As a Scoring Point Guard, Steph Has No Serious Rival

[art_tatum]

Warriors have a record of 1-7 without curry.
So when curry plays, including games he left early, their record is 27-21.
That's a .565 pace good for 4th seed in the east and 6/7th in the west. Close to the win pace of the blazers.

[Pelly24]

Regarding harden v currry, harden has choked way too much in big games for this to be a serious comparison.

Would have been interesting to see curry’s number in a dantoni system but we’ll never know.

One thing for sure, if the nets are anything short of one of the most dominant teams of all time in the playoffs then you can end the debate.

That’s what Curry did with the same talent the nets have. If the nets lose... at least these comparisons will stop.

Honestly, this narrative is really overblown. Harden had one all-nba player in their prime his whole stint in Houston, and that was first year CP3, who got injured. Harden has had choke jobs, but it's not like he had players as good as PEAK Draymond and Klay and then role players as good as Iggy, Bogut, Harrison Barnes, Shaun Livingston...list goes on.

Actually I think the opposite narrative is overblown, that steph played with some best of all time supporting cast pre KD.

Klay and draymond are two of my favorite players but they have limitations. We don’t discredit lebron for winning with peak d wade and Bosh, Kobe with shaq and magic with Kareem etc but for some reason klay and dray discredit Steph’s legacy to some people. It’s crazy.

Harden has played with plenty of talent and you are downplaying how good those rockets players are. Part of them falling short is that he just hasn’t worked that well with others. Hopefully he’s learned his lesson now that he is in Brooklyn.

Besides CP3 and maybe first year Rocket D-12, Harden never played with someone like Klay Thompson, who's an elite defender who can also drop 60 points and is maybe the second greatest shooter ever. Draymond is someone who can work with a decent amount of players. Harden might not be one of the best matches, but give Harden an Al Horford (peak) and he'd be in business. I agree, I think Klay and Draymond were never better than top 20 or so players, but Steph definitely had a very good team.

I only don't give Steph a ton of credit because the only times things were roughly evenly matched, or when he was on the team that overmatched the team he played, he really wasn't great. In 2015 he should've been finals MVP, but by no means was it anything other than a standout performance, and it was clear that if teams were equal in talent, he'd have lost. Then, even if he was banged up, that theory was kinda proven right when the Cavs beat the warriors. And then once KD came, it became more likely than not that the Warriors would win the chip, so it wasn't particularly remarkable when they won. To me he's still a great player, probably top 20 or so ever, and better than DWade at this point. But I can't say Harden has choked when he hasn't had the talent.

[TheBobster]

Pre-Achilles injury Nate Archibald.

Archibald, 1972-73 - 34.0 points, 11.4 assists [led the NBA in both]
Curry 2 MVP years, 2014-16 - 26.9 points, 7.2 assists

Archibald six years before injury, 1971-77 - 26.7 points, 8.6 assists
Curry, best 6 years, 2013-19 - 26.1 points, 5.9 assists

And Archibald didn't have the three-point shot to inflate his scoring.

[Myth]

Dame’s career best eFG% is 56%
Curry’s career average eFG% is 58%

Dame’s career best TS% is 62%
Curry’s career average TS% is 62%

So peak Dame is essentially equal to average Curry when it comes to scoring efficiency.

Curry has had a better supporting cast most of his career, compared to Dame.

in a vacuum, looking at pure talent, Dame is right up there with Curry.

Dame is at least a level below in terms of overall efficiency, off ball, and defense. Curry is an average defender but Dame is historically bad.

I agree with you on efficiency and off ball, but calling Dame historically bad at defense is not accurate, and the difference between him and Curry on defense is not that big. Both are bad defenders compared to other star players, but only slightly below average at their positions compared to other point guards.

[Peregrine01]

Pre-Achilles injury Nate Archibald.

Archibald, 1972-73 - 34.0 points, 11.4 assists [led the NBA in both]
Curry 2 MVP years, 2014-16 - 26.9 points, 7.2 assists

Archibald six years before injury, 1971-77 - 26.7 points, 8.6 assists
Curry, best 6 years, 2013-19 - 26.1 points, 5.9 assists

And Archibald didn't have the three-point shot to inflate his scoring.

Pretty cool. Didn't know Archibald had such a great scoring season. He was scoring on +5.7% rTS as well.

[DB23]

Honestly, this narrative is really overblown. Harden had one all-nba player in their prime his whole stint in Houston, and that was first year CP3, who got injured. Harden has had choke jobs, but it's not like he had players as good as PEAK Draymond and Klay and then role players as good as Iggy, Bogut, Harrison Barnes, Shaun Livingston...list goes on.

Actually I think the opposite narrative is overblown, that steph played with some best of all time supporting cast pre KD.

Klay and draymond are two of my favorite players but they have limitations. We don’t discredit lebron for winning with peak d wade and Bosh, Kobe with shaq and magic with Kareem etc but for some reason klay and dray discredit Steph’s legacy to some people. It’s crazy.

Harden has played with plenty of talent and you are downplaying how good those rockets players are. Part of them falling short is that he just hasn’t worked that well with others. Hopefully he’s learned his lesson now that he is in Brooklyn.

Besides CP3 and maybe first year Rocket D-12, Harden never played with someone like Klay Thompson, who's an elite defender who can also drop 60 points and is maybe the second greatest shooter ever. Draymond is someone who can work with a decent amount of players. Harden might not be one of the best matches, but give Harden an Al Horford (peak) and he'd be in business. I agree, I think Klay and Draymond were never better than top 20 or so players, but Steph definitely had a very good team.

I only don't give Steph a ton of credit because the only times things were roughly evenly matched, or when he was on the team that overmatched the team he played, he really wasn't great. In 2015 he should've been finals MVP, but by no means was it anything other than a standout performance, and it was clear that if teams were equal in talent, he'd have lost. Then, even if he was banged up, that theory was kinda proven right when the Cavs beat the warriors. And then once KD came, it became more likely than not that the Warriors would win the chip, so it wasn't particularly remarkable when they won. To me he's still a great player, probably top 20 or so ever, and better than DWade at this point. But I can't say Harden has choked when he hasn't had the talent.

I also don’t understand why he doesn’t get massive credit for the KD wins. That team was arguably the goat team, so much so that everyone complained for years about league parity. Again, we didn’t do the same with lebron, Shaq, Kobe, magic etc who were also all expected to win.

They made a goat candidate on his own stacked team look totally hopeless. The level of dominance is why he should get credit.

Look I have a lot of respect for harden improving his game over the last five years, he has all the skills but I think the multiple bad close out games and fact he just isn’t figured out how to be a great team mate really hold him back in this conversation.

[WarriorGM]

Besides CP3 and maybe first year Rocket D-12, Harden never played with someone like Klay Thompson, who's an elite defender who can also drop 60 points and is maybe the second greatest shooter ever. Draymond is someone who can work with a decent amount of players. Harden might not be one of the best matches, but give Harden an Al Horford (peak) and he'd be in business. I agree, I think Klay and Draymond were never better than top 20 or so players, but Steph definitely had a very good team.

I only don't give Steph a ton of credit because the only times things were roughly evenly matched, or when he was on the team that overmatched the team he played, he really wasn't great. In 2015 he should've been finals MVP, but by no means was it anything other than a standout performance, and it was clear that if teams were equal in talent, he'd have lost. Then, even if he was banged up, that theory was kinda proven right when the Cavs beat the warriors. And then once KD came, it became more likely than not that the Warriors would win the chip, so it wasn't particularly remarkable when they won. To me he's still a great player, probably top 20 or so ever, and better than DWade at this point. But I can't say Harden has choked when he hasn't had the talent.

Forced zombie narratives that makes no sense. Besides CP3 and Dwight? Two guys whose individual careers have reached higher highs than anyone Steph has played with other than KD and who proved it on their own? If they were to retire today Klay and Draymond would not be locks for the Hall of Fame.

One could even posit that without Steph, Klay and Draymond would only be above average players. Harden teammates Eric Gordon, Lou Williams, Trevor Ariza and Clint Capela might even be on their level. The Clippers mainly composed of a core of former Harden teammates pushed the Warriors to 6 games in the 2019 playoffs. Please this woe is me tall tale being told that Harden didn't have teammates nearly as good as Curry did is palaver.

The 2015 finals was the debut appearance for everyone on the Warriors roster. Why don't you compare their performance with other teams that debuted in the finals? Curry was fine. They beat the Cavaliers in Game 1 when Kyrie played. If anything Kyrie dropping out and the Cavaliers shifting to a more defensive stance is what threw the Warriors off for a couple of games. If the teams were equal in talent there is little reason to believe the result wouldn't still have been the same. This is a another sham story that gets told by Cavaliers fans to make themselves feel better.

[Pelly24]

Besides CP3 and maybe first year Rocket D-12, Harden never played with someone like Klay Thompson, who's an elite defender who can also drop 60 points and is maybe the second greatest shooter ever. Draymond is someone who can work with a decent amount of players. Harden might not be one of the best matches, but give Harden an Al Horford (peak) and he'd be in business. I agree, I think Klay and Draymond were never better than top 20 or so players, but Steph definitely had a very good team.

I only don't give Steph a ton of credit because the only times things were roughly evenly matched, or when he was on the team that overmatched the team he played, he really wasn't great. In 2015 he should've been finals MVP, but by no means was it anything other than a standout performance, and it was clear that if teams were equal in talent, he'd have lost. Then, even if he was banged up, that theory was kinda proven right when the Cavs beat the warriors. And then once KD came, it became more likely than not that the Warriors would win the chip, so it wasn't particularly remarkable when they won. To me he's still a great player, probably top 20 or so ever, and better than DWade at this point. But I can't say Harden has choked when he hasn't had the talent.

Forced zombie narratives that makes no sense. Besides CP3 and Dwight? Two guys whose individual careers have reached higher highs than anyone Steph has played with other than KD and who proved it on their own? If they were to retire today Klay and Draymond would not be locks for the Hall of Fame. One could even posit that without Steph, Klay and Draymond would only be above average players. Harden teammates Eric Gordon, Lou Williams, Trevor Ariza and Clint Capela might even be on their level. The Clippers mainly composed of a core of former Harden teammates pushed the Warriors to 6 games in the 2019 playoffs. Please this woe is me tall tale being told that Harden didn't have teammates nearly as good as Curry did is palaver.

What I'm saying is that Harden didn't choke when he had those players lol. The times where he had some dudes were 2014 (not as good as he is now or in years after), 2017 and that 15 turnover game in 2015 against GSW, but in two of the three cases, his team shouldn't have been expected to win.

Stop it. Eric Gordon was never going to be as good as Klay Thompson. Lou Will is awful on defense, Trevor Ariza is a solid role player, Capela is good, but not close. If you're saying Lou Will and these guys are close to as good as

Harden doesn't have anything nearly as bad as 2016 NBA Finals curry, though, who blew a 3-1 lead even though he had the better team. Additionally, Curry went 6 games against a Cavs team that was without two of their three best players.

Both Harden and Curry have had shortcomings in the playoffs, so I don't buy this idea that Curry's got a crazy advantage over him in that way.

[Pelly24]

Actually I think the opposite narrative is overblown, that steph played with some best of all time supporting cast pre KD.

Klay and draymond are two of my favorite players but they have limitations. We don’t discredit lebron for winning with peak d wade and Bosh, Kobe with shaq and magic with Kareem etc but for some reason klay and dray discredit Steph’s legacy to some people. It’s crazy.

Harden has played with plenty of talent and you are downplaying how good those rockets players are. Part of them falling short is that he just hasn’t worked that well with others. Hopefully he’s learned his lesson now that he is in Brooklyn.

Besides CP3 and maybe first year Rocket D-12, Harden never played with someone like Klay Thompson, who's an elite defender who can also drop 60 points and is maybe the second greatest shooter ever. Draymond is someone who can work with a decent amount of players. Harden might not be one of the best matches, but give Harden an Al Horford (peak) and he'd be in business. I agree, I think Klay and Draymond were never better than top 20 or so players, but Steph definitely had a very good team.

I only don't give Steph a ton of credit because the only times things were roughly evenly matched, or when he was on the team that overmatched the team he played, he really wasn't great. In 2015 he should've been finals MVP, but by no means was it anything other than a standout performance, and it was clear that if teams were equal in talent, he'd have lost. Then, even if he was banged up, that theory was kinda proven right when the Cavs beat the warriors. And then once KD came, it became more likely than not that the Warriors would win the chip, so it wasn't particularly remarkable when they won. To me he's still a great player, probably top 20 or so ever, and better than DWade at this point. But I can't say Harden has choked when he hasn't had the talent.

I also don’t understand why he doesn’t get massive credit for the KD wins. That team was arguably the goat team, so much so that everyone complained for years about league parity. Again, we didn’t do the same with lebron, Shaq, Kobe, magic etc who were also all expected to win.

They made a goat candidate on his own stacked team look totally hopeless. The level of dominance is why he should get credit.

Look I have a lot of respect for harden improving his game over the last five years, he has all the skills but I think the multiple bad close out games and fact he just isn’t figured out how to be a great team mate really hold him back in this conversation.

I give Steph credit, it's really good and he enables a unique type of dominance. But neither he nor KD have a 2006 DWade, 2016, 2018 LeBron, 1991-1993 MJ type of playoff run and that's sort of a differentiator. Curry should've won, and you put Harden on that team instead, they also easily win. I don't see it as some crazy accomplishment is all, especially since he failed or came close to failing when talent was on equal terms.

[BoatsNZones]

Besides CP3 and maybe first year Rocket D-12, Harden never played with someone like Klay Thompson, who's an elite defender who can also drop 60 points and is maybe the second greatest shooter ever. Draymond is someone who can work with a decent amount of players. Harden might not be one of the best matches, but give Harden an Al Horford (peak) and he'd be in business. I agree, I think Klay and Draymond were never better than top 20 or so players, but Steph definitely had a very good team.

I only don't give Steph a ton of credit because the only times things were roughly evenly matched, or when he was on the team that overmatched the team he played, he really wasn't great. In 2015 he should've been finals MVP, but by no means was it anything other than a standout performance, and it was clear that if teams were equal in talent, he'd have lost. Then, even if he was banged up, that theory was kinda proven right when the Cavs beat the warriors. And then once KD came, it became more likely than not that the Warriors would win the chip, so it wasn't particularly remarkable when they won. To me he's still a great player, probably top 20 or so ever, and better than DWade at this point. But I can't say Harden has choked when he hasn't had the talent.

I also don’t understand why he doesn’t get massive credit for the KD wins. That team was arguably the goat team, so much so that everyone complained for years about league parity. Again, we didn’t do the same with lebron, Shaq, Kobe, magic etc who were also all expected to win.

They made a goat candidate on his own stacked team look totally hopeless. The level of dominance is why he should get credit.

Look I have a lot of respect for harden improving his game over the last five years, he has all the skills but I think the multiple bad close out games and fact he just isn’t figured out how to be a great team mate really hold him back in this conversation.

I give Steph credit, it's really good and he enables a unique type of dominance. But neither he nor KD have a 2006 DWade, 2016, 2018 LeBron, 1991-1993 MJ type of playoff run and that's sort of a differentiator. Curry should've won, and you put Harden on that team instead, they also easily win. I don't see it as some crazy accomplishment is all, especially since he failed or came close to failing when talent was on equal terms.

“You put him in and they still win”. I hate that nonsense. Much easier said than done. Harden had his chances against non KD teams aplenty, including no backup when KD went down mid series with CP3 dominating at his hip. Still lost. Curry has owned him his entire career, period.

[WarriorGM]

Besides CP3 and maybe first year Rocket D-12, Harden never played with someone like Klay Thompson, who's an elite defender who can also drop 60 points and is maybe the second greatest shooter ever. Draymond is someone who can work with a decent amount of players. Harden might not be one of the best matches, but give Harden an Al Horford (peak) and he'd be in business. I agree, I think Klay and Draymond were never better than top 20 or so players, but Steph definitely had a very good team.

I only don't give Steph a ton of credit because the only times things were roughly evenly matched, or when he was on the team that overmatched the team he played, he really wasn't great. In 2015 he should've been finals MVP, but by no means was it anything other than a standout performance, and it was clear that if teams were equal in talent, he'd have lost. Then, even if he was banged up, that theory was kinda proven right when the Cavs beat the warriors. And then once KD came, it became more likely than not that the Warriors would win the chip, so it wasn't particularly remarkable when they won. To me he's still a great player, probably top 20 or so ever, and better than DWade at this point. But I can't say Harden has choked when he hasn't had the talent.

Forced zombie narratives that makes no sense. Besides CP3 and Dwight? Two guys whose individual careers have reached higher highs than anyone Steph has played with other than KD and who proved it on their own? If they were to retire today Klay and Draymond would not be locks for the Hall of Fame. One could even posit that without Steph, Klay and Draymond would only be above average players. Harden teammates Eric Gordon, Lou Williams, Trevor Ariza and Clint Capela might even be on their level. The Clippers mainly composed of a core of former Harden teammates pushed the Warriors to 6 games in the 2019 playoffs. Please this woe is me tall tale being told that Harden didn't have teammates nearly as good as Curry did is palaver.

What I'm saying is that Harden didn't choke when he had those players lol. The times where he had some dudes were 2014 (not as good as he is now or in years after), 2017 and that 15 turnover game in 2015 against GSW, but in two of the three cases, his team shouldn't have been expected to win.

Stop it. Eric Gordon was never going to be as good as Klay Thompson. Lou Will is awful on defense, Trevor Ariza is a solid role player, Capela is good, but not close. If you're saying Lou Will and these guys are close to as good as

Harden doesn't have anything nearly as bad as 2016 NBA Finals curry, though, who blew a 3-1 lead even though he had the better team. Additionally, Curry went 6 games against a Cavs team that was without two of their three best players.

Both Harden and Curry have had shortcomings in the playoffs, so I don't buy this idea that Curry's got a crazy advantage over him in that way.

All this tells me is that you haven't been following Harden too closely. In 2015, it was Harden's teammates who saved him in Game 6 of their series when they were down 19 points in the 3rd quarter and were staring elimination in the face while Harden sat on the bench. Against the Spurs in 2017 he went AWOL in an elimination game Kawhi didn't play in. In the 2018 WCF Harden was 2 for 13 on threes and a significant part of the notorious 27 missed threes bricklaying disaster in Game 7.

Don't dare to compare any of these instances to any setbacks Curry has had.

[SpreeS]

Curry 27-21 0.562
Lillard 29-23 0.558

GSW has one the easiest remaining schedules and Portland one the hardest. Both teams had problems with injuries. GSW has possibility to catch POR in standings. Its shocking if we compare teams.

[WarriorGM]

I give Steph credit, it's really good and he enables a unique type of dominance. But neither he nor KD have a 2006 DWade, 2016, 2018 LeBron, 1991-1993 MJ type of playoff run and that's sort of a differentiator. Curry should've won, and you put Harden on that team instead, they also easily win. I don't see it as some crazy accomplishment is all, especially since he failed or came close to failing when talent was on equal terms.

Curry's 2015, 2016, and 2019 runs when KD was out are comparable to any of the above and superior in some cases. I don't recall Wade, LeBron, or MJ eliminating the rest of the All-NBA First Team one right after another or eliminating the immediate previous and succeeding MVPs at the same time or disposing of his two greatest rivals at his position in a similar manner.

"Curry should've won" you say, what makes you say this? The 67-win seasons? Well of course Curry was the primary reason for those team win records. Is it his fault Wade, LeBron or even MJ didn't put up as winning a record in the regular seasons referenced?

As mentioned in the post above, Harden doesn't exactly have a history of showing up when the going gets really tough. Curry in contrast has led the Warriors back from double digits deficits at the half in both elimination games 6 and 7 in the Western Conference finals. Twice.

Your take in the post quoted is trash.

[Zvaart]

Please dont mention him in same breath with the all time great guards like Kobe or MJ. Steph was 1 dimensional in contrast to Kobe and MJ who played lockdown defense as well.

lol

[nfmos]

Besides CP3 and maybe first year Rocket D-12, Harden never played with someone like Klay Thompson, who's an elite defender who can also drop 60 points and is maybe the second greatest shooter ever. Draymond is someone who can work with a decent amount of players. Harden might not be one of the best matches, but give Harden an Al Horford (peak) and he'd be in business. I agree, I think Klay and Draymond were never better than top 20 or so players, but Steph definitely had a very good team.

I only don't give Steph a ton of credit because the only times things were roughly evenly matched, or when he was on the team that overmatched the team he played, he really wasn't great. In 2015 he should've been finals MVP, but by no means was it anything other than a standout performance, and it was clear that if teams were equal in talent, he'd have lost. Then, even if he was banged up, that theory was kinda proven right when the Cavs beat the warriors. And then once KD came, it became more likely than not that the Warriors would win the chip, so it wasn't particularly remarkable when they won. To me he's still a great player, probably top 20 or so ever, and better than DWade at this point. But I can't say Harden has choked when he hasn't had the talent.

This stuff is just so crazy, there are people on here that still say CP3 is one of the greatest pg's to play the game, even recently saying he might be a better pg than Curry, and definitely more likely to get to the hall of fame than Klay, and obviously he is still really good based on what hes doing still, but Harden didnt have talent around him. And Harden had so many other quality players basically of his choosing, the truth is that he was just wasnt good at playing with other elite players. No one was saying Klay and Draymond were better than cp3 or Dwight before the Dubs championship runs, hell even after people were mad they were being picked as all stars, especially "triple single" Draymond. Curry makes his teammates better because he is a better teammate! He plays off the ball and many times acts as a decoy so that other players can get open looks, and also he doesnt monopolize the ball so other players can actually get in a rhythm by the end of the game.

The Dubs were built completely around Curry, and the Rockets were built completely around Harden, who actually had even more say in roster construction than Curry. Curry is just a better person to build a team around and a more attractive teammate for free agents.

And you mentioned the players on the bench, as if teams in the league were lining up to snatch up Livingston, Barnes, Bogut, etc. And iggy came to the Dubs because he saw how everyone loved to play with Steph! KD too!

And the finals mvp thing is crazy, our whole system works because of Steph and his gravity and unselfishness, but all of a sudden hes supposed to change his game to heroball just to get an individual accolade? Curry is just as valuable to this team when he slips a screen and draws two defenders and leaves his teammate for an open dunk, or when the other team picks him up at halfcourt and so he spreads the court out to allow more room for the Dubs to operate, or when he constantly is running around the court keeping the defense off balance. I can bet you he was probably even happier that Iggy got the MVP than himself because it was a chance for Iggy to get the shine when Curry is used to getting it all the time.

[DB23]

Besides CP3 and maybe first year Rocket D-12, Harden never played with someone like Klay Thompson, who's an elite defender who can also drop 60 points and is maybe the second greatest shooter ever. Draymond is someone who can work with a decent amount of players. Harden might not be one of the best matches, but give Harden an Al Horford (peak) and he'd be in business. I agree, I think Klay and Draymond were never better than top 20 or so players, but Steph definitely had a very good team.

I only don't give Steph a ton of credit because the only times things were roughly evenly matched, or when he was on the team that overmatched the team he played, he really wasn't great. In 2015 he should've been finals MVP, but by no means was it anything other than a standout performance, and it was clear that if teams were equal in talent, he'd have lost. Then, even if he was banged up, that theory was kinda proven right when the Cavs beat the warriors. And then once KD came, it became more likely than not that the Warriors would win the chip, so it wasn't particularly remarkable when they won. To me he's still a great player, probably top 20 or so ever, and better than DWade at this point. But I can't say Harden has choked when he hasn't had the talent.

I also don’t understand why he doesn’t get massive credit for the KD wins. That team was arguably the goat team, so much so that everyone complained for years about league parity. Again, we didn’t do the same with lebron, Shaq, Kobe, magic etc who were also all expected to win.

They made a goat candidate on his own stacked team look totally hopeless. The level of dominance is why he should get credit.

Look I have a lot of respect for harden improving his game over the last five years, he has all the skills but I think the multiple bad close out games and fact he just isn’t figured out how to be a great team mate really hold him back in this conversation.

I give Steph credit, it's really good and he enables a unique type of dominance. But neither he nor KD have a 2006 DWade, 2016, 2018 LeBron, 1991-1993 MJ type of playoff run and that's sort of a differentiator. Curry should've won, and you put Harden on that team instead, they also easily win. I don't see it as some crazy accomplishment is all, especially since he failed or came close to failing when talent was on equal terms.

What failures? Losing to a stacked lebron team?

The only reason the talent is close is IF Curry is a top ten all time talent. Prime lebron, kyrie and love is an incredible cast.

Sure, he’s not Mj or lebron but I’m not arguing he’s the goat. Just head and shoulders above harden, lillard etc and banging on the top ten.

[DCasey91]

Off the top of my head is Jerry West (who actually if there was a comp it would be him) era for era. The dude was pretty efficient even by today’s standards let alone for back in the 60’s. Heavy jump shooter like Curry (pretty as heck jump shot).

He’s one I have no doubt would put up big numbers in today’s league (add on the 3 pointer too yeesh).
Mr.West ain’t a small guard either.

Curry is unbelievable though

[juju14]

[code][/code]

Curry 27-21 0.562
Lillard 29-23 0.558

GSW has one the easiest remaining schedules and Portland one the hardest. Both teams had problems with injuries. GSW has possibility to catch POR in standings. Its shocking if we compare teams.

This is with GS having a way worse team who offense is literally 7th worse ALL TIME when stephs not out there

[JN61]

Will be interesting last few weeks in terms of who wins the scoring title this year. Beal has been trending down when he has embraced team play and getting more wins for his team (he was up to 33 at some point), while Curry has spiked up significantly in last few weeks.

[JN61]

I also don’t understand why he doesn’t get massive credit for the KD wins. That team was arguably the goat team, so much so that everyone complained for years about league parity. Again, we didn’t do the same with lebron, Shaq, Kobe, magic etc who were also all expected to win.

They made a goat candidate on his own stacked team look totally hopeless. The level of dominance is why he should get credit.

Look I have a lot of respect for harden improving his game over the last five years, he has all the skills but I think the multiple bad close out games and fact he just isn’t figured out how to be a great team mate really hold him back in this conversation.

I give Steph credit, it's really good and he enables a unique type of dominance. But neither he nor KD have a 2006 DWade, 2016, 2018 LeBron, 1991-1993 MJ type of playoff run and that's sort of a differentiator. Curry should've won, and you put Harden on that team instead, they also easily win. I don't see it as some crazy accomplishment is all, especially since he failed or came close to failing when talent was on equal terms.

What failures? Losing to a stacked lebron team?

The only reason the talent is close is IF Curry is a top ten all time talent. Prime lebron, kyrie and love is an incredible cast.

Sure, he’s not Mj or lebron but I’m not arguing he’s the goat. Just head and shoulders above harden, lillard etc and banging on the top ten.

2016 Warriors was one of the most stacked teams in the history of this league.. That was all time choke job.