WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1

[ahmetmekin]

The scary thing is that I think Wiseman would be lucky to be as good as Drummond.

Look at their rookie numbers:

notice the usage difference, too, there's no way around it...Wiseman is a high usage single-level C...at no point in time has a C like this EVER been utilized in this offense.

i don't know how anyone can say Wiseman's a good fit in a free flow offense, when you have to specifically draw up plays just for him to get involved in the offense, and well the defense speaks for itself at this point.

it's just wild that people on this board know these concepts but people runnin the show don't...very disappointing.

These were the basis of the decisions, can't convince me otherwise:

- We losing Durant, lets get a young asset back in DLo
- DLo stinks and only team that would want him is Minny for KAT, let's get the best package we can
- Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green are locked in, we need to add a C, oh and a top-ranked player in draft is a C

For Wiseman selection, it should be omg he is so tall and athletic, let us get him.

[clyde21]

The scary thing is that I think Wiseman would be lucky to be as good as Drummond.

Look at their rookie numbers:

notice the usage difference, too, there's no way around it...Wiseman is a high usage single-level C...at no point in time has a C like this EVER been utilized in this offense.

i don't know how anyone can say Wiseman's a good fit in a free flow offense, when you have to specifically draw up plays just for him to get involved in the offense, and well the defense speaks for itself at this point.

it's just wild that people on this board know these concepts but people runnin the show don't...very disappointing.

These were the basis of the decisions, can't convince me otherwise:

- We losing Durant, lets get a young asset back in DLo
- DLo stinks and only team that would want him is Minny for KAT, let's get the best package we can
- Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green are locked in, we need to add a C, oh and a top-ranked player in draft is a C

Dlo was a very knee-jerk and reactionary move...it kinda worked out long term just because we ended up leveraging the fact that Towns was best friends with D-Lo so that trade happened...but the thought process behind getting DLo is trash

and yea, at this point it feels like that's the thought process behind grabbin Wise, and if that's the case, then we are screwed lol...there was some reports that they fell in love with Wiseman because of a dinner, just rumors at this point but I reaaaaalllly hope that's not the case

[HiRez]

Dlo was a very knee-jerk and reactionary move...it kinda worked out long term just because we ended up leveraging the fact that Towns was best friends with D-Lo so that trade happened...but the thought process behind getting DLo is tras

Well, I think the thought process from the beginning was to keep a max salary slot, which we wouldn't be able to add later. I don't think they ever had any serious interest in DLo as a player. But it had to be someone on the Nets and knowing there's a good chance Minnesota would deal for him made it less likely we'd be stuck with him. So from that perspective I think the move was right and it did work out as planned. Losing KD was always going to be a s*** sandwich, but they made the best s*** sandwich they could out of the ingredients.

[clyde21]

Dlo was a very knee-jerk and reactionary move...it kinda worked out long term just because we ended up leveraging the fact that Towns was best friends with D-Lo so that trade happened...but the thought process behind getting DLo is tras

Well, I think the thought process from the beginning was to keep a max salary slot, which we wouldn't be able to add later. I don't think they ever had any serious interest in DLo as a player. But it had to be someone on the Nets and knowing there's a good chance Minnesota would deal for him made it less likely we'd be stuck with him. So from that perspective I th
ink the move was right and it did work out as planned. Losing KD was always going to be a s*** sandwich, but they made the best s*** sandwich they could out of the ingredients.

max salary slot on a **** player that doesn't fit anything you do on the court is not a good decision, there was a very realistic change that Dlo would've turned into a negative asset very quickly (i'd say he was, but again, we got lucky with the Towns-DLo connection)...not to mention that fact that we gave up a future first (which could actually be a very strong one with the way things are headed now) in order to actually make it happen.

the best thing we could've done, and I said so at the time and this is not hindsight...was yes, just let Durant go, and keep Iguodala and the 25 first, Iggy could have been moved separately, heck he could've been moved for Winslow and we could've kept that contract on the books instead of Dlo's with some upside there instead.

[SAKURABA216]

This fan base has no patience and no confidence in the FO.

i would have plenty of patience if I see a young player that fits seamlessly into this scheme and the personnel...but I don't not have patience to develop a single-level C who doesn't fit this personnel or motion scheme.

that's the difference.

Well, Slater is now reporting that he is due to have surgery this week and will miss 4-6 weeks minimum which stinks for his offseason development but I see him as a more dynamic player than you do. If he turns out to be a Drummond type of C then I’ll agree that they whiffed on the draft but I think the team including Curry and Green see more in him. He already has a nice shot for a young big and when the game slows down and is he is more reacting instead of thinking he will be a plus on defense.

It's been reported that Wiseman will be training with Kevin Garnett this off-season and if KG lets him stare into the black opal he is guaranteed to become a superstar by the beginning of next season.

[and1GS]

i would have plenty of patience if I see a young player that fits seamlessly into this scheme and the personnel...but I don't not have patience to develop a single-level C who doesn't fit this personnel or motion scheme.

that's the difference.

Well, Slater is now reporting that he is due to have surgery this week and will miss 4-6 weeks minimum which stinks for his offseason development but I see him as a more dynamic player than you do. If he turns out to be a Drummond type of C then I’ll agree that they whiffed on the draft but I think the team including Curry and Green see more in him. He already has a nice shot for a young big and when the game slows down and is he is more reacting instead of thinking he will be a plus on defense.

It's been reported that Wiseman will be training with Kevin Garnett this off-season and if KG lets him stare into the black opal he is guaranteed to become a superstar by the beginning of next season.

This **** has me dying

[Mylie10]

Well, Slater is now reporting that he is due to have surgery this week and will miss 4-6 weeks minimum which stinks for his offseason development but I see him as a more dynamic player than you do. If he turns out to be a Drummond type of C then I’ll agree that they whiffed on the draft but I think the team including Curry and Green see more in him. He already has a nice shot for a young big and when the game slows down and is he is more reacting instead of thinking he will be a plus on defense.

It's been reported that Wiseman will be training with Kevin Garnett this off-season and if KG lets him stare into the black opal he is guaranteed to become a superstar by the beginning of next season.

This **** has me dying

Same!! Especially “Black Opal”

[EvanZ]

In all likelihood Wiseman will have a JVal type career arc. In 10 years he'll be very underrated. LOL

[cpower]

two things I dont like about Wiseman already
1. his low bbiq
2. his willingness to score but not interested to do anything else
Just look at how well we are playing small ball and he just does not fit into the group..he needs to learn from Looney, get into the motion offense then he can grow other part of his offense. Right now its a wasted season for him.

[clyde21]

honestly...its a not a coincidence that Steph pops off and this offense looks way better every time Wiseman is out

our offensive ratings with and without Wise are wild...and it's not all just because he's a rook.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Dlo was a very knee-jerk and reactionary move...it kinda worked out long term just because we ended up leveraging the fact that Towns was best friends with D-Lo so that trade happened...but the thought process behind getting DLo is tras

Well, I think the thought process from the beginning was to keep a max salary slot, which we wouldn't be able to add later. I don't think they ever had any serious interest in DLo as a player. But it had to be someone on the Nets and knowing there's a good chance Minnesota would deal for him made it less likely we'd be stuck with him. So from that perspective I th
ink the move was right and it did work out as planned. Losing KD was always going to be a s*** sandwich, but they made the best s*** sandwich they could out of the ingredients.

max salary slot on a **** player that doesn't fit anything you do on the court is not a good decision, there was a very realistic change that Dlo would've turned into a negative asset very quickly (i'd say he was, but again, we got lucky with the Towns-DLo connection)...not to mention that fact that we gave up a future first (which could actually be a very strong one with the way things are headed now) in order to actually make it happen.

the best thing we could've done, and I said so at the time and this is not hindsight...was yes, just let Durant go, and keep Iguodala and the 25 first, Iggy could have been moved separately, heck he could've been moved for Winslow and we could've kept that contract on the books instead of Dlo's with some upside there instead.

Myers turning KD leaving into Wiggins and the Wolves pick(one of the more valuable assets in the league) was a masterful move. You were proven wrong in your assessment but your response, rather than admitting you were wrong and that Bob Myers is better at this than you is that Myers got lucky?

The "best thing we could've done" is exactly what Myers did and nobody on this board saw it coming. Which makes sense. He's far more switched on to what's possible than any of us and that shouldn't be surprising because he has access and gets paid lots of money to do this.

The fact you still can't acknowledge this is embarrassing for you.

[whatisacenter]

the myopic takes on Wiseman are endless on this board.

[and1GS]

the myopic takes on Wiseman are endless on this board.

I am so sick on and1'ing your posts.

Can you go on a negativity bender so I'm able to break the cycle?

[clyde21]

Well, I think the thought process from the beginning was to keep a max salary slot, which we wouldn't be able to add later. I don't think they ever had any serious interest in DLo as a player. But it had to be someone on the Nets and knowing there's a good chance Minnesota would deal for him made it less likely we'd be stuck with him. So from that perspective I th
ink the move was right and it did work out as planned. Losing KD was always going to be a s*** sandwich, but they made the best s*** sandwich they could out of the ingredients.

max salary slot on a **** player that doesn't fit anything you do on the court is not a good decision, there was a very realistic change that Dlo would've turned into a negative asset very quickly (i'd say he was, but again, we got lucky with the Towns-DLo connection)...not to mention that fact that we gave up a future first (which could actually be a very strong one with the way things are headed now) in order to actually make it happen.

the best thing we could've done, and I said so at the time and this is not hindsight...was yes, just let Durant go, and keep Iguodala and the 25 first, Iggy could have been moved separately, heck he could've been moved for Winslow and we could've kept that contract on the books instead of Dlo's with some upside there instead.

Myers turning KD leaving into Wiggins and the Wolves pick(one of the more valuable assets in the league) was a masterful move. You were proven wrong in your assessment but your response, rather than admitting you were wrong and that Bob Myers is better at this than you is that Myers got lucky?

The "best thing we could've done" is exactly what Myers did and nobody on this board saw it coming. Which makes sense. He's far more switched on to what's possible than any of us and that shouldn't be surprising because he has access and gets paid lots of money to do this.

The fact you still can't acknowledge this is embarrassing for you.

lmao, he didn't turn KD into Wiggy/Wolves pick, turned KD, OUR 2025 first pick, AND IGUODALA/WINSLOW into Wiggy/Wolves pick...we've had this discussion many times before and every single time I have to hold your hand thru this, you're the last one that should be talking about anything being embarrassing.

"MaStErFuL"...I cracked up real talk.

the Myers circle jerk on this board is just outright comical at this point lmao.

[HiRez]

max salary slot on a **** player that doesn't fit anything you do on the court is not a good decision, there was a very realistic change that Dlo would've turned into a negative asset very quickly (i'd say he was, but again, we got lucky with the Towns-DLo connection)...not to mention that fact that we gave up a future first (which could actually be a very strong one with the way things are headed now) in order to actually make it happen.

the best thing we could've done, and I said so at the time and this is not hindsight...was yes, just let Durant go, and keep Iguodala and the 25 first, Iggy could have been moved separately, heck he could've been moved for Winslow and we could've kept that contract on the books instead of Dlo's with some upside there instead.

Myers turning KD leaving into Wiggins and the Wolves pick(one of the more valuable assets in the league) was a masterful move. You were proven wrong in your assessment but your response, rather than admitting you were wrong and that Bob Myers is better at this than you is that Myers got lucky?

The "best thing we could've done" is exactly what Myers did and nobody on this board saw it coming. Which makes sense. He's far more switched on to what's possible than any of us and that shouldn't be surprising because he has access and gets paid lots of money to do this.

The fact you still can't acknowledge this is embarrassing for you.

lmao, he didn't turn KD into Wiggy/Wolves pick, turned KD, OUR 2025 first pick, AND IGUODALA/WINSLOW into Wiggy/Wolves pick...we've had this discussion many times before and every single time I have to hold your hand thru this, you're the last one that should be talking about anything being embarrassing.

"MaStErFuL"...I cracked up real talk.

the Myers circle jerk on this board is just outright comical at this point lmao.

There's a decent chance that Minnesota pick is going to be worth more than Winslow, our 2025, and an old Iguodala combined though. Remains to be seen.

[clyde21]

Myers turning KD leaving into Wiggins and the Wolves pick(one of the more valuable assets in the league) was a masterful move. You were proven wrong in your assessment but your response, rather than admitting you were wrong and that Bob Myers is better at this than you is that Myers got lucky?

The "best thing we could've done" is exactly what Myers did and nobody on this board saw it coming. Which makes sense. He's far more switched on to what's possible than any of us and that shouldn't be surprising because he has access and gets paid lots of money to do this.

The fact you still can't acknowledge this is embarrassing for you.

lmao, he didn't turn KD into Wiggy/Wolves pick, turned KD, OUR 2025 first pick, AND IGUODALA/WINSLOW into Wiggy/Wolves pick...we've had this discussion many times before and every single time I have to hold your hand thru this, you're the last one that should be talking about anything being embarrassing.

"MaStErFuL"...I cracked up real talk.

the Myers circle jerk on this board is just outright comical at this point lmao.

There's a decent chance that Minnesota pick is going to be worth more than Winslow, our 2025, and an old Iguodala combined though. Remains to be seen.

the Minny pick is the only thing we have going for us out of the collection of **** moves the FO has put together the last few seasons.

[killmongrel]

Wiseman looks lke he's out till September. So how does that change things for the FO. Are they stuck with him or do they now have more incentive to move him?

[EvanZ]

Wiseman looks lke he's out till September. So how does that change things for the FO. Are they stuck with him or do they now have more incentive to move him?

Other teams have less incentive to take him.

[GQ Hot Dog]

max salary slot on a **** player that doesn't fit anything you do on the court is not a good decision, there was a very realistic change that Dlo would've turned into a negative asset very quickly (i'd say he was, but again, we got lucky with the Towns-DLo connection)...not to mention that fact that we gave up a future first (which could actually be a very strong one with the way things are headed now) in order to actually make it happen.

the best thing we could've done, and I said so at the time and this is not hindsight...was yes, just let Durant go, and keep Iguodala and the 25 first, Iggy could have been moved separately, heck he could've been moved for Winslow and we could've kept that contract on the books instead of Dlo's with some upside there instead.

Myers turning KD leaving into Wiggins and the Wolves pick(one of the more valuable assets in the league) was a masterful move. You were proven wrong in your assessment but your response, rather than admitting you were wrong and that Bob Myers is better at this than you is that Myers got lucky?

The "best thing we could've done" is exactly what Myers did and nobody on this board saw it coming. Which makes sense. He's far more switched on to what's possible than any of us and that shouldn't be surprising because he has access and gets paid lots of money to do this.

The fact you still can't acknowledge this is embarrassing for you.

lmao, he didn't turn KD into Wiggy/Wolves pick, turned KD, OUR 2025 first pick, AND IGUODALA/WINSLOW into Wiggy/Wolves pick...we've had this discussion many times before and every single time I have to hold your hand thru this, you're the last one that should be talking about anything being embarrassing.

"MaStErFuL"...I cracked up real talk.

the Myers circle jerk on this board is just outright comical at this point lmao.

I would rather have Wiggins than Iguodala(or your make believe acquisition of the perpetually injured Winslow) and our 2025. Wiggins is more important to where we are now than either Iguodala or a 2025 1st. I refuse to factor in Wiggins contract when we're so far over the cap that subtracting his deal still means we're over. The only way Wiggins contract means anything is if it keeps us from resigning someone already on the roster.

Which means the Wolves pick is extra value. The icing on the cake. Theft. Myers won that trade which is what made the D'lo signing such a stroke of brilliance. Myers ftw, clyde ftl.

[Old_Blue]

Looks like Wiseman underwent a meniscus repair instead of removal of tissue. Five months of recovery time makes you wonder what the hell else was found in his knee though.

"The Warriors, who confirmed that Wiseman will miss the remainder of the 2020/21 season, will supply an update for Wiseman’s recovery timeline in September. The club expects him to return in ’21/22."