2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2

[Polk377]

Suggs- looked pretty good playing on the most stacked team in NCAA history who made it very easy for him. He looks solid but I'm not particularly wowed

Overstatement of the century right there. Might not even be the best Gonzaga team in history let alone all time greats.

out of all the overstatements I made this is the one you focus on

easy to say since they lost the championship game but had they won and gone undefeated rest assured they would have been spoken about as one of the all time greatest teams

This has also been one of the weakest years when it comes to power conference teams in history. There was a lot of mediocre in the NCAA this season.

[RHODEY]

Does he make you...Giddy?

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[knickstape4ever]

I think we got hoodwinked into believing that it was going to be a strong draft, and that's not even me being sour grapes that we don't have a top 5 pick because we have 4 picks in this draft

Now I'll break down why I think that based on tankathon's draft order

Cade - not as good as I thought he'd look, won't score as easily with bully ball against NBA defenses, has to have the ball in his hands, poor spot-up shooter, not very athletic or explosive, would still rather have LaMelo. But he's a lock for #1 and has a lot of potential.

Mobley- who drafts a center top 5? isn't anthony davis. looks more like a souped up mo bamba, good passer, might be ok but not worth losing sleep over. needs a sandwich

Suggs- looked pretty good playing on the most stacked team in NCAA history who made it very easy for him. He looks solid but I'm not particularly wowed

Green-ok in the G-League. Only reason he kept this spot is because he was here when the season started and nobody else rose enough to take the spot and he didn't rise enough to take anybody else's spot.

Kuminga-See above, plus shot 38% FG in the G League and 24% from 3. jesus christ this is what a top 5 player looks like in a stacked draft?

Jalen Johnson-Had maybe two good games all season against Coppin State and then got injured and quit on Duke, can't really shoot, turnover machine

Barnes- Can't score or rebound. SF version of Frank if Frank could pass

Kispert- Is old and from 3 shot 3-10 against BYU 2-8 against UCLA and 2-7 against Baylor in the 3 most important games of the season. That's 28% when they needed him the most. insert reggie miller pic with hands on neck

Sengun-This guy is a top 10 pick now? Damn this is a weak draft. Mystery center from Turkey. In fairness his stats look great but he probably just rose this high because the draft is so weak. I'd probably take him because everyone else looks bad

Wagner-What's so special about this guy? Top 10? Like I'm genuinely confused about this one, no category stands out. How's Mortiz doing?

Keon-bad offensive player, can't shoot, 27% from 3, more turnovers than assists, offensive BPM was 1. lol

Moody- fizzled out in the tournament, shot 6-30 in the last 2 tournament games, doesn't pass, homeless danny green. at least he's young

Bouknight-1.8 ast to 2.8 turnovers a game. shot 29% from 3, trending downwards

Isaiah Jackson- no real offensive game, foul prone, can't shoot, 1 dimensional shot blocker, poor man's nerlens noel, I would still be ok drafting him because reasons

Ziaire Williams- just look at this man's stats, where do you start? it's like looking at a car accident, what went wrong? how is he even in the first round?

Garuba- 6'8 power forward who averages 8ppg in spain or something and shoots 55% from the free throw line

Davion Mitchell- as old as Methuselah, ESPN wants him to go top 10. If we were getting him here at 17th I'd probably be cool with it, but again, he's old

Springer- Anybody else just forget that this guy existed and was supposed to be a lottery pick? I'd be ok taking him here at 18 but nothing looks special here

Kai Jones-Just what we need another power forward with no offensive game averaged 8ppg and a poor rebounder. What am I supposed to be impressed by

Duarte-oh my god... I thought Davion was old... this guy will be 24 when the season starts, reminds me of this kid I know who failed 8th grade 3 times to the point he drove a car to grade school, but he dominated us all in gym

Giddey-this is a good basketball player, finally, something that's interesting to me, at pick 21

Sharpe-just looks like your average run of the mill boring center

Jared Butler-looks ok I guess, is old. would be ok taking him 23rd I guess

Greg Brown-instead of typing it all out, just go here and look at all his weaknesses. So much red it would make your eyes bleed and somehow managed to have a negative OBPM. http://www.tankathon.com/players/greg-brown

Petrusev-Who? At pick 25 We're getting into the 21 year old serbian centers now. That's how bad this is. 6 centers in the top 25 and none of them even look good besides maybe Mobley

Cooper- 6'1 and shoots 22% from 3. Need I say more?

I'm actually just going to stop at 26 because it's not getting any better from here folks.

I do agree that this draft is not what it was hyped up to be depth-wise, but I'm still very high on the top 5 (less so Kuminga, but I still see a high level prospect)

I think you're being too tough on Cade and Green. IMO he'll thrive w/ NBA spacing and decent shooting around him which he didn't have at OK State. was really impressed w/ his shooting off the dribble

I watched a bunch of the Ignite games and Green looked great and the #'s back it up. 46.1% FG%, 36.5% from 3....and that's against a higher caliber opponent than in college. I think Green is gonna be a star

outside of the top 5, the only prospect that gets me really excited is Bouknight. there are other players I like but they're not w/o flaws for sure (for example Keon Johnson has lots of potential but shooting is a big question)

[robillionaire]

I think we got hoodwinked into believing that it was going to be a strong draft, and that's not even me being sour grapes that we don't have a top 5 pick because we have 4 picks in this draft

Now I'll break down why I think that based on tankathon's draft order

Cade - not as good as I thought he'd look, won't score as easily with bully ball against NBA defenses, has to have the ball in his hands, poor spot-up shooter, not very athletic or explosive, would still rather have LaMelo. But he's a lock for #1 and has a lot of potential.

Mobley- who drafts a center top 5? isn't anthony davis. looks more like a souped up mo bamba, good passer, might be ok but not worth losing sleep over. needs a sandwich

Suggs- looked pretty good playing on the most stacked team in NCAA history who made it very easy for him. He looks solid but I'm not particularly wowed

Green-ok in the G-League. Only reason he kept this spot is because he was here when the season started and nobody else rose enough to take the spot and he didn't rise enough to take anybody else's spot.

Kuminga-See above, plus shot 38% FG in the G League and 24% from 3. jesus christ this is what a top 5 player looks like in a stacked draft?

Jalen Johnson-Had maybe two good games all season against Coppin State and then got injured and quit on Duke, can't really shoot, turnover machine

Barnes- Can't score or rebound. SF version of Frank if Frank could pass

Kispert- Is old and from 3 shot 3-10 against BYU 2-8 against UCLA and 2-7 against Baylor in the 3 most important games of the season. That's 28% when they needed him the most. insert reggie miller pic with hands on neck

Sengun-This guy is a top 10 pick now? Damn this is a weak draft. Mystery center from Turkey. In fairness his stats look great but he probably just rose this high because the draft is so weak. I'd probably take him because everyone else looks bad

Wagner-What's so special about this guy? Top 10? Like I'm genuinely confused about this one, no category stands out. How's Mortiz doing?

Keon-bad offensive player, can't shoot, 27% from 3, more turnovers than assists, offensive BPM was 1. lol

Moody- fizzled out in the tournament, shot 6-30 in the last 2 tournament games, doesn't pass, homeless danny green. at least he's young

Bouknight-1.8 ast to 2.8 turnovers a game. shot 29% from 3, trending downwards

Isaiah Jackson- no real offensive game, foul prone, can't shoot, 1 dimensional shot blocker, poor man's nerlens noel, I would still be ok drafting him because reasons

Ziaire Williams- just look at this man's stats, where do you start? it's like looking at a car accident, what went wrong? how is he even in the first round?

Garuba- 6'8 power forward who averages 8ppg in spain or something and shoots 55% from the free throw line

Davion Mitchell- as old as Methuselah, ESPN wants him to go top 10. If we were getting him here at 17th I'd probably be cool with it, but again, he's old

Springer- Anybody else just forget that this guy existed and was supposed to be a lottery pick? I'd be ok taking him here at 18 but nothing looks special here

Kai Jones-Just what we need another power forward with no offensive game averaged 8ppg and a poor rebounder. What am I supposed to be impressed by

Duarte-oh my god... I thought Davion was old... this guy will be 24 when the season starts, reminds me of this kid I know who failed 8th grade 3 times to the point he drove a car to grade school, but he dominated us all in gym

Giddey-this is a good basketball player, finally, something that's interesting to me, at pick 21

Sharpe-just looks like your average run of the mill boring center

Jared Butler-looks ok I guess, is old. would be ok taking him 23rd I guess

Greg Brown-instead of typing it all out, just go here and look at all his weaknesses. So much red it would make your eyes bleed and somehow managed to have a negative OBPM. http://www.tankathon.com/players/greg-brown

Petrusev-Who? At pick 25 We're getting into the 21 year old serbian centers now. That's how bad this is. 6 centers in the top 25 and none of them even look good besides maybe Mobley

Cooper- 6'1 and shoots 22% from 3. Need I say more?

I'm actually just going to stop at 26 because it's not getting any better from here folks.

I do agree that this draft is not what it was hyped up to be depth-wise, but I'm still very high on the top 5 (less so Kuminga, but I still see a high level prospect)

I think you're being too tough on Cade and Green. IMO he'll thrive w/ NBA spacing and decent shooting around him which he didn't have at OK State. was really impressed w/ his shooting off the dribble

I watched a bunch of the Ignite games and Green looked great and the #'s back it up. 46.1% FG%, 36.5% from 3....and that's against a higher caliber opponent than in college. I think Green is gonna be a star

outside of the top 5, the only prospect that gets me really excited is Bouknight. there are other players I like but they're not w/o flaws for sure (for example Keon Johnson has lots of potential but shooting is a big question)

Green did look decent.... but it's the G-League. Even Brazdeikis looks awesome there. Just not sure how much confidence to put into that

[8516knicks]

Forgetting individual players who may (or may not) be there when we pick, what POSITION is the most probable we can fill with either of our 3 picks (because we usually strike out on our first pick but hit on our 2nd like Mitch and IQ) - PG, SG, SF, PF, C ? Where is the strength of this draft once you get outside the top 10 (since we'll probably be 13-24 for both our first two picks)???

[louisorr]

Forgetting individual players who may (or may not) be there when we pick, what POSITION is the most probable we can fill with either of our 3 picks (because we usually strike out on our first pick but hit on our 2nd like Mitch and IQ) - PG, SG, SF, PF, C ? Where is the strength of this draft once you get outside the top 10 (since we'll probably be 13-24 for both our first two picks)???

we added a late second at the trade deadline so we should be able to add four PFs

[WargamesX]

Do we know whose signed to CAA yet?

[moocow007]

I honestly don't believe that this draft is as great as folks had been hyping it to be. There is no Lebron, Zion or even AD in this draft. Cade Cunningham to me has a ceiling that is more Ben Simmons level rather than a franchise altering level. I don't see superstar among the bunch. Every one of these guys that were hyped to heck has underwhelmed to varying degrees. And honestly, while this draft is still pretty strong and is better than many (it isn't 2000 thin) it's also not as deep as some may be feeling it is. Makes it a whole lot more exciting to discuss, debate and predict tough.

[SmoothLefty21]

I guess I'm in the minority but I still love the depth of this draft. Sure, there will be some busts, but talking about guys like Moody or Bouknight or Kispert or Ziaire being late lottery picks--that's pretty damn good to me.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Does he make you...Giddy?

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Yes. I would be happy if we came away with him.

[cgf]

I guess I'm in the minority but I still love the depth of this draft. Sure, there will be some busts, but talking about guys like Moody or Bouknight or Kispert or Ziaire being late lottery picks--that's pretty damn good to me.

Right? This draft has loads of talent.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Time will tell, but the top of this draft looks much better then last years draft, but I think last years draft will have more depth.

A good chance imo some players in this draft that end up being top 10 players in the league type talent. Cade, Suggs and Mobley look like studs to me. Havent seen enough of the G-league guys yet. There's always a few busts too.

[robillionaire]

Cade and Suggs will probably be very good players, as moocow said above I don't put them in that "zion and AD" must have superstar category but they will probably be good. Jalen Green imo has superstar potential but still many unknowns. And then there will be some surprises later in the draft.

Honestly I think we got lucky with the way the weird covid no training camp college season shook out. The odds that there will be some steals later in the draft is much higher than in previous years and with us picking in that 15, 21, 33 range we could end up hitting big. if we actually take and keep all those picks.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Cade and Suggs will probably be very good players, as moocow said above I don't put them in that "zion and AD" must have superstar category but they will probably be good. Jalen Green imo has superstar potential but still many unknowns. And then there will be some surprises later in the draft.

Honestly I think we got lucky with the way the weird covid no training camp college season shook out. The odds that there will be some steals later in the draft is much higher than in previous years and with us picking in that 15, 21, 33 range we could end up hitting big. if we actually take and keep all those picks.

Its just tough to compare perimeter prospects to AD and Zion cause physically those guys were just built much different. True, nobody is in that class, but not sure that means a lot anyway especially for the guards/perimeter players.

[cgf]

Cade may not quite be LeBron, Luka or Zion...but he's still a strong #1 at the head of an insane top 5, with some serious talent later in the top 10 as well. The midtier has its question marks, but that's what happens when you get outside of the top 5 of a draft...but those question marks aren't as troubling to me as those of kids in that range from most classes (especially when considering all of the covid craziness) and the potential reward is higher than it usually is with mid 1sts.

Some folks may have oversold it at some point, but this is still a really exciting class.

[louisorr]

Does he make you...Giddy?

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Yes. I would be happy if we came away with him.

Other than the Bargnani impersonation, I don't see how a team in the top 10 doesn't take a swing on this guy. It'd be a miracle if he was available to Knicks. if Cade is a no brainer no.1 how different is this guy?

[2010]

I honestly don't believe that this draft is as great as folks had been hyping it to be. There is no Lebron, Zion or even AD in this draft. Cade Cunningham to me has a ceiling that is more Ben Simmons level rather than a franchise altering level. I don't see superstar among the bunch. Every one of these guys that were hyped to heck has underwhelmed to varying degrees. And honestly, while this draft is still pretty strong and is better than many (it isn't 2000 thin) it's also not as deep as some may be feeling it is. Makes it a whole lot more exciting to discuss, debate and predict tough.

I think Cade will be a Grant Hill type

I think Jalen Green will be the most prolific scorer in the draft and up there with the super wings like MJ, Kobe, T-Mac, Vince, etc.

I think Suggs is the ultimate dog at PG. Chris Paul intangibles, Westbrook intensity, with a Deron Williams frame.

Mobley will be a franchise big. He has some KG qualities without the personality.

Kuminga I'm not as high on as the top 4. But I do think the top 4 are franchise altering.

[2010]

I guess I'm in the minority but I still love the depth of this draft. Sure, there will be some busts, but talking about guys like Moody or Bouknight or Kispert or Ziaire being late lottery picks--that's pretty damn good to me.

Yeah, I think there will be gems at every stage of this draft. Just gotta mine them.

[8516knicks]

Does he make you...Giddy?

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Yes. I would be happy if we came away with him.

Other than the Bargnani impersonation, I don't see how a team in the top 10 doesn't take a swing on this guy. It'd be a miracle if he was available to Knicks. if Cade is a no brainer no.1 how different is this guy?

well, judging from the first dunk on the tape, he might become the first NBA player to kill himself while dunking, for one.

[thebuzzardman]

Cade and Suggs will probably be very good players, as moocow said above I don't put them in that "zion and AD" must have superstar category but they will probably be good. Jalen Green imo has superstar potential but still many unknowns. And then there will be some surprises later in the draft.

Honestly I think we got lucky with the way the weird covid no training camp college season shook out. The odds that there will be some steals later in the draft is much higher than in previous years and with us picking in that 15, 21, 33 range we could end up hitting big. if we actually take and keep all those picks.

You mean how it worked out with Obi?