Fire Brad Stevens.

[Ernest]

1) There was other option to dodge that tax. Like not breaking up the TPE for FOurnier, not taking back Wagner and Kornet (combined 4,411,920 salary) thus not needing to send out Theis (5 million) Not taking back Wagner and Kornet and instead sending out Edwards would have saved the same amount as sending off Thies.
Therefore there was additional reasoning behind it. It HAD to be to open up playing time at the center position.

Just because you don't understand the reasoning behind a move doesn't mean it HAD to be a reason you made up. The Fournier move was fantastic (if he re-signs), and the Theis move happened last second which was likely, IMO (you know, opinion, not fact which is what we are all working with here) because DA had a lot of irons in the fire. Who says anyone was willing to take Edwards at that moment while maybe the Theis thing was on the back burner to help make other deals? I don't know but neither do you, and none of it means it HAD to be some weird conspiracy by DA to force Brad's hand to start RW when RW's minutes were already trending up as he got stronger and gained more experience. That's just nonsense.

There is no point in trying to reason with this guy. The logic is going over his head. He has made up his mind on what he wants to be mad about. Ironically if Nesmith was playing and Romeo was on the bench he'd probably be making up reasons why everyone's wrong about that.

[Ernest]

Hey!

The team is looking good for the first time all year really. We played less than .500 ball most of the season. And we have a lot of talent. So yeah there were reasons to get mad.

But the team looks to have turned a corner. We are getting some wins. And we don't look scared or lazy out there now. The next stretch of the season should be fun. We can climb the standings and get ready for the playoffs.

So I'm just wondering, does anyone want to get of fthe doom and gloom bandwagon and get back to loving our team? It would be nice to have this place be more optimistic and I think the team is finally giving us something to get behind.

[Ernest]

I'm guessing there won't be many takers on this. So the follow up question is what would it take?

How many wins to say you were wrong and Brad shouldn't be fired?

What does Smart have to do to make you like him?

How well does Fournier have to fit in and the team to gel to admit Ainge knew how to right this ship?

What will it take for this place to enjoy the wins and stop bitching about every loss?

[JediMasterRevan]

1) There was other option to dodge that tax. Like not breaking up the TPE for FOurnier, not taking back Wagner and Kornet (combined 4,411,920 salary) thus not needing to send out Theis (5 million) Not taking back Wagner and Kornet and instead sending out Edwards would have saved the same amount as sending off Thies.
Therefore there was additional reasoning behind it. It HAD to be to open up playing time at the center position.

Just because you don't understand the reasoning behind a move doesn't mean it HAD to be a reason you made up. The Fournier move was fantastic (if he re-signs), and the Theis move happened last second which was likely, IMO (you know, opinion, not fact which is what we are all working with here) because DA had a lot of irons in the fire. Who says anyone was willing to take Edwards at that moment while maybe the Theis thing was on the back burner to help make other deals? I don't know but neither do you, and none of it means it HAD to be some weird conspiracy by DA to force Brad's hand to start RW when RW's minutes were already trending up as he got stronger and gained more experience. That's just nonsense.

There is no point in trying to reason with this guy. The logic is going over his head. He has made up his mind on what he wants to be mad about. Ironically if Nesmith was playing and Romeo was on the bench he'd probably be making up reasons why everyone's wrong about that.

I went out of my way to proclaim it isnt a nesmith vs. romeo thing.

But Brad found minutes for Romeo immediately after being cleared to play, which is interesting when he claims it is hard to find playing time for young guys.

He continues to find minutes for Semi even though he brings very little and has no future as opposed to getting nesmith a few minutes who is, like it or lump it, a key part of the future of the team.


I think Brad has some major flaws, but this is one that can be addressed now, and should be addressed now. You can disagree with me all you want in regards to Brads ability as a championship level head coach in the nba, and I can disagree with you.

But I dont think there is any need for telling someone else not to "reason" with me, and that the logic is just "going over my head" beacuse it have made up my mind on what i want to be "mad about"

None of those points have anything to do with any debate being had here and is just a dismissive attack as opposed to a fun discussion.

[Ernest]

Just because you don't understand the reasoning behind a move doesn't mean it HAD to be a reason you made up. The Fournier move was fantastic (if he re-signs), and the Theis move happened last second which was likely, IMO (you know, opinion, not fact which is what we are all working with here) because DA had a lot of irons in the fire. Who says anyone was willing to take Edwards at that moment while maybe the Theis thing was on the back burner to help make other deals? I don't know but neither do you, and none of it means it HAD to be some weird conspiracy by DA to force Brad's hand to start RW when RW's minutes were already trending up as he got stronger and gained more experience. That's just nonsense.

There is no point in trying to reason with this guy. The logic is going over his head. He has made up his mind on what he wants to be mad about. Ironically if Nesmith was playing and Romeo was on the bench he'd probably be making up reasons why everyone's wrong about that.

I went out of my way to proclaim it isnt a nesmith vs. romeo thing.

But Brad found minutes for Romeo immediately after being cleared to play, which is interesting when he claims it is hard to find playing time for young guys.

He continues to find minutes for Semi even though he brings very little and has no future as opposed to getting nesmith a few minutes who is, like it or lump it, a key part of the future of the team.


I think Brad has some major flaws, but this is one that can be addressed now, and should be addressed now. You can disagree with me all you want in regards to Brads ability as a championship level head coach in the nba, and I can disagree with you.

But I dont think there is any need for telling someone else not to "reason" with me, and that the logic is just "going over my head" beacuse it have made up my mind on what i want to be "mad about"

None of those points have anything to do with any debate being had here and is just a dismissive attack as opposed to a fun discussion.

You can proclaim anything you want buddy. Proclaim it all day long Mr. Jedi Master. You sound like an angry teenager.

[Parliament10]

There is no point in trying to reason with this guy. The logic is going over his head. He has made up his mind on what he wants to be mad about. Ironically if Nesmith was playing and Romeo was on the bench he'd probably be making up reasons why everyone's wrong about that.

I went out of my way to proclaim it isnt a nesmith vs. romeo thing.

But Brad found minutes for Romeo immediately after being cleared to play, which is interesting when he claims it is hard to find playing time for young guys.

He continues to find minutes for Semi even though he brings very little and has no future as opposed to getting nesmith a few minutes who is, like it or lump it, a key part of the future of the team.


I think Brad has some major flaws, but this is one that can be addressed now, and should be addressed now. You can disagree with me all you want in regards to Brads ability as a championship level head coach in the nba, and I can disagree with you.

But I dont think there is any need for telling someone else not to "reason" with me, and that the logic is just "going over my head" beacuse it have made up my mind on what i want to be "mad about"

None of those points have anything to do with any debate being had here and is just a dismissive attack as opposed to a fun discussion.

You can proclaim anything you want buddy. Proclaim it all day long Mr. Jedi Master. You sound like an angry teenager.

Time to stop that personal stuff.
This is an Official Warning.

~ Parl

[Gomes3PC]

Turns out when your best player goes from playing well to playing like a possible top-10 guy, you look like a good coach.

Our season rests far more in the hands of whether Tatum and Brown can play at an even higher level than they did for the first half of the year, than it does with whether or not the 9th man on our team is a liability.

JT is just playing the game at a different level these last three games. Case in point, he has gotten 8+ FTAs in all three of these games. In the previous 20 games, he had only 1 game with 8+ FTAs.

When Jayson is aggressive and going at the rim and drawing contact, we play so much better.

[Ernest]

I went out of my way to proclaim it isnt a nesmith vs. romeo thing.

But Brad found minutes for Romeo immediately after being cleared to play, which is interesting when he claims it is hard to find playing time for young guys.

He continues to find minutes for Semi even though he brings very little and has no future as opposed to getting nesmith a few minutes who is, like it or lump it, a key part of the future of the team.


I think Brad has some major flaws, but this is one that can be addressed now, and should be addressed now. You can disagree with me all you want in regards to Brads ability as a championship level head coach in the nba, and I can disagree with you.

But I dont think there is any need for telling someone else not to "reason" with me, and that the logic is just "going over my head" beacuse it have made up my mind on what i want to be "mad about"

None of those points have anything to do with any debate being had here and is just a dismissive attack as opposed to a fun discussion.

You can proclaim anything you want buddy. Proclaim it all day long Mr. Jedi Master. You sound like an angry teenager.

Time to stop that personal stuff.
This is an Official Warning.

~ Parl

Ok I think that's fair.

It was the "angry teenager" part that was too far huh?

I'm sorry. Old Earnest went too far again.

[Bleeding Green]

There will people people yelling all these things at the duckboats during the victory parade.

"YOU SHOULD HAVE DRAFTED DARIUS BAZLEY INSTEAD!"

"AT SOME POINT YOUY HAVE TO TRADE UP, WHY DIDN'T YOU TRADE UP FOR TYLER HERRO?!"

[djFan71]

Hey!

The team is looking good for the first time all year really. We played less than .500 ball most of the season. And we have a lot of talent. So yeah there were reasons to get mad.

But the team looks to have turned a corner. We are getting some wins. And we don't look scared or lazy out there now. The next stretch of the season should be fun. We can climb the standings and get ready for the playoffs.

So I'm just wondering, does anyone want to get of fthe doom and gloom bandwagon and get back to loving our team? It would be nice to have this place be more optimistic and I think the team is finally giving us something to get behind.

I think we have enough threads on the topic, so I merged this into the Fire Stevens one.

[JediMasterRevan]

There will people people yelling all these things at the duckboats during the victory parade.

"YOU SHOULD HAVE DRAFTED DARIUS BAZLEY INSTEAD!"

"AT SOME POINT YOUY HAVE TO TRADE UP, WHY DIDN'T YOU TRADE UP FOR TYLER HERRO?!"

Or trade down or out.

[GWVan]

I keep popping in to see when the fire brad and fire danny threads are off the front page
not looking like the misery of this board is getting any better

[Fencer reregistered]

Two straight games with Brad making a seriously good coaching move.

First it was covering Jokic with Grant, while Rob was also on the court.
Then it was the missed FT play design to deny Lillard a decent longshot (pun intended) 3pter opportunity.

(Even so, coaching up a guy on what to do if he misses his first FT can't have helped his concentration on that one.)

[sam_I_am]

Turns out when your best player goes from playing well to playing like a possible top-10 guy, you look like a good coach.

Our season rests far more in the hands of whether Tatum and Brown can play at an even higher level than they did for the first half of the year, than it does with whether or not the 9th man on our team is a liability.

JT is just playing the game at a different level these last three games. Case in point, he has gotten 8+ FTAs in all three of these games. In the previous 20 games, he had only 1 game with 8+ FTAs.

When Jayson is aggressive and going at the rim and drawing contact, we play so much better.

Our regular season record would have been better if the Jays played less hero ball, Smart chucked less 3s, and the team as a whole moved the ball more. However, as these past few games against top teams have shown, we are a really good team when we move the ball and can count on the Jays to make tough individual shots under great pressure in key moments and Smart confidently hits big time 3 point shots when we need it most. The process may have been hard to watch but it’s starting to pay off in a big way.

The defense the team played against Denver is what we will see in the playoffs but when the team was missing players and playing 2 bigs because we had to it wasn’t necessarily the best option. I think Brad has done a masterful job of getting this team in position to be ready to play it’s best basketball while managing a short off season, an injured veteran star who needs playing time managed, and a league worst loss of availability of players due to Covid.

Continued development of the young players - Grant, RW, PP, Langford - has been phenomenal even though at times it was ugly. Kudos to Brad for that. Last great challenge will be getting Fournier into the flow.

People want to fire Brad but I think this may be his finest job as a coach in Boston yet. Just wait....it will be easier to see after the next 20 games have been played.

[djFan71]

Turns out when your best player goes from playing well to playing like a possible top-10 guy, you look like a good coach.

Our season rests far more in the hands of whether Tatum and Brown can play at an even higher level than they did for the first half of the year, than it does with whether or not the 9th man on our team is a liability.

JT is just playing the game at a different level these last three games. Case in point, he has gotten 8+ FTAs in all three of these games. In the previous 20 games, he had only 1 game with 8+ FTAs.

When Jayson is aggressive and going at the rim and drawing contact, we play so much better.

Our regular season record would have been better if the Jays played less hero ball, Smart chucked less 3s, and the team as a whole moved the ball more. However, as these past few games against top teams have shown, we are a really good team when we move the ball and can count on the Jays to make tough individual shots under great pressure in key moments and Smart confidently hits big time 3 point shots when we need it most. The process may have been hard to watch but it’s starting to pay off in a big way.

The defense the team played against Denver is what we will see in the playoffs but when the team was missing players and playing 2 bigs because we had to it wasn’t necessarily the best option. I think Brad has done a masterful job of getting this team in position to be ready to play it’s best basketball while managing a short off season, an injured veteran star who needs playing time managed, and a league worst loss of availability of players due to Covid.

Continued development of the young players - Grant, RW, PP, Langford - has been phenomenal even though at times it was ugly. Kudos to Brad for that. Last great challenge will be getting Fournier into the flow.

People want to fire Brad but I think this may be his finest job as a coach in Boston yet. Just wait....it will be easier to see after the next 20 games have been played.

Great post.

[Fencer reregistered]

Turns out when your best player goes from playing well to playing like a possible top-10 guy, you look like a good coach.

Our season rests far more in the hands of whether Tatum and Brown can play at an even higher level than they did for the first half of the year, than it does with whether or not the 9th man on our team is a liability.

JT is just playing the game at a different level these last three games. Case in point, he has gotten 8+ FTAs in all three of these games. In the previous 20 games, he had only 1 game with 8+ FTAs.

When Jayson is aggressive and going at the rim and drawing contact, we play so much better.

Our regular season record would have been better if the Jays played less hero ball, Smart chucked less 3s, and the team as a whole moved the ball more. However, as these past few games against top teams have shown, we are a really good team when we move the ball and can count on the Jays to make tough individual shots under great pressure in key moments and Smart confidently hits big time 3 point shots when we need it most. The process may have been hard to watch but it’s starting to pay off in a big way.

The defense the team played against Denver is what we will see in the playoffs but when the team was missing players and playing 2 bigs because we had to it wasn’t necessarily the best option. I think Brad has done a masterful job of getting this team in position to be ready to play it’s best basketball while managing a short off season, an injured veteran star who needs playing time managed, and a league worst loss of availability of players due to Covid.

Continued development of the young players - Grant, RW, PP, Langford - has been phenomenal even though at times it was ugly. Kudos to Brad for that. Last great challenge will be getting Fournier into the flow.

People want to fire Brad but I think this may be his finest job as a coach in Boston yet. Just wait....it will be easier to see after the next 20 games have been played.

Phenomenal?

What has happened that wouldn't also have happened under many other coaches?

[Bad-Thoma]

1) There was other option to dodge that tax. Like not breaking up the TPE for FOurnier, not taking back Wagner and Kornet (combined 4,411,920 salary) thus not needing to send out Theis (5 million) Not taking back Wagner and Kornet and instead sending out Edwards would have saved the same amount as sending off Thies.
Therefore there was additional reasoning behind it. It HAD to be to open up playing time at the center position.

Just because you don't understand the reasoning behind a move doesn't mean it HAD to be a reason you made up. The Fournier move was fantastic (if he re-signs), and the Theis move happened last second which was likely, IMO (you know, opinion, not fact which is what we are all working with here) because DA had a lot of irons in the fire. Who says anyone was willing to take Edwards at that moment while maybe the Theis thing was on the back burner to help make other deals? I don't know but neither do you, and none of it means it HAD to be some weird conspiracy by DA to force Brad's hand to start RW when RW's minutes were already trending up as he got stronger and gained more experience. That's just nonsense.

It isnt nonsense.

It is one of a few possible scenarios. In my opion, a top one.

Fair enough, your opinion is your opinion. I don't agree that it's a remotely likely scenario but we certainly don't need to agree.

[moonie_mcgee]

JT is just playing the game at a different level these last three games. Case in point, he has gotten 8+ FTAs in all three of these games. In the previous 20 games, he had only 1 game with 8+ FTAs.

When Jayson is aggressive and going at the rim and drawing contact, we play so much better.

Yes the correlation seems strong. Tatum is also landing on his feet when absorbing contact. Brown needs to and I believe will get there. Brown has come a tremendous way since his rookie regarding playing through contact. Playing through contact and landing on your feet will huge for both of them in terms of FTs, wear n tear on the body and overall confidence. If Tatum AND Brown attack the lane as Tatum has been doing these past 3 games, the Cs will be in that top tier.

[playa-hater]

Since I see a conversation about Nesmith in this thread and comments along the lines of "he's not ready" "missed summer camp" no preseason etc,, I get all of that. And I get that I may be near the top Nesmith supporter of playing time here.

With that said, NOT once did I say he was ready or even close to ready. But in a longer more detailed response I did a month or 2 ago, I made the point about getting someone ready and using Jay Wright's philosophy of going through the growing pains process to "get the player ready faster"

Looking back now, no matter what you think of Nesmith's game/potential, there was no reason, NONE, that so many "bad"/no future players like C Edwards, T Waters, J Green, J Teague should have played over Nesmith. As I stated many times, playing players with NOT much positive production and more importantly, NO FUTURE with us was a waste.

If I wasn't so focused on our current playoff run, I would get into why Nesmith should have been given many of Semi's minutes as well.

*If you ever in your life played some serious level of BB, you would know that more playing time = more comfortable + more comfortable = better results. It really is that simple.

[Bad-Thoma]

Since I see a conversation about Nesmith in this thread and comments along the lines of "he's not ready" "missed summer camp" no preseason etc,, I get all of that. And I get that I may be near the top Nesmith supporter of playing time here.

With that said, NOT once did I say he was ready or even close to ready. But in a longer more detailed response I did a month or 2 ago, I made the point about getting someone ready and using Jay Wright's philosophy of going through the growing pains process to "get the player ready faster"

Looking back now, no matter what you think of Nesmith's game/potential, there was no reason, NONE, that so many "bad"/no future players like C Edwards, T Waters, J Green, J Teague should have played over Nesmith. As I stated many times, playing players with NOT much positive production and more importantly, NO FUTURE with us was a waste.

If I wasn't so focused on our current playoff run, I would get into why Nesmith should have been given many of Semi's minutes as well.

*If you ever in your life played some serious level of BB, you would know that more playing time = more comfortable + more comfortable = better results. It really is that simple.

Here's what I don't get with this. Nesmith, as a really raw rookie has played more minutes than Javonte and more than Carsen and Tremont combined. Considering some of this minutes they probably were on the floor together in garbage time, especially in Tremont's case, the disparity is even higher. Javonte actually could play some man defense and Nesmith still saw more time than him overall. Teague was a whole different animal, he was brought in as a veteran pg and played his most minutes while Kemba was out, there was no way Nesmith was getting his minutes as he couldn't fill that role and with no Kemba the back court was kind of thin. So Brad played this raw kid more than any of the guys you mentioned when we were short handed other than Teague who was (at least was supposed to be and was starting to finally fit in before being traded) filling a role that Nesmith really couldn't so where is the problem?

I'll agree that if this season wasn't about winning he should get more minutes but that was never the case, even when we were looking bad getting better was always the focus for this team regardless of some fans weird tanking fetishes.