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louisorr wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Yes. I would be happy if we came away with him.
Other than the Bargnani impersonation, I don't see how a team in the top 10 doesn't take a swing on this guy. It'd be a miracle if he was available to Knicks. if Cade is a no brainer no.1 how different is this guy?
thebuzzardman wrote:louisorr wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Yes. I would be happy if we came away with him.
Other than the Bargnani impersonation, I don't see how a team in the top 10 doesn't take a swing on this guy. It'd be a miracle if he was available to Knicks. if Cade is a no brainer no.1 how different is this guy?
So, what's his comp? Caucasian Andre Miller? Upmarket Alex Caruso? Joe Ingles Redux?
3toheadmelo wrote:Mann is the man
2010 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:louisorr wrote:Other than the Bargnani impersonation, I don't see how a team in the top 10 doesn't take a swing on this guy. It'd be a miracle if he was available to Knicks. if Cade is a no brainer no.1 how different is this guy?
So, what's his comp? Caucasian Andre Miller? Upmarket Alex Caruso? Joe Ingles Redux?
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WargamesX wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If we can walk away with Josh Giddey with either Bouknight, Mitchell, Mann, and Cam Thomas, I'd think this would be a very successful draft. It would fix our playmaking and scoring needs with one fell swoop. I'm not really sure if this is possible cuz it looks like Giddey and Mitchell will be late lottery guys and I just can't imagine Bouknight falling from there either but outside getting into the top 5 this would be the best we could do.
Mitchell really isn’t a Thibs type of guard. He likes them a little bigger and more likely to get FT’s. Keep in mind he like Obi too so that only counts so much but I don’t see us taking Davion.
robillionaire wrote:I think we got hoodwinked into believing that it was going to be a strong draft, and that's not even me being sour grapes that we don't have a top 5 pick because we have 4 picks in this draft
Now I'll break down why I think that based on tankathon's draft order
Cade - not as good as I thought he'd look, won't score as easily with bully ball against NBA defenses, has to have the ball in his hands, poor spot-up shooter, not very athletic or explosive, would still rather have LaMelo. But he's a lock for #1 and has a lot of potential.
Mobley- who drafts a center top 5? isn't anthony davis. looks more like a souped up mo bamba, good passer, might be ok but not worth losing sleep over. needs a sandwich
Suggs- looked pretty good playing on the most stacked team in NCAA history who made it very easy for him. He looks solid but I'm not particularly wowed
Green-ok in the G-League. Only reason he kept this spot is because he was here when the season started and nobody else rose enough to take the spot and he didn't rise enough to take anybody else's spot.
Kuminga-See above, plus shot 38% FG in the G League and 24% from 3. jesus christ this is what a top 5 player looks like in a stacked draft?
Jalen Johnson-Had maybe two good games all season against Coppin State and then got injured and quit on Duke, can't really shoot, turnover machine
Barnes- Can't score or rebound. SF version of Frank if Frank could pass
Kispert- Is old and from 3 shot 3-10 against BYU 2-8 against UCLA and 2-7 against Baylor in the 3 most important games of the season. That's 28% when they needed him the most. insert reggie miller pic with hands on neck
Sengun-This guy is a top 10 pick now? Damn this is a weak draft. Mystery center from Turkey. In fairness his stats look great but he probably just rose this high because the draft is so weak. I'd probably take him because everyone else looks bad
Wagner-What's so special about this guy? Top 10? Like I'm genuinely confused about this one, no category stands out. How's Mortiz doing?
Keon-bad offensive player, can't shoot, 27% from 3, more turnovers than assists, offensive BPM was 1. lol
Moody- fizzled out in the tournament, shot 6-30 in the last 2 tournament games, doesn't pass, homeless danny green. at least he's young
Bouknight-1.8 ast to 2.8 turnovers a game. shot 29% from 3, trending downwards
Isaiah Jackson- no real offensive game, foul prone, can't shoot, 1 dimensional shot blocker, poor man's nerlens noel, I would still be ok drafting him because reasons
Ziaire Williams- just look at this man's stats, where do you start? it's like looking at a car accident, what went wrong? how is he even in the first round?
Garuba- 6'8 power forward who averages 8ppg in spain or something and shoots 55% from the free throw line
Davion Mitchell- as old as Methuselah, ESPN wants him to go top 10. If we were getting him here at 17th I'd probably be cool with it, but again, he's old
Springer- Anybody else just forget that this guy existed and was supposed to be a lottery pick? I'd be ok taking him here at 18 but nothing looks special here
Kai Jones-Just what we need another power forward with no offensive game averaged 8ppg and a poor rebounder. What am I supposed to be impressed by
Duarte-oh my god... I thought Davion was old... this guy will be 24 when the season starts, reminds me of this kid I know who failed 8th grade 3 times to the point he drove a car to grade school, but he dominated us all in gym
Giddey-this is a good basketball player, finally, something that's interesting to me, at pick 21
Sharpe-just looks like your average run of the mill boring center
Jared Butler-looks ok I guess, is old. would be ok taking him 23rd I guess
Greg Brown-instead of typing it all out, just go here and look at all his weaknesses. So much red it would make your eyes bleed and somehow managed to have a negative OBPM. http://www.tankathon.com/players/greg-brown
Petrusev-Who? At pick 25 We're getting into the 21 year old serbian centers now. That's how bad this is. 6 centers in the top 25 and none of them even look good besides maybe Mobley
Cooper- 6'1 and shoots 22% from 3. Need I say more?
I'm actually just going to stop at 26 because it's not getting any better from here folks.
WargamesX wrote:Do we know whose signed to CAA yet?
WargamesX wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Mann is the man
I really like Mann, to the point I would be ok with taking him with our pick and not the Mavs. If the goal was to use the draft to build our bench his ability to score off the screen would be really great next to IQ as a backcourt. Basically, him running around screens would force defenders to choose to either chase him or try to defend IQ on a slash to the basket. Add hopefully a stronger Obi P&R and maybe a wing who can pass like Giddey and the bench could have its own style that could be a nightmade to opponents.
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thebuzzardman wrote:louisorr wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Yes. I would be happy if we came away with him.
Other than the Bargnani impersonation, I don't see how a team in the top 10 doesn't take a swing on this guy. It'd be a miracle if he was available to Knicks. if Cade is a no brainer no.1 how different is this guy?
So, what's his comp? Caucasian Andre Miller? Upmarket Alex Caruso? Joe Ingles Redux?
louisorr wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Yes. I would be happy if we came away with him.
Other than the Bargnani impersonation, I don't see how a team in the top 10 doesn't take a swing on this guy. It'd be a miracle if he was available to Knicks. if Cade is a no brainer no.1 how different is this guy?
dukeknicksirish wrote:
Player Comparison : Australian Lamelo Ball
Giddy________ . ________________ Ball
Height: 6'8 ___________. __________6'7
Points: 11.16_________. ___________17 (NBL)
Assists: 7.05__________.____________7 (NBL)
Rbds: 6.84__________.____________7 (NBL)
FG% 41____________.____________37 (NBL)
NewKnicks wrote:WargamesX wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If we can walk away with Josh Giddey with either Bouknight, Mitchell, Mann, and Cam Thomas, I'd think this would be a very successful draft. It would fix our playmaking and scoring needs with one fell swoop. I'm not really sure if this is possible cuz it looks like Giddey and Mitchell will be late lottery guys and I just can't imagine Bouknight falling from there either but outside getting into the top 5 this would be the best we could do.
Mitchell really isn’t a Thibs type of guard. He likes them a little bigger and more likely to get FT’s. Keep in mind he like Obi too so that only counts so much but I don’t see us taking Davion.
I hope you're right. I want no part of Mitchell. He's this years 'riser' because he played a few good games in the tourney. I hope we stay far away from him and make another team make that mistake.
cgf wrote:WargamesX wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Mann is the man
I really like Mann, to the point I would be ok with taking him with our pick and not the Mavs. If the goal was to use the draft to build our bench his ability to score off the screen would be really great next to IQ as a backcourt. Basically, him running around screens would force defenders to choose to either chase him or try to defend IQ on a slash to the basket. Add hopefully a stronger Obi P&R and maybe a wing who can pass like Giddey and the bench could have its own style that could be a nightmade to opponents.
That's how I picture the bench working if we get Ziaire+Butler and IQ doesn't start next season.
RHODEY wrote:cgf wrote:WargamesX wrote:
I really like Mann, to the point I would be ok with taking him with our pick and not the Mavs. If the goal was to use the draft to build our bench his ability to score off the screen would be really great next to IQ as a backcourt. Basically, him running around screens would force defenders to choose to either chase him or try to defend IQ on a slash to the basket. Add hopefully a stronger Obi P&R and maybe a wing who can pass like Giddey and the bench could have its own style that could be a nightmade to opponents.
That's how I picture the bench working if we get Ziaire+Butler and IQ doesn't start next season.
Wow..he Kinda reminds me of CJ Mcollum...will he still be around when we pick?
dukeknicksirish wrote:
Player Comparison : Australian Lamelo Ball
Giddy________ . ________________ Ball
Height: 6'8 ___________. __________6'7
Points: 11.16_________. ___________17 (NBL)
Assists: 7.05__________.____________7 (NBL)
Rbds: 6.84__________.____________7 (NBL)
FG% 41____________.____________37 (NBL)