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Post#1 » by tamaraw08 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:18 pm

It is very difficult to set aside and forget what has transpired since this guy has arrived here.
He declared he wants to start eventho he seems perfect for this team to contribute great from the bench.
Turned down initial AND 2nd offer from Pelinka, which signals his clear intention to go for the highest bidder regardless.
He has this arrogant gait, with his shoulders up, scowl and that annoying blond spot hair.
His 3pt% has been down and less impressive and his high turnovers are disturbing....
But what the positives?
He is a pretty good on the ball defender. His FG% maybe down but his ability to attack the basket makes up for it, resulting to his 54%TS% allowing him to get layups/FT attempts(his FTrate is at a high .37 as compared to other PGs. Lonzo has .095 and Bledsoe at .245 with a TS% of 52.8%
Last night's game, Caruso was crowned the hero for those clutch shots and defensive plays and yet Dennis set him up for that crucial 3, with 19pts, 6 assists to ONE TURNOVER and 2 steals.
Bear in mind Lakers can't just go to another freeagent and offer the money they can offer to Schroder. Yes, he should'nt be overpaid...Personally, I like Patty Mills but I don't know if he will agree to an MLE. SO....
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Post#2 » by Kilroy » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:46 pm

It's the same as it always was for me... He's an undersized 3-d wing, who's best role is probably scoring focal point off the bench...

He's NOT a starting PG on a good team.

If he still expects to start at the 1 for us, I hope we let him walk.
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Post#3 » by iamworthy » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:54 pm

He makes very poor decisions that are just super annoying. Not a starter at all. I hope we can sign and trade him at the end of the year. I was happy to see LeBron take over primary ball handling after the all-star break but then he got hurt. I'll give him this, he competes on defense. he's being exposed with LeBron and AD out and that's a problem when you consider the type of money he wants. hopefully the Knicks take him of our hands. If he's going to make silly decisions I rather live with a 20yr old THT making the same ones in hopes he figures it out.
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Post#4 » by Beethoven » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:48 pm

I like his stamina and will , and his defensive annoyance to the other team's ballhandler. He is pretty good at that. He keeps his nose in the defense at all times.
Offensively, I would like to see him show his spurt off the bench for periods when Lebron is resting (but w Caruso or someone else sharing the ballhandling, not just strictly Dennis). He should not start.

He has to play more a shooting guard role.
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Post#5 » by stan francisco » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:51 pm

iamworthy wrote:He makes very poor decisions that are just super annoying. Not a starter at all. I hope we can sign and trade him at the end of the year. I was happy to see LeBron take over primary ball handling after the all-star break but then he got hurt. I'll give him this, he competes on defense. he's being exposed with LeBron and AD out and that's a problem when you consider the type of money he wants. hopefully the Knicks take him of our hands. If he's going to make silly decisions I rather live with a 20yr old THT making the same ones in hopes he figures it out.


This.

He’s a pesky one on one defender for quick opposing PGs. He’s not the best team defense PG. He dribbles too much, doesn’t create for others with ease, but isn’t all bad at setting people up. I like his confidence but it’s a bit over-inflated (by himself). The ‘team first’ mentality isn’t natural to him. I see way more upside with THT long term.
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Post#6 » by tamaraw08 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:45 pm

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iamworthy wrote:He makes very poor decisions that are just super annoying. Not a starter at all. I hope we can sign and trade him at the end of the year. I was happy to see LeBron take over primary ball handling after the all-star break but then he got hurt. I'll give him this, he competes on defense. he's being exposed with LeBron and AD out and that's a problem when you consider the type of money he wants. hopefully the Knicks take him of our hands. If he's going to make silly decisions I rather live with a 20yr old THT making the same ones in hopes he figures it out.


This.

He’s a pesky one on one defender for quick opposing PGs. He’s not the best team defense PG. He dribbles too much, doesn’t create for others with ease, but isn’t all bad at setting people up. I like his confidence but it’s a bit over-inflated (by himself). The ‘team first’ mentality isn’t natural to him. I see way more upside with THT long term.


I really think it's a huge mistake to a compare him to a natural pass first PG like Rondo bec he is NOT that type of player. KBlo compared him to a Tony Parker who does'n't shoot the 3 well and is NOT a great passer.
Parker at 27 has a turnover rate of 15.3 while Schroder at 16.6.
Both are have a quick first step which enables them to attack the basket, shot at 54TS%, both has a high FT rate.
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Post#7 » by Kilroy » Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:03 pm

...One thing about a sign and trade with Schroder, is that doing that, makes us cap-responsible for whatever we sign him for if we take on equal value in return... So if we hope to retain Drummond, for example, I think it's better to just let Schroder walk.

Now, if we could trade him, and say Kuz and KCP for a better talent... That would make sense. That's just a more limited pool, than simply signing a FA... And no one is going to want to deal with us if we win another Chip...

I would try to trade everyone not named AD, LeBron, THT, Caruso, and maybe Morris this summer for a 3rd star... I'd over-pay a little just to free up some cash to have the flexibility to retain THT and Caruso, along with adding the right fit at either 3 and D wing, Shooting Guard, or Point... And i pray Drummond works out and we can retain him long term as a limited role, buffer for AD...
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Post#8 » by Beethoven » Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:21 pm

^I want to keep Kuz and KCP.
Any chance to get a star for a package of players, is not worth breaking up key components of the defensive core of this team. imo

and keep Trez, if he dont opt out.
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Post#9 » by BEazy » Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:02 pm

I've been very critical of this guy ever since he demanded to start without ever playing a single game for us. I knew the first red flag is when he said he didn't want to join the Lakers. I hate this, "Oh, once he's on the squad his mindset of the team will change." For some players, it never changes. When you have an ego like this guy it's hard to convince him to buy into the system and stay committed to the team. Dennis is all about the name on the back of the jersey instead of the front. He'll be like that until the end of his career.

Getting Dennis was a mistake in my opinion. He constantly turns the ball over and he doesn't make his teammates better. His defense is spotty as well. He will play well when he gets his fouls calls, but when the refs swallow the whistle for him he tends to put his head down and CONSTANTLY whine to the refs. He then loses all focus of the game and that's when the dumbass Schroder shows up. He's so full of anger that he loses focus on the details of the game and commits these ridiculous turnovers that not even a rec player would commit. I remember reading somewhere that when Schroder was with the Hawks he had a major temper problem and that's why he never fully blossomed over there. I still think he has a temper problem now.

The contract situation further proves that he's all about himself and he would rather handicap this team than help them win championships. Think about it, nobody is going to want to deal with Schroder after the way he screwed over the Lakers and no GM in the league will EVER trade for that toxic contract of his, if we offer more than previously offered. The only way to get this guy off the team is to sign and trade, and knowing Schroder I'm pretty sure he won't help us with that. So we'll have to just let him walk and take our chances with a mMLE PG. I honestly want this guy off the team so bad. The contract situation is a distraction and downright stupid to even talk about to the public. I have no idea why he and his agent are doing this to a franchise that ALWAYS takes care of their players the right way.

I always hated how this guy always needs the last word in a intense jawing match with somebody. While I did think Kyrie was being a crybaby, Schroder should've had some common sense to just walk away and let Kyrie throw his temper tantrum to the refs. He knew his team needed him, but he felt like the last word was more important to him. I'm old school, and I love how Kobe, Dirk, Timmy, Manu never said a word during intense moments and let their game do the talking to shut their opponent up. I don't know, everything this kid does rubs me the wrong way and I'm praying we don't overpay this guy and hope his ass gets shipped out. If it means getting rid of KCP and Kuzma to get some players we've loss through free agency so be it. As long as Mr. Egomaniac isn't on the team next season.

I would keep Caruso, Drummond, THT, AD, LBJ. That's about it.
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Post#10 » by Beethoven » Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:22 pm

ScHoolBoy B wrote:I've been very critical of this guy ever since he demanded to start without ever playing a single game for us. I knew the first red flag is when he said he didn't want to join the Lakers. I hate this, "Oh, once he's on the squad his mindset of the team will change." For some players, it never changes. When you have an ego like this guy it's hard to convince him to buy into the system and stay committed to the team. Dennis is all about the name on the back of the jersey instead of the front. He'll be like that until the end of his career.

Getting Dennis was a mistake in my opinion. He constantly turns the ball over and he doesn't make his teammates better. His defense is spotty as well. He will play well when he gets his fouls calls, but when the refs swallow the whistle for him he tends to put his head down and CONSTANTLY whine to the refs. He then loses all focus of the game and that's when the dumbass Schroder shows up. He's so full of anger that he loses focus on the details of the game and commits these ridiculous turnovers that not even a rec player would commit. I remember reading somewhere that when Schroder was with the Hawks he had a major temper problem and that's why he never fully blossomed over there. I still think he has a temper problem now.

The contract situation further proves that he's all about himself and he would rather handicap this team than help them win championships. Think about it, nobody is going to want to deal with Schroder after the way he screwed over the Lakers and no GM in the league will EVER trade for that toxic contract of his, if we offer more than previously offered. The only way to get this guy off the team is to sign and trade, and knowing Schroder I'm pretty sure he won't help us with that. So we'll have to just let him walk and take our chances with a mMLE PG. I honestly want this guy off the team so bad. The contract situation is a distraction and downright stupid to even talk about to the public. I have no idea why he and his agent are doing this to a franchise that ALWAYS takes care of their players the right way.

I always hated how this guy always needs the last word in a intense jawing match with somebody. While I did think Kyrie was being a crybaby, Schroder should've had some common sense to just walk away and let Kyrie throw his temper tantrum to the refs. He knew his team needed him, but he felt like the last word was more important to him. I'm old school, and I love how Kobe, Dirk, Timmy, Manu never said a word during intense moments and let their game do the talking to shut their opponent up. I don't know, everything this kid does rubs me the wrong way and I'm praying we don't overpay this guy and hope his ass gets shipped out. If it means getting rid of KCP and Kuzma to get some players we've loss through free agency so be it. As long as Mr. Egomaniac isn't on the team next season.

I would keep Caruso, Drummond, THT, AD, LBJ. That's about it.

wow man it aint that bad. You make it sound like some crazy **** is happening in our team regarding this dude (other than the injuries).
I disagree about the contract situation ; the player is entitled to make the money-talks about himself, also however I dont believe his focus is to handicap the team than to help win championship. The guy just wants to test the waters this offseason (his first big free agency) and decided to not accept the extension. What is so bad about that? Front office strategy-wise, it is bad news sort of, but he didnt do anything unethical, or tasteless, or toxic, just now if we are an experienced business front office, we got to think and make the next move strategically, not pout about what he did ! :)
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Post#11 » by BEazy » Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:44 pm

Beethoven wrote:
ScHoolBoy B wrote:I've been very critical of this guy ever since he demanded to start without ever playing a single game for us. I knew the first red flag is when he said he didn't want to join the Lakers. I hate this, "Oh, once he's on the squad his mindset of the team will change." For some players, it never changes. When you have an ego like this guy it's hard to convince him to buy into the system and stay committed to the team. Dennis is all about the name on the back of the jersey instead of the front. He'll be like that until the end of his career.

Getting Dennis was a mistake in my opinion. He constantly turns the ball over and he doesn't make his teammates better. His defense is spotty as well. He will play well when he gets his fouls calls, but when the refs swallow the whistle for him he tends to put his head down and CONSTANTLY whine to the refs. He then loses all focus of the game and that's when the dumbass Schroder shows up. He's so full of anger that he loses focus on the details of the game and commits these ridiculous turnovers that not even a rec player would commit. I remember reading somewhere that when Schroder was with the Hawks he had a major temper problem and that's why he never fully blossomed over there. I still think he has a temper problem now.

The contract situation further proves that he's all about himself and he would rather handicap this team than help them win championships. Think about it, nobody is going to want to deal with Schroder after the way he screwed over the Lakers and no GM in the league will EVER trade for that toxic contract of his, if we offer more than previously offered. The only way to get this guy off the team is to sign and trade, and knowing Schroder I'm pretty sure he won't help us with that. So we'll have to just let him walk and take our chances with a mMLE PG. I honestly want this guy off the team so bad. The contract situation is a distraction and downright stupid to even talk about to the public. I have no idea why he and his agent are doing this to a franchise that ALWAYS takes care of their players the right way.

I always hated how this guy always needs the last word in a intense jawing match with somebody. While I did think Kyrie was being a crybaby, Schroder should've had some common sense to just walk away and let Kyrie throw his temper tantrum to the refs. He knew his team needed him, but he felt like the last word was more important to him. I'm old school, and I love how Kobe, Dirk, Timmy, Manu never said a word during intense moments and let their game do the talking to shut their opponent up. I don't know, everything this kid does rubs me the wrong way and I'm praying we don't overpay this guy and hope his ass gets shipped out. If it means getting rid of KCP and Kuzma to get some players we've loss through free agency so be it. As long as Mr. Egomaniac isn't on the team next season.

I would keep Caruso, Drummond, THT, AD, LBJ. That's about it.

wow man it aint that bad. You make it sound like some crazy **** is happening in our team regarding this dude (other than the injuries).
I disagree about the contract situation ; the player is entitled to make the money-talks about himself, also however I dont believe his focus is to handicap the team than to help win championship. The guy just wants to test the waters this offseason (his first big free agency) and decided to not accept the extension. What is so bad about that? Front office strategy-wise, it is bad news sort of, but he didnt do anything unethical, or tasteless, or toxic, just now if we are an experienced business front office, we got to think and make the next move strategically, not pout about what he did ! :)


If you want to be oblivious to the facts, that's up to you. When DS starts turning the ball over constantly in the playoffs or just throwing up dumb ****, don't say I didn't tell you about his mediocre play.
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Post#12 » by Beethoven » Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:46 pm

I was talking about his contract situation. His play I havent said anything about it. I know how he plays. I am not oblivious
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Post#13 » by BEazy » Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:55 pm

Beethoven wrote:I was talking about his contract situation. His play I havent said anything about it. I know how he plays. I am not oblivious


You're missing the point that if we pony up and over pay for him that severely limits us in free agency and future free agency. If he wants to get paid then go to the Knicks, and do what Carmelo did. Lakers are about championships and nothing else. If you forgot about that then I don't know what to tell you.

That's like saying pay $100,000 for a Toyota Camry. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay that price for a Camry...
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Post#14 » by BEazy » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:02 pm

Beethoven wrote:^I want to keep Kuz and KCP.
Any chance to get a star for a package of players, is not worth breaking up key components of the defensive core of this team. imo

and keep Trez, if he dont opt out.


Starting to wonder if you have really watched Trez lately. He's not motivated or interested anymore because we got Drummond. Trez is definitely leaving to go get paid somewhere.
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Post#15 » by Beethoven » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:05 pm

^my point is that he didnt do anything wrong. He is negotiating that is all he did. We work with that. There's no need to hate about that and call it toxic. I wouldnt pay 100,000 for a camry (although I did pay close to it; im not good dealing at car dealerships ) but i wouldnt hate the a guy and get overly mad at him bc he was asking for it if he was selling it.
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Post#16 » by Beethoven » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:08 pm

ScHoolBoy B wrote:
Beethoven wrote:^I want to keep Kuz and KCP.
Any chance to get a star for a package of players, is not worth breaking up key components of the defensive core of this team. imo

and keep Trez, if he dont opt out.


Starting to wonder if you have really watched Trez lately. He's not motivated or interested anymore because we got Drummond. Trez is definitely leaving to go get paid somewhere.

huh? I dont see that. I have watched Trezz lately. Every game. Maybe our perspectives are skewed.
Just bc a team grabbed another center makes a pro athlete unmotivated on a contending team.. i dunno i dont buy that . He can have a slip or bad stretch here and there but it isnt bc of something that happens to NBA teams all the time. That's like high school JV mentality
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Post#17 » by BEazy » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:10 pm

Beethoven wrote:^my point is that he didnt do anything wrong. He is negotiating that is all he did. We work with that. There's no need to hate about that and call it toxic. I wouldnt pay 100,000 for a camry (although I did pay close to it; im not good dealing at car dealerships ) but i wouldnt hate the a guy and get overly mad at him bc he was asking for it if he was selling it.


All I'm saying is his price tag according to him is severely over his actual fair market price. I'm not about that, but I guess it's not my money.

Nvm you don't get the car reference. If a person was telling you to pay $100,000.00 for a Camry, please don't pay it. You severely got ripped off and you should be mad at the dealer.
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Post#18 » by tamaraw08 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:29 pm

ScHoolBoy B wrote:I've been very critical of this guy ever since he demanded to start without ever playing a single game for us. I knew the first red flag is when he said he didn't want to join the Lakers. I hate this, "Oh, once he's on the squad his mindset of the team will change." For some players, it never changes. When you have an ego like this guy it's hard to convince him to buy into the system and stay committed to the team. Dennis is all about the name on the back of the jersey instead of the front. He'll be like that until the end of his career.

Getting Dennis was a mistake in my opinion. He constantly turns the ball over and he doesn't make his teammates better. His defense is spotty as well. He will play well when he gets his fouls calls, but when the refs swallow the whistle for him he tends to put his head down and CONSTANTLY whine to the refs. He then loses all focus of the game and that's when the dumbass Schroder shows up. He's so full of anger that he loses focus on the details of the game and commits these ridiculous turnovers that not even a rec player would commit. I remember reading somewhere that when Schroder was with the Hawks he had a major temper problem and that's why he never fully blossomed over there. I still think he has a temper problem now.

The contract situation further proves that he's all about himself and he would rather handicap this team than help them win championships. Think about it, nobody is going to want to deal with Schroder after the way he screwed over the Lakers and no GM in the league will EVER trade for that toxic contract of his, if we offer more than previously offered. The only way to get this guy off the team is to sign and trade, and knowing Schroder I'm pretty sure he won't help us with that. So we'll have to just let him walk and take our chances with a mMLE PG. I honestly want this guy off the team so bad. The contract situation is a distraction and downright stupid to even talk about to the public. I have no idea why he and his agent are doing this to a franchise that ALWAYS takes care of their players the right way.

I always hated how this guy always needs the last word in a intense jawing match with somebody. While I did think Kyrie was being a crybaby, Schroder should've had some common sense to just walk away and let Kyrie throw his temper tantrum to the refs. He knew his team needed him, but he felt like the last word was more important to him. I'm old school, and I love how Kobe, Dirk, Timmy, Manu never said a word during intense moments and let their game do the talking to shut their opponent up. I don't know, everything this kid does rubs me the wrong way and I'm praying we don't overpay this guy and hope his ass gets shipped out. If it means getting rid of KCP and Kuzma to get some players we've loss through free agency so be it. As long as Mr. Egomaniac isn't on the team next season.

I would keep Caruso, Drummond, THT, AD, LBJ. That's about it.

Pelinka has been getting so much credit for the construction of his team, some say now that he's a genius, a great talent evaluator...well...
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2918943-lakers-news-rob-pelinka-discusses-dennis-schroder-trade-kyle-kuzma-and-more
"We’re really excited about adding Dennis to our core,” Pelinka told Mike Trudell of NBA.com. "I think if you look at the Bubble and what we were able to accomplish there in retrospect, one of the core identities of our team is I felt like we played incredibly tough, competitive, gritty, defensive-focused basketball. That’s really at the core of how Dennis plays.

"He gives us offensively another elite playmaker, both on the ball in a pick-and-roll situation and off the ball as a scorer. He really just fits us perfectly. He’s been a player we’ve pursued not just in this trade deadline but before, we pursued him aggressively. But to finalize a transaction and bring him to the Lakers is satisfying."

Schröder is a need due to the uncertainty surrounding Rajon Rondo's free agency. Avery Bradley is also an unknown after opting out of the final year of his contract to seek a long-term deal.

James is excited to have Schröder on board because he's wanted to play with him for a while, according to ESPN's Brian Windhorst.

"They almost traded for him at the deadline in 2020 and they didn’t," Windhorst said on the Lowe Post podcast. "There’s been a lot of interest there for a while.

"The Lakers have wanted for a while to get–and I know they’re very different players–but Rob Pelinka has been very interested in Dennis Schroder and very interested in Derrick Rose. LeBron really likes his (Schroder’s) game. LeBron’s wanted to play with him for a while. Like I said, they almost traded for him before."

oh well, Lebron I guess was wrong about him?
Don't get me wrong, I don't like the way he trots too like he's got that swagger, scowl on his face etc but again, it's not like he is a terrible player on the court, again it's a mistake to expect him to facilitate this severely undermanned team, he has limited court vision, his passing technique is not Rondoish etc, but so does Tony Parker or Bledsoe and other scoring PGs.
So you like to keep Drummond, but how?
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Re: What's your OBJECTIVE view on Schroder? 

Post#19 » by tamaraw08 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:43 pm

ScHoolBoy B wrote:
Beethoven wrote:
ScHoolBoy B wrote:I've been very critical of this guy ever since he demanded to start without ever playing a single game for us. I knew the first red flag is when he said he didn't want to join the Lakers. I hate this, "Oh, once he's on the squad his mindset of the team will change." For some players, it never changes. When you have an ego like this guy it's hard to convince him to buy into the system and stay committed to the team. Dennis is all about the name on the back of the jersey instead of the front. He'll be like that until the end of his career.

Getting Dennis was a mistake in my opinion. He constantly turns the ball over and he doesn't make his teammates better. His defense is spotty as well. He will play well when he gets his fouls calls, but when the refs swallow the whistle for him he tends to put his head down and CONSTANTLY whine to the refs. He then loses all focus of the game and that's when the dumbass Schroder shows up. He's so full of anger that he loses focus on the details of the game and commits these ridiculous turnovers that not even a rec player would commit. I remember reading somewhere that when Schroder was with the Hawks he had a major temper problem and that's why he never fully blossomed over there. I still think he has a temper problem now.

The contract situation further proves that he's all about himself and he would rather handicap this team than help them win championships. Think about it, nobody is going to want to deal with Schroder after the way he screwed over the Lakers and no GM in the league will EVER trade for that toxic contract of his, if we offer more than previously offered. The only way to get this guy off the team is to sign and trade, and knowing Schroder I'm pretty sure he won't help us with that. So we'll have to just let him walk and take our chances with a mMLE PG. I honestly want this guy off the team so bad. The contract situation is a distraction and downright stupid to even talk about to the public. I have no idea why he and his agent are doing this to a franchise that ALWAYS takes care of their players the right way.

I always hated how this guy always needs the last word in a intense jawing match with somebody. While I did think Kyrie was being a crybaby, Schroder should've had some common sense to just walk away and let Kyrie throw his temper tantrum to the refs. He knew his team needed him, but he felt like the last word was more important to him. I'm old school, and I love how Kobe, Dirk, Timmy, Manu never said a word during intense moments and let their game do the talking to shut their opponent up. I don't know, everything this kid does rubs me the wrong way and I'm praying we don't overpay this guy and hope his ass gets shipped out. If it means getting rid of KCP and Kuzma to get some players we've loss through free agency so be it. As long as Mr. Egomaniac isn't on the team next season.

I would keep Caruso, Drummond, THT, AD, LBJ. That's about it.

wow man it aint that bad. You make it sound like some crazy **** is happening in our team regarding this dude (other than the injuries).
I disagree about the contract situation ; the player is entitled to make the money-talks about himself, also however I dont believe his focus is to handicap the team than to help win championship. The guy just wants to test the waters this offseason (his first big free agency) and decided to not accept the extension. What is so bad about that? Front office strategy-wise, it is bad news sort of, but he didnt do anything unethical, or tasteless, or toxic, just now if we are an experienced business front office, we got to think and make the next move strategically, not pout about what he did ! :)


If you want to be oblivious to the facts, that's up to you. When DS starts turning the ball over constantly in the playoffs or just throwing up dumb ****, don't say I didn't tell you about his mediocre play.


When, not if? For the Lakers sake I hope and pray you are wrong about this.
A 5-man combo of him, AD,Caruso, KCP AND LEBRON is a PLUS 49.2PTS,
+12.5 with Gasol instead of Caruso.
His worst 5 man combo is when he DOESN'T HAVE other playmakers like with AD,Harrell, Kuzma and Wes, there's only 2 other 5 man combo where he had a negative +/- SAME WITH A 4-MAN COMBO, all the rest is a + net rating.
I think the idea is to PAIR him with Lebron so James would not WEAR OUT HAVING TO create scoring opportunities ALL THE TIME.
Last season, Lakers were 11th in ORTG, the LOWEST IN MORE THAN 10 YEARS as champions.
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Re: What's your OBJECTIVE view on Schroder? 

Post#20 » by BEazy » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:47 pm

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tamaraw08 wrote:
ScHoolBoy B wrote:I've been very critical of this guy ever since he demanded to start without ever playing a single game for us. I knew the first red flag is when he said he didn't want to join the Lakers. I hate this, "Oh, once he's on the squad his mindset of the team will change." For some players, it never changes. When you have an ego like this guy it's hard to convince him to buy into the system and stay committed to the team. Dennis is all about the name on the back of the jersey instead of the front. He'll be like that until the end of his career.

Getting Dennis was a mistake in my opinion. He constantly turns the ball over and he doesn't make his teammates better. His defense is spotty as well. He will play well when he gets his fouls calls, but when the refs swallow the whistle for him he tends to put his head down and CONSTANTLY whine to the refs. He then loses all focus of the game and that's when the dumbass Schroder shows up. He's so full of anger that he loses focus on the details of the game and commits these ridiculous turnovers that not even a rec player would commit. I remember reading somewhere that when Schroder was with the Hawks he had a major temper problem and that's why he never fully blossomed over there. I still think he has a temper problem now.

The contract situation further proves that he's all about himself and he would rather handicap this team than help them win championships. Think about it, nobody is going to want to deal with Schroder after the way he screwed over the Lakers and no GM in the league will EVER trade for that toxic contract of his, if we offer more than previously offered. The only way to get this guy off the team is to sign and trade, and knowing Schroder I'm pretty sure he won't help us with that. So we'll have to just let him walk and take our chances with a mMLE PG. I honestly want this guy off the team so bad. The contract situation is a distraction and downright stupid to even talk about to the public. I have no idea why he and his agent are doing this to a franchise that ALWAYS takes care of their players the right way.

I always hated how this guy always needs the last word in a intense jawing match with somebody. While I did think Kyrie was being a crybaby, Schroder should've had some common sense to just walk away and let Kyrie throw his temper tantrum to the refs. He knew his team needed him, but he felt like the last word was more important to him. I'm old school, and I love how Kobe, Dirk, Timmy, Manu never said a word during intense moments and let their game do the talking to shut their opponent up. I don't know, everything this kid does rubs me the wrong way and I'm praying we don't overpay this guy and hope his ass gets shipped out. If it means getting rid of KCP and Kuzma to get some players we've loss through free agency so be it. As long as Mr. Egomaniac isn't on the team next season.

I would keep Caruso, Drummond, THT, AD, LBJ. That's about it.

Pelinka has been getting so much credit for the construction of his team, some say now that he's a genius, a great talent evaluator...well...
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2918943-lakers-news-rob-pelinka-discusses-dennis-schroder-trade-kyle-kuzma-and-more
"We’re really excited about adding Dennis to our core,” Pelinka told Mike Trudell of NBA.com. "I think if you look at the Bubble and what we were able to accomplish there in retrospect, one of the core identities of our team is I felt like we played incredibly tough, competitive, gritty, defensive-focused basketball. That’s really at the core of how Dennis plays.

"He gives us offensively another elite playmaker, both on the ball in a pick-and-roll situation and off the ball as a scorer. He really just fits us perfectly. He’s been a player we’ve pursued not just in this trade deadline but before, we pursued him aggressively. But to finalize a transaction and bring him to the Lakers is satisfying."

Schröder is a need due to the uncertainty surrounding Rajon Rondo's free agency. Avery Bradley is also an unknown after opting out of the final year of his contract to seek a long-term deal.

James is excited to have Schröder on board because he's wanted to play with him for a while, according to ESPN's Brian Windhorst.

"They almost traded for him at the deadline in 2020 and they didn’t," Windhorst said on the Lowe Post podcast. "There’s been a lot of interest there for a while.

"The Lakers have wanted for a while to get–and I know they’re very different players–but Rob Pelinka has been very interested in Dennis Schroder and very interested in Derrick Rose. LeBron really likes his (Schroder’s) game. LeBron’s wanted to play with him for a while. Like I said, they almost traded for him before."

oh well, Lebron I guess was wrong about him?
Don't get me wrong, I don't like the way he trots too like he's got that swagger, scowl on his face etc but again, it's not like he is a terrible player on the court, again it's a mistake to expect him to facilitate this severely undermanned team, he has limited court vision, his passing technique is not Rondoish etc, but so does Tony Parker or Bledsoe and other scoring PGs.
So you like to keep Drummond, but how?


Either he signs a 1+1 deal and gets paid the season after, or trade everybody not named AD/LBJ (Which is not the way I would want to go) and resign him like that. It all depends on how he plays in the playoffs. If Drummond dominates and we don't capture the championship, he'll leave but if he dominates and we get the championship, it could entice him to stay and earn his place in Laker lore. I know a lot of big men are scared of the Laker big men history, but who knows Drummond might be different. He's certainly vibing with the Laker culture and environment.

I would make Drummond a priority over Schroder. IMO.
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