As a Scoring Point Guard, Steph Has No Serious Rival

[The_Hater]

Can we just call him the shooting guard he is, even if it means he isnt top 3 all time at his position?t.

Just because the skills required to be a top NBA PG have changed the past 10 years doesn’t make him a SG. He has an elite handle, elite passing skills and a high bball IQ. Sounds like a PG to me but they’re all looking for their own shot and their own offense more then they did in previous eras because the game (and the rules) have changed.

Lillard is still a PG. Kemba is still a PG. Trae Young is still a PG. Doncic is still a PG. Harden, even when listed at SG, was generally the Rockets PG and is now the Nets PG.

It seems now that you’re only considered a tradional PG when you can’t shoot straight. Like Rubio, Payton or Rondo.

[clyde21]

Can we just call him the shooting guard he is, even if it means he isnt top 3 all time at his position?

And i still have him leading Dame and Kyrie who, just like him, are more shooting guard than point. Id still rather have those two in the final 2 mins of a playoff game thought.

why would we call him something he's not? he's not a shooting guard. he's a PG that plays off ball half the time because he's also happens to be an elite off-ball player...if anything he's a combo guard, but he's not a SG

and he would actually be ranked as just as high on the SG list as he would on the PG list...so, yea.

Jordan, Kobe, Wade......ummmmmm, no

so...4th best SG all time?

and I'd take Steph over Wade but that's just me, and 3-4 more years like this one I'd take him ahead of Kobe, too.

[clyde21]

Threads such as this one are how and why certain players get overrated.

Steph has a 100 page exposed thread

if anything Steph has been one of the most underrated superstars we've ever seen

[clyde21]

I don't think there's a big drop off between Steph and Dame at this point.

Dame's best season (and this is just RS) would ranked as Steph's 5th best in terms of TS%, and you can go on and on...Dame is a great player, but every time you guys try to make this argument ya'll lose...stop it

this nonsense should have stopped after the 19 WCF finals after Dame got 4-0'd by Steph.

that's because Curry has played with the likes of Durant/Thompson/Draymond

lol Durant was injured

and Steph averaged 37/8/7 that series. it was because of...Steph.

ya'll makin me talk smack about Dame who's my boy and an Oaktown guy, I don't want to do this.

[MindState]

Top 10 all time player. Dont care who you take off, but someone has to go.

[Kobe187]

I don't think there's a big drop off between Steph and Dame at this point.

Dame needs to have both feet set squarely to release and score, Curry pops of much quicker from various angles, much harder to guard Curry.

[Duke4life831]

hmmmm no mention of Westbrook or Jerry West.....West could shoot just as well only we have very little footage and no 3pt line.....Westbrook is an equally capable scorer although he scores in a different way...also similar game to Mahmoud Abdul Rauf although coaches didn't allow PGs to play in this fashion before now

Westbrook? Westbrook doesn’t deserve to be anywhere close to this conversation. To say he is an equally capable as a scorer as Curry is laughable.

[Kobe187]

Top 10 all time player. Dont care who you take off, but someone has to go.

Top 15 maybe.

[Cavsfansince84]

Threads such as this one are how and why certain players get overrated.

Steph has a 100 page exposed thread

if anything Steph has been one of the most underrated superstars we've ever seen

It goes in cycles. People were saying the same thing about Harden before he went to the Nets just this year and the same thing about KD before the 2017 finals happened. Steph deserves a lot of credit for proving himself this year with a terrible roster but I'm not sold at all for him being generally underrated since 2016. He's gotten criticism at times(and that's part of being an nba player) but he's almost always been listed as a top 3 player since 2015. Along with 2016 when he was getting threads similar to this one being made about him on a daily basis for an entire season.

[clyde21]

Lots of people focusing on just his 3pt shooting but fail to realize that Steph is an absolutely deadly finisher in all areas of the floor. I mean just look at these numbers from this season vs Dame in comparison:

Rim: 64.7% vs 61.9%
3-10ft: 57.5% vs 32%
10-16ft: 53.3% vs 43.2%
16-<3pt 48.6% vs 46.5%
3pt: 42.4% vs 37.9%

He has him beat in all areas of the floor. Honestly if you removed Draymond from the team and put Steph in a more traditional playmaking role, his assist numbers would be up there with the best of them as well. Just look at the 14 and 15 season before Draymonds rise, he averaged 8.5ast with a 39.9%ast and a 7.7ast with a 38.6%ast respectively.

+10000

people look at Steph's assist numbers (which are still elite for his usage/role) and assume he's not a top tier PG...but he is, he already showed this back in the Mark Jackson era when he was playing a much more traditional PG role...the reason he doesn't have the counting assist numbers is because he's asked to play off-ball a lot more than traditional PGs...because...well...he also happens to be the best off-ball player we've ever seen and those guys aren't

[NO-KG-AI]

Might still take Magic just because of how he could physically impose his will on games and force offense even when games got real ugly and nasty. But yea, his scoring and the portability of it is insane.


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[WarriorGM]

Threads such as this one are how and why certain players get overrated.

Steph has a 100 page exposed thread

if anything Steph has been one of the most underrated superstars we've ever seen

It goes in cycles. People were saying the same thing about Harden before he went to the Nets just this year and the same thing about KD before the 2017 finals happened. Steph deserves a lot of credit for proving himself this year with a terrible roster but I'm not sold at all for him being generally underrated since 2016. He's gotten criticism at times(and that's part of being an nba player) but he's almost always been listed as a top 3 player since 2015. Along with 2016 when he was getting threads similar to this one being made about him on a daily basis for an entire season.

Steph has an argument for having produced the greatest consecutive 5-year stretch of all-time of any player's career. After Jordan's first threepeat you had people proclaiming him as the greatest player ever. Using that as comparison it is actually strange that Curry hasn't received the same level of praise.

Top 30? An insult. Top 20? Still an insult.

[phanman]

Lots of people focusing on just his 3pt shooting but fail to realize that Steph is an absolutely deadly finisher in all areas of the floor. I mean just look at these numbers from this season vs Dame in comparison:

Rim: 64.7% vs 61.9%
3-10ft: 57.5% vs 32%
10-16ft: 53.3% vs 43.2%
16-<3pt 48.6% vs 46.5%
3pt: 42.4% vs 37.9%

He has him beat in all areas of the floor. Honestly if you removed Draymond from the team and put Steph in a more traditional playmaking role, his assist numbers would be up there with the best of them as well. Just look at the 14 and 15 season before Draymonds rise, he averaged 8.5ast with a 39.9%ast and a 7.7ast with a 38.6%ast respectively.

+10000

people look at Steph's assist numbers (which are still elite for his usage/role) and assume he's not a top tier PG...but he is, he already showed this back in the Mark Jackson era when he was playing a much more traditional PG role...the reason he doesn't have the counting assist numbers is because he's asked to play off-ball a lot more than traditional PGs...because...well...he also happens to be the best off-ball player we've ever seen and those guys aren't

To add to this, it's also to maximize a strength in Draymond's playmaking abilities while masking his inefficiencies to do pretty much anything off ball except set screens.

Honestly Steph is such a selfless superstar that even with the roster they have currently he's still only taking 20.6FGA a game with a 33.1%USG. To his credit it seems the team and he himself have realized the urgency in improving their seeding as he has definitely ramped it up in his 8 games(5-3) since returning from his injury:

38.9pts, 6.6reb, 4.6ast, 0.9stl on 55/49/91 with 22.1FGA or 75.1%TS

[Cavsfansince84]

Steph has an argument for having produced the greatest consecutive 5-year stretch of all-time of any player's career. After Jordan's first threepeat you had people proclaiming him as the greatest player ever. Using that as comparison it is actually strange that Curry hasn't received the same level of praise.

Top 30? An insult. Top 20? Still an insult.

Ok. You have your opinions and other people have their's. Stating an opinion doesn't mean others are obligated to agree with it. Saying he deserves the same recognition that MJ had in 93 seems out there though. MJ dominated the league in so many ways from 88-93. 6 scoring titles, 3 mvps(possibly deserving 4-5), 1 dpoy, 3 finals mvps, etc. Steph dominated to some degree but not to the degree which MJ did and he didn't have a guy of KD's caliber playing next to him either while missing a lot of games/series. I'm not here for a debate about how Steph's best 5 yr stretch compares to other guys all time though. That would be a thread to put on the pc board.

[Rodwilliams]

why would we call him something he's not? he's not a shooting guard. he's a PG that plays off ball half the time because he's also happens to be an elite off-ball player...if anything he's a combo guard, but he's not a SG

and he would actually be ranked as just as high on the SG list as he would on the PG list...so, yea.

Jordan, Kobe, Wade......ummmmmm, no

Kobe is debatable, but time is on Curry's side. Curry is ahead of Wade already..

Cocaine is a hell of a drug if you believe this. Nowhere near Wade or Kobe level.

[Rodwilliams]

Please dont mention him in same breath with the all time great guards like Kobe or MJ. Steph was 1 dimensional in contrast to Kobe and MJ who played lockdown defense as well.

That's like saying don't mention Kobe and MJ in the same breath as Curry because they didn't and probably never could shoot the three like Curry does. Kobe and MJ are based on the same model. Curry is a truer original.

When it comes to three pointers Jordan or Kobe shouldn’t be mentioned with Curry but when it comes to anything else Curry name shouldn’t be mentioned with Jordan and Kobe.

[Rodwilliams]

why would we call him something he's not? he's not a shooting guard. he's a PG that plays off ball half the time because he's also happens to be an elite off-ball player...if anything he's a combo guard, but he's not a SG

and he would actually be ranked as just as high on the SG list as he would on the PG list...so, yea.

Jordan, Kobe, Wade......ummmmmm, no

so...4th best SG all time?

and I'd take Steph over Wade but that's just me, and 3-4 more years like this one I'd take him ahead of Kobe, too.

This is where you mess up my guy. Curry is nowhere near Wade or Kobe level yet. Great player and he still has a chance to get to their level but he’s not there yet.

[clyde21]

Jordan, Kobe, Wade......ummmmmm, no

so...4th best SG all time?

and I'd take Steph over Wade but that's just me, and 3-4 more years like this one I'd take him ahead of Kobe, too.

This is where you mess up my guy. Curry is nowhere near Wade or Kobe level yet. Great player and he still has a chance to get to their level but he’s not there yet.

why isn't Steph on D-Wade level yet?

[BIGJ1ER]

I don't think there's a big drop off between Steph and Dame at this point.

Curry is 10x the player Lillard is off the ball. And in terms of shooting, Dame is just an imitator.

Dame has half court buzzer beaters in the PLAYOFFS. I wouldn’t call that imitating.

Please look up Dame's playoff stats vs Stephs to entertain yourself

[Marrrcuss]

Curry is 10x the player Lillard is off the ball. And in terms of shooting, Dame is just an imitator.

Dame has half court buzzer beaters in the PLAYOFFS. I wouldn’t call that imitating.

Please look up Dame's playoff stats vs Stephs to entertain yourself

Ahh, giving steph credit for the whole damn team, huh?

As if GSW didnt have way more talent.... yet steph still never dared to TRY and guard Dame