beal, ha.) Not too many guys come to mind.

Or, is there a pretty good, cap-strapped team with a player who needs an extension? Only obvious guy is Collins from Atlanta. I'd probably do that trade. Beal and Collins together is the basis for a good team, I think.

I'm also not sure how much Boston would add to Brown in a trade for Beal. They haven't traded away too many of their picks recently.

Rui plus Deni plus our R1 pick for Collins? No.

Above all, b/c Collins thinks he should get a max contract -- he shouldn't, & even if it were warranted there's no way we could possibly give it to him. We owe Beal/Russ/Davis $94m next year. Even if Collins signed for $20m, that would leave us at $127m for 6 guys (including Bryant & Hutchison). Not possible.

[gambitx777]

Can we ease get off the idea of trading rui he's too good imo opinion and has too much potential !

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[gambitx777]

Can someone answer a question I have.
When the season ends is there a time that expiring contracts can be swapped or used as filler in a trade before the league year ends and before the deal ends. what are the rules for such deal?


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Trading Rui/Deni plus our pick for vet - I agree, it would have to be for a pretty good player stuck on a bad team (Beal, ha.) Not too many guys come to mind.

Or, is there a pretty good, cap-strapped team with a player who needs an extension? Only obvious guy is Collins from Atlanta. I'd probably do that trade. Beal and Collins together is the basis for a good team, I think.

I'm also not sure how much Boston would add to Brown in a trade for Beal. They haven't traded away too many of their picks recently.

Rui plus Deni plus our R1 pick for Collins? No.

Above all, b/c Collins thinks he should get a max contract -- he shouldn't, & even if it were warranted there's no way we could possibly give it to him. We owe Beal/Russ/Davis $94m next year. Even if Collins signed for $20m, that would leave us at $127m for 6 guys (including Bryant & Hutchison). Not possible.

Yeah, you're right about the money. They would need to dump Westbrook and maybe Bertans, too. Maybe Westbrook could be traded for a few rotation players to fill out the team. And/or make Bertans part of the sign and trade for Collins, along with the rights to the first round pick.

Not sure what other players are out there in a similar situation.

[Ruzious]

Trading Rui/Deni plus our pick for vet - I agree, it would have to be for a pretty good player stuck on a bad team (Beal, ha.) Not too many guys come to mind.

Or, is there a pretty good, cap-strapped team with a player who needs an extension? Only obvious guy is Collins from Atlanta. I'd probably do that trade. Beal and Collins together is the basis for a good team, I think.

I'm also not sure how much Boston would add to Brown in a trade for Beal. They haven't traded away too many of their picks recently.

Rui plus Deni plus our R1 pick for Collins? No.

Above all, b/c Collins thinks he should get a max contract -- he shouldn't, & even if it were warranted there's no way we could possibly give it to him. We owe Beal/Russ/Davis $94m next year. Even if Collins signed for $20m, that would leave us at $127m for 6 guys (including Bryant & Hutchison). Not possible.

Yeah, you're right about the money. They would need to dump Westbrook and maybe Bertans, too. Maybe Westbrook could be traded for a few rotation players to fill out the team. And/or make Bertans part of the sign and trade for Collins, along with the rights to the first round pick.

Not sure what other players are out there in a similar situation.

I think a trade for Collins - which isn't likely - would include Bertans to make it CBA friendly. My guess is Collins contract starts at 25 mil, and Bertans is 16 mil, and it's probably doable starting there and adding either Rui or Deni and something else. Problem is - Collins isn't a particularly good defender, and if we're going with him and Bryant up front - it's not gonna end up well. Gafford helps, but realistically he's a 20 minutes a game player. I'd pass on Collins.

[nate33]

I think a trade for Collins - which isn't likely - would include Bertans to make it CBA friendly. My guess is Collins contract starts at 25 mil, and Bertans is 16 mil, and it's probably doable starting there and adding either Rui or Deni and something else. Problem is - Collins isn't a particularly good defender, and if we're going with him and Bryant up front - it's not gonna end up well. Gafford helps, but realistically he's a 20 minutes a game player. I'd pass on Collins.

Me too.

If we are looking to trade the future for a win now guy, I think the best option in terms of fit, availability and relative youth is Myles Turner. Something like our #9 pick plus Avdija for Turner. Bryant would be sent away, perhaps to a 3rd party to shed salary

I don't like the trade at all, but it's something I could see the team doing.

[NatP4]

Sure hope not. This team has a talent problem. They should be collecting assets and developing young players. Absolutely no moves should be made to win right now.

On the other hand, you could make an argument that Shep will just miss again with the 1st round pick so you might as well trade it anyways.

[dckingsfan]

I think a trade for Collins - which isn't likely - would include Bertans to make it CBA friendly. My guess is Collins contract starts at 25 mil, and Bertans is 16 mil, and it's probably doable starting there and adding either Rui or Deni and something else. Problem is - Collins isn't a particularly good defender, and if we're going with him and Bryant up front - it's not gonna end up well. Gafford helps, but realistically he's a 20 minutes a game player. I'd pass on Collins.

Me too.

If we are looking to trade the future for a win now guy, I think the best option in terms of fit, availability and relative youth is Myles Turner. Something like our #9 pick plus Avdija for Turner. Bryant would be sent away, perhaps to a 3rd party to shed salary

I don't like the trade at all, but it's something I could see the team doing.

I always thought a Bertans for Turner would be the better basis for a trade for both teams.

From our perspective we would have a FC of Turner, Gafford, Hachimura and Bryant. Or if you move Hachimura then Avdija could move to PF.

From Indiana's perspective you would have Sabonis, Bitadze, Bertans - which is a bit thin. But the Turner/Sabonis experiment probably needs to come to an end and a Saboni/Bertans seems like a better fit for them (IMO).

[NatP4]

Bertans is back up to 62.3% TS. Leads the team in on/off differential by a mile. Pretty much the player we expected him to be when he was re signed. I think it’s safe to say that his trade value is back in the positive.

Would be content keeping him. Good player.