As a Scoring Point Guard, Steph Has No Serious Rival

[Colbinii]

so...4th best SG all time?

and I'd take Steph over Wade but that's just me, and 3-4 more years like this one I'd take him ahead of Kobe, too.

This is where you mess up my guy. Curry is nowhere near Wade or Kobe level yet. Great player and he still has a chance to get to their level but he’s not there yet.

why isn't Steph on D-Wade level yet?

Because Steph wasn't in his prime during the 2000s decade, obviously.

[dygaction]

Jordan, Kobe, Wade......ummmmmm, no

Kobe is debatable, but time is on Curry's side. Curry is ahead of Wade already..

Cocaine is a hell of a drug if you believe this. Nowhere near Wade or Kobe level.

Wade is a borderline top 20 player, but Curry is top 15, and many have him in top 10. He was the corner stone of the most dominant dynasty of a 5 year span. ESPN expert panel had Curry at 13 and Wade 26. I think Wade can be slightly higher but you need to wake up if you think he was better than Curry. Kobe and Wade were not at the same level, either.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29105681/ranking-top-74-nba-players-all-nos-40-11

[BIGJ1ER]

Dame has half court buzzer beaters in the PLAYOFFS. I wouldn’t call that imitating.

Please look up Dame's playoff stats vs Stephs to entertain yourself

Ahh, giving steph credit for the whole damn team, huh?

As if GSW didnt have way more talent.... yet steph still never dared to TRY and guard Dame

I like that you're comparing defence here, when dame is an abysmal defender and curry is atleast an average defender for his position.

I mean you can use the talent argument, but then what's the argument for this season where steph is still completely outplaying Dame with one of the worst rosters in the NBA?

At some point, people will have to accept steph is just simply superior to Dame. Dame is great, there are levels to greatness however.

[dygaction]

Please look up Dame's playoff stats vs Stephs to entertain yourself

Ahh, giving steph credit for the whole damn team, huh?

As if GSW didnt have way more talent.... yet steph still never dared to TRY and guard Dame

I like that you're comparing defence here, when dame is an abysmal defender and curry is atleast an average defender for his position.

I mean you can use the talent argument, but then what's the argument for this season where steph is still completely outplaying Dame with one of the worst rosters in the NBA?

At some point, people will have to accept steph is just simply superior to Dame. Dame is great, there are levels to greatness however.

There is a chance Steph and Dame will have that play in game. If Steph wins that, the debate would be over forever.

[Lockdown504090]

Even I didn't think he could reach heights like this. He's averaging 31/6/6 on 66 TS% even though he's got the worst spacing in the league and a very mediocre/terrible offense without him. That efficiency is ridiculous no matter what team you're on. But him putting up those numbers on this team destroys any narratives about him being a system player. Sometimes I feel like he isn't dynamic enough and he relies on his three-point shooting too much. That might even be true. But when you're that impossibly good at shooting and your release is that quick it doesn't matter.

Anyways, that's my TED Talk.

From a scoring standpoint he is and has for the most part bettered Harden most of his career. No one compares to pure scoring from the guard spot. Not a hot take; just a fact backed up with counting stats and a career TS% of .626.

To me Harden is a Shooting Guard. Also, I think Harden's edge in the ability to reliably generate great offense for himself no matter what makes him a slightly better scorer.

what makes harden a shooting guard and curry a pg?

[The4thHorseman]

Please dont mention him in same breath with the all time great guards like Kobe or MJ. Steph was 1 dimensional in contrast to Kobe and MJ who played lockdown defense as well.

That's like saying don't mention Kobe and MJ in the same breath as Curry because they didn't and probably never could shoot the three like Curry does. Kobe and MJ are based on the same model. Curry is a truer original.

They definitely couldn't shoot the 3 better, nobody has. But Steph can't shoot 2's at a high volume efficiency that MJ and others could. That's why Steph is considered the best "3pt shooter" of all time.

[Asianiac_24]

Best ceiling raiser in history. More than MJ, LeBron, or anyone else.

[Peregrine01]

Forget PG, I think Curry has a legitimate argument for greatest scorer of all-time and I think, at minimum, top 5.

[sikma42]

Why is Steph a pg and not Harden?

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[Marrrcuss]

Why is Steph a pg and not Harden?

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Umm, the guy that has lead the nba in assists isnt a point guard because it doesnt fit the narrative.

[Marrrcuss]

Ahh, giving steph credit for the whole damn team, huh?

As if GSW didnt have way more talent.... yet steph still never dared to TRY and guard Dame

I like that you're comparing defence here, when dame is an abysmal defender and curry is atleast an average defender for his position.

I mean you can use the talent argument, but then what's the argument for this season where steph is still completely outplaying Dame with one of the worst rosters in the NBA?

At some point, people will have to accept steph is just simply superior to Dame. Dame is great, there are levels to greatness however.

There is a chance Steph and Dame will have that play in game. If Steph wins that, the debate would be over forever.

What if Dame wins?

[xdrta+]

Please dont mention him in same breath with the all time great guards like Kobe or MJ. Steph was 1 dimensional in contrast to Kobe and MJ who played lockdown defense as well.

That's like saying don't mention Kobe and MJ in the same breath as Curry because they didn't and probably never could shoot the three like Curry does. Kobe and MJ are based on the same model. Curry is a truer original.

They definitely couldn't shoot the 3 better, nobody has. But Steph can't shoot 2's at a high volume efficiency that MJ and others could. That's why Steph is considered the best "3pt shooter" of all time.

Haha, I forgot about this poster he's back with the same hobby horse. Steph isn't the best shooter because he doesn't shoot enough 2 point shots. Hilarious.

[rtiff68]

Ahh, giving steph credit for the whole damn team, huh?

As if GSW didnt have way more talent.... yet steph still never dared to TRY and guard Dame

I like that you're comparing defence here, when dame is an abysmal defender and curry is atleast an average defender for his position.

I mean you can use the talent argument, but then what's the argument for this season where steph is still completely outplaying Dame with one of the worst rosters in the NBA?

At some point, people will have to accept steph is just simply superior to Dame. Dame is great, there are levels to greatness however.

There is a chance Steph and Dame will have that play in game. If Steph wins that, the debate would be over forever.

How is there still a debate at this point?

I love Lillard, which makes me hate having to have these conversations because I feel like I'm denigrating him.

The results of a "play-in" game this year wouldn't "settle the debate" anymore than a bad season this year would've "proven" that Steph "can't succeed without a stacked team."

[Joao Saraiva]

I do agree that Steph is arguably the most dominant offensive player in NBA history.

Pure shooter - best ever
Off-ball shooter - best over
Moving without the ball - best ever
Shooting off screens - best ever
Release - arguably quickest ever
Making difficult shots - one of the best ever
Handles - one of the best ever
Floater - one of the best ever
IQ/Vision - one of the best ever

The only category he's not elite is as a post-up player, but he's so dominant as a shooter it doesn't matter.

Curry has an insane motor, he's incredible with and without the ball, he puts an enormous pressure on an opposing defense at all times.

Facts are facts. In 2015 and 2016 Curry was a cheat code that almost single handedly reduced the impact of the traditional slow big man. If you were a team that tried to guard him with a slow big he would torch your team and the game was over by the 3rd quarter.

Too bad you're not considering...
Driving
Transition
Ability to get his own shot (yes he is a great handler, but man a guy like KD can definitely post up and shoot over every time! Or a guy like Dirk... I think some of this is why he has had some struggles in the off season) - of course he is very good at it and his struggles in the off season don't mean he plays bad, just that he is sometimes more inconsistent.

IQ/vision - I don't think he's one of the best ever to be honest. I'd disagree with you here.

He's among the biggest offensive forces ever in the NBA, I'll agree. The biggest offensive force... I don't really think so.

[dygaction]

I like that you're comparing defence here, when dame is an abysmal defender and curry is atleast an average defender for his position.

I mean you can use the talent argument, but then what's the argument for this season where steph is still completely outplaying Dame with one of the worst rosters in the NBA?

At some point, people will have to accept steph is just simply superior to Dame. Dame is great, there are levels to greatness however.

There is a chance Steph and Dame will have that play in game. If Steph wins that, the debate would be over forever.

What if Dame wins?

He better. Then the debate can continue

[Pelly24]

Why is Steph a pg and not Harden?

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Umm, the guy that has lead the nba in assists isnt a point guard because it doesnt fit the narrative.

Because he's spent the majority of his career nominally a shooting guard. It's the same reason LeBron doesn't show up on any greatest point guard ever debates. He handles the ball more than everyone else. He's always been the point guard. But he's a wing. Same deal with Harden. Harden to me is the second or third greatest scoring shooting guard after MJ and Kobe

[Marrrcuss]

Why is Steph a pg and not Harden?

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Umm, the guy that has lead the nba in assists isnt a point guard because it doesnt fit the narrative.

Because he's spent the majority of his career nominally a shooting guard. It's the same reason LeBron doesn't show up on any greatest point guard ever debates. He handles the ball more than everyone else. He's always been the point guard. But he's a wing. Same deal with Harden. Harden to me is the second or third greatest scoring shooting guard after MJ and Kobe

LeBron has only played point for 1-2 years. So theres that.
Draymond has lead the Warriors in assists every year since 2015.
Steph wont guard other point guards, doesnt balance the floor, and brings the ball up court less than Draymond.
Hardens only no PG years are when CP3 was in houston and in OKC

[dygaction]

I like that you're comparing defence here, when dame is an abysmal defender and curry is atleast an average defender for his position.

I mean you can use the talent argument, but then what's the argument for this season where steph is still completely outplaying Dame with one of the worst rosters in the NBA?

At some point, people will have to accept steph is just simply superior to Dame. Dame is great, there are levels to greatness however.

There is a chance Steph and Dame will have that play in game. If Steph wins that, the debate would be over forever.

How is there still a debate at this point?

I love Lillard, which makes me hate having to have these conversations because I feel like I'm denigrating him.

The results of a "play-in" game this year wouldn't "settle the debate" anymore than a bad season this year would've "proven" that Steph "can't succeed without a stacked team."

What I meant was that if Dame lost the play-in with an obvious much stronger cast, it should forever quench all remaining Curry-Lillard doubters.

[Pelly24]

Umm, the guy that has lead the nba in assists isnt a point guard because it doesnt fit the narrative.

Because he's spent the majority of his career nominally a shooting guard. It's the same reason LeBron doesn't show up on any greatest point guard ever debates. He handles the ball more than everyone else. He's always been the point guard. But he's a wing. Same deal with Harden. Harden to me is the second or third greatest scoring shooting guard after MJ and Kobe

LeBron has only played point for 1-2 years. So theres that.
Draymond has lead the Warriors in assists every year since 2015.
Steph wont guard other point guards, doesnt balance the floor, and brings the ball up court less than Draymond.
Hardens only no PG years are when CP3 was in houston and in OKC

LeBron was always the point guard though, L.A. didn't really change anything. For all intents in purposes, he's always been the PG, but he's the wing.

Either way, Harden I would take over Steph by a little bit, but I don't consider Harden to be a PG really. But really, I'm more breaking things down to size classifications. It's harder to score at 6'2" or 6'3" versus 6'5" w. the reach of a 6'8" person.

Steph is easily the best 6'3" and under player/scorer ever.

[Buzzard]

Edit wrong thread.