Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3

[SA37]

I think Miami couldn’t get James because:

1.He always WANTED to go to Brooklyn.

2.I don’t know why people keep saying it but it had nothing to do with Tyler being included. The problem was, we didn’t have 4 first round picks to give along with 4 pick swaps. If we had the picks which is what they wanted most, that would’ve been done.

b-b-b-but what about AirP's narrative?

As I stated earlier, Miami could have went out and got draft picks, Brooklyn had to send Allen to get a 1st from Cleveland to send to Houston.

Could Miami have gotten 1-2 1st rounders for Robinson? I'd say yes. Under contract for a low number this year, Bird rights next year.
Could Miami have gotten MORE for Herro on a rookie contract for the next 3 years... I'd also say yes, OKC seemed to want him last year so I'm guessing they'd still be interested in him this year.
Could Miami given OKC some compensation(or included in a Herro trade) to have unlocked another 1st rounder... I'd also say yes.
Give them all the swaps they want, it's going to be a long time before they'd have a team better then Miami with Harden, Butler and Bam to want to make the swap.

BTW... Harden tried to recruit Butler to Houston for a few years(Houston offered Minnesota 4 1st for Butler) and this offseason and Harden said he'd be open to joining Miami, I'm sure he was although it was not his preferred location. He has his money and wants to win a ring for his legacy.

You can forget about that; Riley does not build through the Draft. I can't remember a single trade where Miami made a deal with the purpose of adding draft picks; since Riley has been in Miami, he has traded away A LOT of picks. He wants to win and he knows that means veterans (just look at all the veterans that have rolled through Miami in the last 20 years; it's a pretty impressive list.) The only time I can remember Miami ever trying actively to get into the top-5 of the Draft to get someone was when they tried to get Lamar Odom.

As for your assessment that the Heat's success has been all due to Wade: just about every franchise that has been relevant has needed 1-2 perennial All-NBA HOF to build around (Magic/Worth/Jabbar, Bird/McHale, Jordan/Pippen, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe..etc), so you have a valid point; BUT, you can't just gloss over what Riley has built in Miami.

Miami came into the league the same year as the Hornets and a year before the Magic and the T-Wolves. Compare the franchises' success since their inception. The FAs Miami has been able to sign and the players Miami has been able to trade for is incredible. Miami has become a place where undrafted players have been developed into NBA starters and coaches have gone on to be head coaches in the NBA and NCAA. In the last 30 years, the only teams that can claim that kind of infrastructure and success are the Spurs, the Lakers, and maybe Toronto.

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[twozeroMM]

It's a bit of a bummer to hear the news about Wade. Him being with the Jazz doesnt sit right with me.

[AirP.]

Chicago had 2 max spots open

Exactly, we had 3. Now are you going to move on are you going to continue getting on everybodys nerve crying about **** that is over and done with?

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It's a bit of a bummer to hear the news about Wade. Him being with the Jazz doesnt sit right with me.

Well I just learned of this from your post.



I'll try not to kill the messenger and just be happy for Wade.

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It will be even tougher now for Riley to improve this team, having lost his best recruiter.

A more active role in the region???

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It will be even tougher now for Riley to improve this team, having lost his best recruiter.

We have Jimmy and Bam and some cap space to improve the talent level and the roster mix. We'll be fine.

[AirP.]

You can forget about that; Riley does not build through the Draft. I can't remember a single trade where Miami made a deal with the purpose of adding draft picks; since Riley has been in Miami, he has traded away A LOT of picks. He wants to win and he knows that means veterans (just look at all the veterans that have rolled through Miami in the last 20 years; it's a pretty impressive list.) The only time I can remember Miami ever trying actively to get into the top-5 of the Draft to get someone was when they tried to get Lamar Odom.

As for your assessment that the Heat's success has been all due to Wade: just about every franchise that has been relevant has needed 1-2 perennial All-NBA HOF to build around (Magic/Worth/Jabbar, Bird/McHale, Jordan/Pippen, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe..etc), so you have a valid point; BUT, you can't just gloss over what Riley has built in Miami.

Miami came into the league the same year as the Hornets and a year before the Magic and the T-Wolves. Compare the franchises' success since their inception. The FAs Miami has been able to sign and the players Miami has been able to trade for is incredible. Miami has become a place where undrafted players have been developed into NBA starters and coaches have gone on to be head coaches in the NBA and NCAA. In the last 30 years, the only teams that can claim that kind of infrastructure and success are the Spurs, the Lakers, and maybe Toronto.

Riley moving draft picks for proven players is an attribute I like about him. The draft is such a crap shoot especially the further down you go. I also like the environment he's built, but talking about going whale hunting and having one of the biggest whales available and not giving up more then Brooklyn did seems crazy to me. 3 of the 4 1st round picks will be at the bottom of the 1st round, most if not all of those swaps won't happen which leaves LeVert/Oladipo. I personally believe if you exlcude Butler and Bam, Miami could have come up with a better package then that. Unless Brooklyn tanks for that last pick they gave up, Houston very possibly may not end up with any lottery picks(unless Miami's pick is a lottary pick next year which they can swap with any of their picks in 2022). Miami may have had to gut the team of assets and of course get other teams in involved but I think they could have given up more to Houston for Harden.

Riley has created a great structured environment in Miami and he doesn't tank. I do question with him is his trading but he plays a safer hardball approach. To me he seems to try to use leverage to win the trade by a good amount vs just win the trade, hence his take or leave it offers or just leaving the negotiations when there' probably more that could be negotiated. I'd suspect he's fine not making trades because there is that unknown of how those players would handle the Miami environment. That all being said, you have to look at timeframes also, in 2 offseasons(includes Butler's offseason) since Butler was acquired nothing of note was added to the team, in fact the team was weaker after making the finals. My guess is that Riley didn't understand how good Butler really was since he doesn't put up big points every night, which is also a reason I follow Butler.

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he's not stupid he's enhancing his portfolio. not upset in the slightest about this news

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Maybe they're saving that for UD.

[Kobewade11]

This bozo snitched

[heater4life]

Just send a location so you can get your thick ass tossed up

[HEATVols865]

So Micky says they offered Wade ownership and Wade chooses the polygamists.
First, Wade leaves for Chicago.
Second, he leaves Chicago and joins LeBron
Third, he joins another franchise’s ownership group.

Way to spit on the plate that fed you Dwyane. Without the Heat, you wouldn’t have this dream life you have.

Traitor.


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Maybe they're saving that for UD.

I can't believe that I blew the chance to joke that Dion Waiters was getting the minority stake in the Heat.

[HeatingUp3]

Good for D-Wade. He keeps developing and now a part owner with the Jazz. Interesting choice for him. I would have loved him doing this with the Heat but I think its too much and its bad to mix feelings and business. Too much history. I wish him all the best MV3

[SA37]

Spoiler:

You can forget about that; Riley does not build through the Draft. I can't remember a single trade where Miami made a deal with the purpose of adding draft picks; since Riley has been in Miami, he has traded away A LOT of picks. He wants to win and he knows that means veterans (just look at all the veterans that have rolled through Miami in the last 20 years; it's a pretty impressive list.) The only time I can remember Miami ever trying actively to get into the top-5 of the Draft to get someone was when they tried to get Lamar Odom.

As for your assessment that the Heat's success has been all due to Wade: just about every franchise that has been relevant has needed 1-2 perennial All-NBA HOF to build around (Magic/Worth/Jabbar, Bird/McHale, Jordan/Pippen, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe..etc), so you have a valid point; BUT, you can't just gloss over what Riley has built in Miami.

Miami came into the league the same year as the Hornets and a year before the Magic and the T-Wolves. Compare the franchises' success since their inception. The FAs Miami has been able to sign and the players Miami has been able to trade for is incredible. Miami has become a place where undrafted players have been developed into NBA starters and coaches have gone on to be head coaches in the NBA and NCAA. In the last 30 years, the only teams that can claim that kind of infrastructure and success are the Spurs, the Lakers, and maybe Toronto.

Riley moving draft picks for proven players is an attribute I like about him. The draft is such a crap shoot especially the further down you go. I also like the environment he's built, but talking about going whale hunting and having one of the biggest whales available and not giving up more then Brooklyn did seems crazy to me. 3 of the 4 1st round picks will be at the bottom of the 1st round, most if not all of those swaps won't happen which leaves LeVert/Oladipo. I personally believe if you exlcude Butler and Bam, Miami could have come up with a better package then that. Unless Brooklyn tanks for that last pick they gave up, Houston very possibly may not end up with any lottery picks(unless Miami's pick is a lottary pick next year which they can swap with any of their picks in 2022). Miami may have had to gut the team of assets and of course get other teams in involved but I think they could have given up more to Houston for Harden.

Riley has created a great structured environment in Miami and he doesn't tank. I do question with him is his trading but he plays a safer hardball approach. To me he seems to try to use leverage to win the trade by a good amount vs just win the trade, hence his take or leave it offers or just leaving the negotiations when there' probably more that could be negotiated. I'd suspect he's fine not making trades because there is that unknown of how those players would handle the Miami environment. That all being said, you have to look at timeframes also, in 2 offseasons(includes Butler's offseason) since Butler was acquired nothing of note was added to the team, in fact the team was weaker after making the finals. My guess is that Riley didn't understand how good Butler really was since he doesn't put up big points every night, which is also a reason I follow Butler.

It's hard to say Miami could have beaten Brooklyn's offer by simply offering everyone outside of Butler and Adebayo. Acquiring Robinson wouldn't have made sense for Houston with his impending RFA and the money it will likely cost to keep him. That leaves Achiuwa, Herro, and Nunn (again, RFA). Unless one is really high on Herro, there isn't even a potential All-star in that group. You're also forgetting Philadelphia was in the picture and was supposedly offering a package around Ben Simmons.

Brooklyn's picks may well turn out to be in the lower half of the lottery, but, then again, no one expected Golden St to be in the lottery even when they lost Durant and yet they may end up there for the second year in a row.

Beyond all of the above, I am not sure Miami would have had a realistic way to add enough pieces around Butler, Adebayo, and Harden given how much money would have been committed to the 3 of them (around $100M).

It's easy to complain in hindsight, but a lot of people on this board (and in the Heat FO) were all-in on saving cap space for a run at Giannis. Between that and Crowder not being willing to play along, the Heat were on the losing end of a couple of coin flips.

[contract]

So Micky says they offered Wade ownership and Wade chooses the polygamists.
First, Wade leaves for Chicago.
Second, he leaves Chicago and joins LeBron
Third, he joins another franchise’s ownership group.

Way to spit on the plate that fed you Dwyane. Without the Heat, you wouldn’t have this dream life you have.

Traitor.

Trying to resist making a joke about the Heat retiring #2 in honor of Dwyane Wade.

I guess I failed.

[AirP.]

It's hard to say Miami could have beaten Brooklyn's offer by simply offering everyone outside of Butler and Adebayo. Acquiring Robinson wouldn't have made sense for Houston with his impending RFA and the money it will likely cost to keep him. That leaves Achiuwa, Herro, and Nunn (again, RFA). Unless one is really high on Herro, there isn't even a potential All-star in that group. You're also forgetting Philadelphia was in the picture and was supposedly offering a package around Ben Simmons.

Brooklyn's picks may well turn out to be in the lower half of the lottery, but, then again, no one expected Golden St to be in the lottery even when they lost Durant and yet they may end up there for the second year in a row.

Beyond all of the above, I am not sure Miami would have had a realistic way to add enough pieces around Butler, Adebayo, and Harden given how much money would have been committed to the 3 of them (around $100M).

It's easy to complain in hindsight, but a lot of people on this board (and in the Heat FO) were all-in on saving cap space for a run at Giannis. Between that and Crowder not being willing to play along, the Heat were on the losing end of a couple of coin flips.

Right, Houston's timeline didn't make sense for acquiring Robinson as a player, he would have needed to be rerouted to probably a playoff team to get a pick(s) from where having to send out very little salary and retaining Bird rights make sense.

To me, even though I'm not high on Herro(doubt he's ever an all-star), I'd take Herro vs 3 late 1st round picks and hope 1 or 2 of them become a good play. If those picks Brooklyn gave up were probable mid 1st round picks with a possibly of being 2 or more late lottery picks that's a much different type of compensation.

I've been against the cap space move(figured Giannis would at least sign his supermax before even consider leaving), I also wanted CP3 added after Butler was acquired when checking what he did without Harden playing which were all-star type stats.

Miami may have tried to get M.Morris from LA but the Clippers out bided them this last offseason, but there needed to be a better plan then adding Harkless to hope man the PF position for a team that believed they could contend for a title. Since they struck out in FA I thought they'd at least try to make an early season trade to fix the situation but they didn't. If only Bey would have fallen one more spot.

[Hallstar]

So Micky says they offered Wade ownership and Wade chooses the polygamists.
First, Wade leaves for Chicago.
Second, he leaves Chicago and joins LeBron
Third, he joins another franchise’s ownership group.

Way to spit on the plate that fed you Dwyane. Without the Heat, you wouldn’t have this dream life you have.

Traitor.


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Lol, he should've been GIFTED a stake all the recruitment work he put in for this franchise.