Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3

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[Beenie]

I love when people complain about a front office that put together a team that got to the NBA Championship Game last year. In the modern NBA, no front office can continuously maintain a championship team.

Truth is that the FO deserves credit and criticism.

Getting Jimmy, drafting Bam n Herro, trading spare parts for Crowder n Iggy, and finding Duncan n Nunn were all terrific maneuvers and deserve to be celebrated.

Not pulling the trigger on CP3, not retaining Crowder, resigning Meyers, and missing out on cost effective FAs that fit the team like Grant and Wood deserve to be lamented.

[Kobewade11]

Truth is that the FO deserves credit and criticism.

Getting Jimmy, drafting Bam n Herro, trading spare parts for Crowder n Iggy, and finding Duncan n Nunn were all terrific maneuvers and deserve to be celebrated.

Not pulling the trigger on CP3, not retaining Crowder, resigning Meyers, and missing out on cost effective FAs that fit the team like Grant and Wood deserve to be lamented.

They had Morris and he backed out, then those guys were gone. Its not always as simple as saying they missed out. Grant also had motives for signing in Detroit that we weren’t able to offer.

[twix2500]

That is because Dragic squeezed out the last of his ability to make a playoff run. I mentioned this during that run, Dragic was playing balls out because it may have been his last chance to shine on the big stage. It was something to be praised but not expected to be duplicated

Not sure who I was replying to. Forgot to hit reply button. I am getting old smh

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[MHeat0279]

Is it odd that I'm starting to get the same vibes about Butler in Miami as I did at the end with Butler in Chicago, the FO just refusing to build around him because he's not your typical 25-30 ppg star. Better hope Butler signs an extension this offseason or he may have thoughts on leaving after next season(4th year is a player option). Butler's type of game can age well deep into his 30s if he wants to play that long.

It wouldn't surprise me if Butler ends up back with Thibodeau in New York at some point. Don't underestimate their bond although he's built a bond with Spoelstra also. Thibodeau had Butler's back when Chicago's FO(Gar Foreman) threatened to have him benched(which Thibodeau didn't do) for that year that Butler bet on himself in Chicago. Playing for Thibodeau wasn't an option after Philly, it is now and Miami has just went 2 offseasons since adding Butler without really adding anything of significant value(other then Oladipo who basically forced his way there like Butler did).

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If Butler moves on in a year, most of you will be happy to see the franchise turned over to Herro, the guy who can't be traded for better win now plays in Butler's prime. You did see Butler liked Harden saying he'd be good going to Miami... Butler knows what it would take to get him and Miami didn't do it.

Can't wait to see the next batch of bad contracts given out by this FO, I am very surprised how bad this FO has been in the last 2 years.

You must be fun at parties.

Probably more fun then watching this team.

Sorry for being tired watching Butler just carrying bad rosters to the playoffs with the FO just flat out refusing to really trade any of their assets to get him some help. He did it in Chicago, Minnesota and now trying to do that in Miami.

Here's a harsh reality...
LA got LeBron, a year later they traded nearly all they're assets for AD and won the championship and are the favorites when healthy for the next few years, Miami had a chance to add Harden to Butler and Bam but Miami refused to do what it took(trade all the good youth) to get Harden and now they're where they're at, looking like a below .500 roster plus J.Butler. We got to see how bad this team was without Butler yet the FO still has done nearly nothing to make this team better for the next few years.

Front office lost it way before than 2 years ago, we were done onced we renewed Spoelstra's contract.

[AirP.]

Imagine being this fanbase trying to convince yourself that you didn't just win the trade you fleeced the other team to mask that it wasn't a bad idea to flip an under contract LeVert for Oladipo and then ending up with what they got. If they wanted Olynyk in FA I'm pretty sure think they could have easily signed him this summer.

It’s clear that the Rockets landed the best player in the trade, and Olynyk is sure to cost less than Oladipo this summer as well, to add insult to injury. But although the Heat have appeared to have gotten the short end of the stick in the trade due to health concerns, they secured a victory of sorts, as explained by Sirius XM and NBA TV analyst Sam Mitchell.

Mitchell himself said this...

“This helps you determine if you’re Miami how much is Victor Oladipo worth. They may have made this move because they’ll get a discount.

and then without knowing the reason why...

And the fact that they went on a four game road trip and they had to leave him at home, that tells you he isn’t playing no time soon. Even LeBron James not playing, he traveled with the team.

Without the context of Oladipo getting hurt right before the 4 game roadtrip and that he's getting a second opinion and to see if he may cause more damage playing with pain.

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[NBADraft2003]

I love when people complain about a front office that put together a team that got to the NBA Championship Game last year. In the modern NBA, no front office can continuously maintain a championship team.

Truth is that the FO deserves credit and criticism.

Getting Jimmy, drafting Bam n Herro, trading spare parts for Crowder n Iggy, and finding Duncan n Nunn were all terrific maneuvers and deserve to be celebrated.

Not pulling the trigger on CP3, not retaining Crowder, resigning Meyers, and missing out on cost effective FAs that fit the team like Grant and Wood deserve to be lamented.

A lot of hindsight on the criticisms but I agree, front office needs to be somewhat criticized.

1. CP3- The asking price and the value was NOT there that summer, looked like the worst contract in the game or at least one of them. Easy to say should’ve, could’ve, would’ve two years later.

2. Jae- Definitely a miss but I feel like you guys wouldn’t be complaining if Giannis didn’t resign either.

3. Meyers- Meh.

4. Grant/Wood-Some more hindsight 20/20 ish. I highly doubt people that Jermai and Christian would be this when they hit free agency but at the end of the day, it is THEIR decision to go where they want even if we were in on them. We don’t know how hard they went after them, but they tried to upgrade that 4 spot in getting Marcus so I’m assuming they went after them too.

[NBADraft2003]

Another thing, Spo is one of the best coaches in the game without question. He has his flaws just like every other coach in the league, I would LOVE to see this fanbase with somebody like Steve Kerr and his flaws. Y’all would lose your minds.

[Beenie]

Truth is that the FO deserves credit and criticism.

Getting Jimmy, drafting Bam n Herro, trading spare parts for Crowder n Iggy, and finding Duncan n Nunn were all terrific maneuvers and deserve to be celebrated.

Not pulling the trigger on CP3, not retaining Crowder, resigning Meyers, and missing out on cost effective FAs that fit the team like Grant and Wood deserve to be lamented.

They had Morris and he backed out, then those guys were gone. Its not always as simple as saying they missed out. Grant also had motives for signing in Detroit that we weren’t able to offer.

The harsh reality in the sales business is that when you miss out on a sell, it's a failure.

Compete conjecture but I assume Morris partially resigned with the Clippers to be near his brother/family who also plays/lives in LA (LAK).

Whatever his actual reasons were, (probably also liked his chances of winning), bottom line, Mia failed to seal the deal and went into the season starting Harkless at PF. That was a disastrous swing anyway you slice it for the FO.

I'm aware of Grant's motives. It's impossible to gauge exactly the extent to which his social and cultural predilections for Detroit would have stacked up against Mia if he were offered the same contract from the Heat, hypothetically.

[Beenie]

I love when people complain about a front office that put together a team that got to the NBA Championship Game last year. In the modern NBA, no front office can continuously maintain a championship team.

Truth is that the FO deserves credit and criticism.

Getting Jimmy, drafting Bam n Herro, trading spare parts for Crowder n Iggy, and finding Duncan n Nunn were all terrific maneuvers and deserve to be celebrated.

Not pulling the trigger on CP3, not retaining Crowder, resigning Meyers, and missing out on cost effective FAs that fit the team like Grant and Wood deserve to be lamented.

A lot of hindsight on the criticisms but I agree, front office needs to be somewhat criticized.

1. CP3- The asking price and the value was NOT there that summer, looked like the worst contract in the game or at least one of them. Easy to say should’ve, could’ve, would’ve two years later.

2. Jae- Definitely a miss but I feel like you guys wouldn’t be complaining if Giannis didn’t resign either.

3. Meyers- Meh.

4. Grant/Wood-Some more hindsight 20/20 ish. I highly doubt people that Jermai and Christian would be this when they hit free agency but at the end of the day, it is THEIR decision to go where they want even if we were in on them. We don’t know how hard they went after them, but they tried to upgrade that 4 spot in getting Marcus so I’m assuming they went after them too.

The 20/20 narrative works both ways and if Mia's transactional mistakes/misses are gonna get swept under the rug using this logic then their successful maneuvers ought not be overstated but rather chalked up as luck/serendipity or whatever.

I just would rather call it how it actually went.

[Wiltside]

Ironic that we lamented not getting LMA, but imagine if we did? We’d have our 2 prized midseason acquisitions out injured.

Are people really missing Kelly Olynyk? Look, he was solid for us and we could use him at the moment. But we’re a .500 team with him and a .500 team without him. He’s putting up numbers on a garbage team. It’s like if a tree falls in the woods and nobody hears it, does it even make a sound?

I had 3.5 years of Olynyk. I’m not going to be swayed by a 10 game sample size. He’s shooting 59%, he’s got hot at the right time. Contract year.

It’s unfortunate what happened with Vic. We were turning the corner. Our defense looked much better and offensively, he was just starting to get comfortable.

With the CP3 stuff, that contract was considered amongst the worst in the league when OKC traded for it. Anyone pining for Paul is using 20/20 hindsight vision. Nobody would’ve surrendered a run at 2021 FA for old man Paul at the time.

Who knew he had this much left in the tank?

[3ballbomber]

yep, imagine acquiring both Dipo & LA

Just not our season. Hopefully, somehow, we can turn things around!

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[abark]

I love when people complain about a front office that put together a team that got to the NBA Championship Game last year. In the modern NBA, no front office can continuously maintain a championship team.

Much like everyone else outside of Miami, I think the bubble had a lot to do with their success. No normal road playoff games helped Miami's younger players greatly.

But we were still a better team last year, even before the Crowder/Iggy trade.

We were one of the very best 3 point% teams all year last season. Now we're near the bottom. Robinson and Herro have not come close to matching what they did last season there.

It has taken a hot streak for Duncan to still be 4% worse than last year. And Herro has gone from 39% as a rookie to well 33.5%. Calling that below average is a compliment. Seriously, why are nearly all his 3 point shots short now?

If we are going to run small ball we have to hit 3's. It's not going to work when we literally only have one rotation player shooting above average from 3. And even that guy is a severely limited 3 point specialist that is having a dissapointing season there for him.

[3ballbomber]

Will Bam be saying this for the entire season

don't worry about the team, how about you stay consistent w/ your aggression & mindset. The team will follow your lead. . .

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[3ballbomber]

That is because Dragic squeezed out the last of his ability to make a playoff run. I mentioned this during that run, Dragic was playing balls out because it may have been his last chance to shine on the big stage. It was something to be praised but not expected to be duplicated

He was absolutely out there to get it! it was clearly indicative of how depressed he was, failing to try & play through the foot injury. It was his chance & was physically unable to. @ his age & injuries at this late stage of his career I'm sure he felt it was a completely wasted opportunity.

I hope he can be healthy throughout the PO's so he has a chance to redeem himself. I know he gone bring it!

[Bishop45]

Heat definitely could've gotten Harden, the theory that we couldn't is silly imo

Bam + Herro, or Herro+ Robinson, Achuiwa, Nunn, Kelly/Iggy; both would have been much better than what the Rockets got. And both would've been steals for the Heat.

Potential CP trade too

Heat wanted to hold on to the young guys, and I can't blame them too much-- that's what the fanbase wanted.

[eddieheatfan]

Will Bam be saying this for the entire season

don't worry about the team, how about you stay consistent w/ your aggression & mindset. The team will follow your lead. . .

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its pretty obvious for anyone that have eyes that can see. like someone else already posted its not our year this time around and i feel that a rebuild is in the cards when the season is over because this lineup isnt cutting it

[BlueHeat]

cant believe we didnt wanna give up herro for harden

[puppa bear]

For both the CP and the Harden trades the FO wanted to have their cake and eat it too.

For Harden trying to keep one too many of the youngsters was the hold-up.

For CP they wanted to get too much back from OKC. For us it was getting the picks back to make a run at another trade, and for them it was getting something of value for someone they knew they could rehab value for across the season. If we had a deal where we got the 2023 pick pack then the trigger should have been pulled on that. We always would have had the ability to move CP if Giannis wanted us. And DWade knew how much CP had left in the tank, he was publicly making the pitch to get him to Miami to play with Jimmy.


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[twix2500]

The Heat never had the assets the Rockets wanted for the Harden deal. The Rockets wanted all the youth and draft picks. Primarily the Rockets wanted draft picks. Heat were willing to give up Herro and others that just wasn't enough. Regardless how you felt about our trade pieces Houston didn't want it.

The CP3 deal, the Heat thought they had that in the bag till OKC jumped in. That was a lost game of chicken. The fight was over the picks. Players were agreed on.

Heat did the right thing in regards to Lowry. Heat should make a major push to sign him this summer.

Oladipo trades appears to back fired until further notice

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