#1 Pick

[shotsquatch]

I don't understand how anyone can be low on Cade. I'm also seeing multiple comparisons to Andrew Wiggins, which make no sense.

Scouts all agree that Cade is above average at every aspect of basketball. He can handle, he can pass (at an extremely high level), he can shoot (40% 3-pt, 85% FT), he can defend, and -- most importantly -- he can run an offense. The only hole in his game is athleticism; he will be an average athlete at the NBA level. But literally everything else you would want in a prospect is there, and there in spades. Oh yeah, did I mention he's 6'8" with a wingspan longer than LeBron's?

He is mature. He is professional. He is a guy you can plug in on any team, press play, then sit back and watch him go. What more can you possibly ask for?

I can't remember the last time the draft had such a complete player. There is no great NBA comparison for Cade, because frankly we've never seen someone coming out of college who could do everything he does at such a high level. Luka with better defense and shooting? A less-explosive Grant Hill with LeBron's IQ?

You can't miss with Cade.

[codydaze]

I don't understand how anyone can be low on Cade. I'm also seeing multiple comparisons to Andrew Wiggins, which make no sense.

Scouts all agree that Cade is above average at every aspect of basketball. He can handle, he can pass (at an extremely high level), he can shoot (40% 3-pt, 85% FT), he can defend, and -- most importantly -- he can run an offense. The only hole in his game is athleticism; he will be an average athlete at the NBA level. But literally everything else you would want in a prospect is there, and there in spades. Oh yeah, did I mention he's 6'8" with a wingspan longer than LeBron's?

He is mature. He is professional. He is a guy you can plug in on any team, press play, then sit back and watch him go. What more can you possibly ask for?

I can't remember the last time the draft had such a complete player. There is no great NBA comparison for Cade, because frankly we've never seen someone coming out of college who could do everything he does at such a high level. Luka with better defense and shooting? A less-explosive Grant Hill with LeBron's IQ?

You can't miss with Cade.

I think Cade is a very safe pick but I just don't see him turning into the caliber player that people are talking about. I think he will be good, very likely all star level but I would put him closer to an Iguodala level player than a Lebron. I'm very high on Mobley though, I think he'll ultimately be the best player from this class even if it isn't in the first couple years of their careers.

[GSWFan1994]

I think Cade is similar to Paul Pierce, but better than him at the same age.

Just imagine Cade with the modern NBA's spacing... he will be a nightmare to deal with on the offensive end.

[DCasey91]

I don't understand how anyone can be low on Cade. I'm also seeing multiple comparisons to Andrew Wiggins, which make no sense.

Scouts all agree that Cade is above average at every aspect of basketball. He can handle, he can pass (at an extremely high level), he can shoot (40% 3-pt, 85% FT), he can defend, and -- most importantly -- he can run an offense. The only hole in his game is athleticism; he will be an average athlete at the NBA level. But literally everything else you would want in a prospect is there, and there in spades. Oh yeah, did I mention he's 6'8" with a wingspan longer than LeBron's?

He is mature. He is professional. He is a guy you can plug in on any team, press play, then sit back and watch him go. What more can you possibly ask for?

I can't remember the last time the draft had such a complete player. There is no great NBA comparison for Cade, because frankly we've never seen someone coming out of college who could do everything he does at such a high level. Luka with better defense and shooting? A less-explosive Grant Hill with LeBron's IQ?

You can't miss with Cade.

Can’t remember there was one a couple of years ago? Doncic.

Luka was on a different level of being complete age for age in fact Luka was/is one of the most complete players to go into the NBA in decades maybe since Kareem at 18. What he did in Fiba/Euroleague was an abnormality rare event. Dudes a prodigy. We’re already microscoping everything he does since his second year in the league. Because he is on a all time trajectory no question. He was ready to go last year at 21.

Cade is no where near Doncic. Fwiw I have Cade in the 3/4 range (I like Green the most then Mobley/Suggs).

[shotsquatch]

I don't understand how anyone can be low on Cade. I'm also seeing multiple comparisons to Andrew Wiggins, which make no sense.

Scouts all agree that Cade is above average at every aspect of basketball. He can handle, he can pass (at an extremely high level), he can shoot (40% 3-pt, 85% FT), he can defend, and -- most importantly -- he can run an offense. The only hole in his game is athleticism; he will be an average athlete at the NBA level. But literally everything else you would want in a prospect is there, and there in spades. Oh yeah, did I mention he's 6'8" with a wingspan longer than LeBron's?

He is mature. He is professional. He is a guy you can plug in on any team, press play, then sit back and watch him go. What more can you possibly ask for?

I can't remember the last time the draft had such a complete player. There is no great NBA comparison for Cade, because frankly we've never seen someone coming out of college who could do everything he does at such a high level. Luka with better defense and shooting? A less-explosive Grant Hill with LeBron's IQ?

You can't miss with Cade.

Can’t remember there was one a couple of years ago? Doncic.

Luka was on a different level of being complete age for age in fact Luka was/is one of the most complete players to go into the NBA in decades maybe since Kareem at 18. What he did in Fiba/Euroleague was an abnormality rare event. Dudes a prodigy. We’re already microscoping everything he does since his second year in the league. Because he is on a all time trajectory no question. He was ready to go last year at 21.

Cade is no where near Doncic. Fwiw I have Cade in the 3/4 range (I like Green the most then Mobley/Suggs).

Doncic doesn't shoot or defend as well as Cade.

[DCasey91]

I don't understand how anyone can be low on Cade. I'm also seeing multiple comparisons to Andrew Wiggins, which make no sense.

Scouts all agree that Cade is above average at every aspect of basketball. He can handle, he can pass (at an extremely high level), he can shoot (40% 3-pt, 85% FT), he can defend, and -- most importantly -- he can run an offense. The only hole in his game is athleticism; he will be an average athlete at the NBA level. But literally everything else you would want in a prospect is there, and there in spades. Oh yeah, did I mention he's 6'8" with a wingspan longer than LeBron's?

He is mature. He is professional. He is a guy you can plug in on any team, press play, then sit back and watch him go. What more can you possibly ask for?

I can't remember the last time the draft had such a complete player. There is no great NBA comparison for Cade, because frankly we've never seen someone coming out of college who could do everything he does at such a high level. Luka with better defense and shooting? A less-explosive Grant Hill with LeBron's IQ?

You can't miss with Cade.

Can’t remember there was one a couple of years ago? Doncic.

Luka was on a different level of being complete age for age in fact Luka was/is one of the most complete players to go into the NBA in decades maybe since Kareem at 18. What he did in Fiba/Euroleague was an abnormality rare event. Dudes a prodigy. We’re already microscoping everything he does since his second year in the league. Because he is on a all time trajectory no question. He was ready to go last year at 21.

Cade is no where near Doncic. Fwiw I have Cade in the 3/4 range (I like Green the most then Mobley/Suggs).

Doncic doesn't shoot or defend as well as Cade.

How do you know that though? Cade isn’t in an NBA environment yet. Doncic vs Cade they are on different lvls of being “complete” players. I mean skill wise age 18 Doncic was better then LBJ for godsake. Dude had all star impact on the back end of his rookie year then was a legit MVP candidate last year and this year. I mean imagine Luka with a good team lol.

Luka with better defense and shooting? That isn’t Cade. Those that expect that will be letdown big time.

[DCasey91]

When Slovenia won eurobasket back in 2017, Luka should have been auto 1st pick then and there lol
if you watched some of the games at times he was a class above all stars (Dragic/Zingis).

It’s not really an argument from my end.

[DCasey91]

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Will be the biggest blunder in NBA draft history bookmark that. In terms of being complete Luka over anyone outside of Kareem in the past what 50 years.

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Will be the biggest blunder in NBA draft history bookmark that. In terms of being complete Luka over anyone outside of Kareem in the past what 50 years.

I 100% agree. But all I said was Cade is a more complete prospect than Luka.

There were plenty of criticisms of Luka's game going into the draft: his athleticism, his defense, his finishing ability, his shooting efficiency. Cade has none of these criticisms, because his game has no holes. Obviously Cade isn't as good as Luka, and likely never will be, but his overall game right now is more well-rounded than Luka's was at the same age.

[DCasey91]

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Will be the biggest blunder in NBA draft history bookmark that. In terms of being complete Luka over anyone outside of Kareem in the past what 50 years.

I 100% agree. But all I said was Cade is a more complete prospect than Luka.

There were plenty of criticisms of Luka's game going into the draft: his athleticism, his defense, his finishing ability, his shooting efficiency. Cade has none of these criticisms, because his game has no holes. Obviously Cade isn't as good as Luka, and likely never will be, but his overall game right now is more well-rounded than Luka's was at the same age.

Disagree entirely

Scoring volume, Handling, Athleticism, finishing ability, score creating are fair criticisms to Cade easily. Saying Cade has no holes is how you overate a prospect. I think we are taking different perspectives here.

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Will be the biggest blunder in NBA draft history bookmark that. In terms of being complete Luka over anyone outside of Kareem in the past what 50 years.

I 100% agree. But all I said was Cade is a more complete prospect than Luka.

There were plenty of criticisms of Luka's game going into the draft: his athleticism, his defense, his finishing ability, his shooting efficiency. Cade has none of these criticisms, because his game has no holes. Obviously Cade isn't as good as Luka, and likely never will be, but his overall game right now is more well-rounded than Luka's was at the same age.

Disagree entirely

Scoring volume, Handling, Athleticism, finishing ability, score creating are fair criticisms to Cade easily. Saying Cade has no holes is how you overate a prospect. I think we are taking different perspectives here.

Luka has the greatest resume ever in the draft. Kareem included. He was the MVP as a kid of the second best man’s league in the world. Only way to top that is to get the MVP younger. Cade isn’t close to having that type of resume. Not an insult either, literally no one does.

[DCasey91]

I 100% agree. But all I said was Cade is a more complete prospect than Luka.

There were plenty of criticisms of Luka's game going into the draft: his athleticism, his defense, his finishing ability, his shooting efficiency. Cade has none of these criticisms, because his game has no holes. Obviously Cade isn't as good as Luka, and likely never will be, but his overall game right now is more well-rounded than Luka's was at the same age.

Disagree entirely

Scoring volume, Handling, Athleticism, finishing ability, score creating are fair criticisms to Cade easily. Saying Cade has no holes is how you overate a prospect. I think we are taking different perspectives here.

Luka has the greatest resume ever in the draft. Kareem included. He was the MVP as a kid of the second best man’s league in the world. Only way to top that is to get the MVP younger. Cade isn’t close to having that type of resume. Not an insult either, literally no one does.

Speak of the devil, he is the chosen one surely there has to be some sort of profiling bias as to why he wasn’t the easiest 1st pick since Davis lol

Anyway I got Green for the number 1 pick (best player) when it’s all said and done.

[SNPA]

Disagree entirely

Scoring volume, Handling, Athleticism, finishing ability, score creating are fair criticisms to Cade easily. Saying Cade has no holes is how you overate a prospect. I think we are taking different perspectives here.

Luka has the greatest resume ever in the draft. Kareem included. He was the MVP as a kid of the second best man’s league in the world. Only way to top that is to get the MVP younger. Cade isn’t close to having that type of resume. Not an insult either, literally no one does.

Speak of the devil, he is the chosen one surely there has to be some sort of profiling bias as to why he wasn’t the easiest 1st pick since Davis lol

Anyway I got Green for the number 1 pick (best player) when it’s all said and done.

Yeah. A bunch of GM’s absolutely crapped the bed. And not just the three that passed but the others that could have made an offer and didn’t. Flat out drafting negligence. Epic levels of failure. It was obvious.

Agreed on Green looking damn good.

[DCasey91]

Luka has the greatest resume ever in the draft. Kareem included. He was the MVP as a kid of the second best man’s league in the world. Only way to top that is to get the MVP younger. Cade isn’t close to having that type of resume. Not an insult either, literally no one does.

Speak of the devil, he is the chosen one surely there has to be some sort of profiling bias as to why he wasn’t the easiest 1st pick since Davis lol


Anyway I got Green for the number 1 pick (best player) when it’s all said and done.

Yeah. A bunch of GM’s absolutely crapped the bed. And not just the three that passed but the others that could have made an offer and didn’t. Flat out drafting negligence. Epic levels of failure. It was obvious.

Agreed on Green looking damn good.

Yeah the sports that I’m accustomed to
you trade the farm for a generational prospect and jump for joy when you get that player. They come around every 10 years or so. Whelp gotta wait another ten years now lol

Even at one I would have given up everything outside Embiid and I wouldn’t blink twice about it.

Green with being that athletic, profile/skillset, being a basketball player for one
15-20 pounds of natural weight put on, haha good luck stopping that.

[GSWFan1994]

Speak of the devil, he is the chosen one surely there has to be some sort of profiling bias as to why he wasn’t the easiest 1st pick since Davis lol

Anyway I got Green for the number 1 pick (best player) when it’s all said and done.

Would you care to elaborate why you think Green is the #1 player from this draft class?

What are his advantages related to the other top prospects?

Thanks in advance.

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Speak of the devil, he is the chosen one surely there has to be some sort of profiling bias as to why he wasn’t the easiest 1st pick since Davis lol

Anyway I got Green for the number 1 pick (best player) when it’s all said and done.

Would you care to elaborate why you think Green is the #1 player from this draft class?

What are his advantages related to the other top prospects?

Thanks in advance.

If you're taking requests DCasey, after your discussion of the Luka pick, what do you think of Alperen Sengun? Yeah, the Turkish league isn't as strong as the Spanish league, but it's a still a full on men's league and Sengun looks like a deserved MVP...

[The-Power]

There were plenty of criticisms of Luka's game going into the draft: his athleticism, his defense, his finishing ability, his shooting efficiency. Cade has none of these criticisms, because his game has no holes.

I have Cade #1 but that is taking it a bit too far here. Handles, athleticism, finishing – all of that has been criticized. Especially the handles part is something I share, he has to improve quite a bit before I trust him to be a primary offensive anchor in a PG role. Luka was a better finisher, a better shot-maker and not a worse athlete either (there are other aspects of athleticism than leaping ability). Also, Luka did not have any true holes in his game either – only parts of his game that weren't great, just like Cade.

A lot of the criticism directed at Luka was not really warranted back then. Hence, citing existing criticism isn't necessarily useful for the argument. Not to mention that there have been plenty of people who have criticized Cade; so if that's the benchmark, no prospect ever has been above criticism, including Cade.

[DCasey91]

Speak of the devil, he is the chosen one surely there has to be some sort of profiling bias as to why he wasn’t the easiest 1st pick since Davis lol

Anyway I got Green for the number 1 pick (best player) when it’s all said and done.

Would you care to elaborate why you think Green is the #1 player from this draft class?

What are his advantages related to the other top prospects?

Thanks in advance.

Nuclear athleticism + already good basketball skills

Out of five he’s the 4th most “raw” one, but in this case all 5 have a very solid base to go off from so the raw aspect isn’t quite right in the top 5 prospects in this year’s draft.

I have him projecting to be a top 3 pure SG by year 4 (25+ppg).

The undeniable aspect is though there is a very small chance he might have insane work ethic/mentality if that’s true that’s a superstar right there.

All things being equal I’m taking the guy who has a very nice trajectory path and his base level is already very high.

I’m giving him the Ingram treatment (once I see him start to finish at the rim through contact consistently like Ingram did by back half of year 2 that’s a perennial All Star).

Green’s ceiling is higher (More athletic) so he might get to that finishing aspect sooner.

Keeping it short. Main reason? He’s this good now wait until he adds 15+ pounds haha lord have mercy guarding him.

They ran NBA sets through him and he did very well. I hazard to guess a Beal type offball/onball system.

I’m not going to be surprised if he averages 27ppg one day. Too much shake/just too much pop when he goes. (I have him higher then Antman, because psychically Green has the huge upside/adv, also Antman’s
Mentality can be rightly questioned, haven’t heard good/bad things from Green so until that happens he’s my clear number one 1# and my favorite in this years draft).

Could be Eddie Jones, or skinnier Derozan with a three, or could be this modern era’s Jordan/Kobe. Either way in my eyes he’s the best player in this draft 4-5 years from now.

[GSWFan1994]

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Much appreciated.

Slam Magazine did a feature on Green last month, here's the link if you want to read.

Gives some insight into his mentality.

[Sea2003]

Speak of the devil, he is the chosen one surely there has to be some sort of profiling bias as to why he wasn’t the easiest 1st pick since Davis lol

Anyway I got Green for the number 1 pick (best player) when it’s all said and done.

Would you care to elaborate why you think Green is the #1 player from this draft class?

What are his advantages related to the other top prospects?

Thanks in advance.

Nuclear athleticism + already good basketball skills

Out of five he’s the 4th most “raw” one, but in this case all 5 have a very solid base to go off from so the raw aspect isn’t quite right in the top 5 prospects in this year’s draft.

I have him projecting to be a top 3 pure SG by year 4 (25+ppg).

The undeniable aspect is though there is a very small chance he might have insane work ethic/mentality if that’s true that’s a superstar right there.

All things being equal I’m taking the guy who has a very nice trajectory path and his base level is already very high.

I’m giving him the Ingram treatment (once I see him start to finish at the rim through contact consistently like Ingram did by back half of year 2 that’s a perennial All Star).

Green’s ceiling is higher (More athletic) so he might get to that finishing aspect sooner.

Keeping it short. Main reason? He’s this good now wait until he adds 15+ pounds haha lord have mercy guarding him.

They ran NBA sets through him and he did very well. I hazard to guess a Beal type offball/onball system.

I’m not going to be surprised if he averages 27ppg one day. Too much shake/just too much pop when he goes. (I have him higher then Antman, because psychically Green has the huge upside/adv, also Antman’s
Mentality can be rightly questioned, haven’t heard good/bad things from Green so until that happens he’s my clear number one 1# and my favorite in this years draft).

Could be Eddie Jones, or skinnier Derozan with a three, or could be this modern era’s Jordan/Kobe. Either way in my eyes he’s the best player in this draft 4-5 years from now.

Would you trade Simmons for Green?