RS 20/21 - Knicks @ Mavs (Friday, 9:30PM EST)

Captain_Obvious · Post #41 » by **Captain_Obvious** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:03 am

Sunday will be Rick's last game if we lose against the Kings

4 straight losses now, I don't care we won one of those by unreal luck

5 straight should do it, go Kings!

leolozon · Post #42 » by **leolozon** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:03 am

Hey Luka, instead of practicing trick shots... practice FTs some more!

Bnice5 · Post #43 » by **Bnice5** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:05 am

This team sucks if the scrubs don’t make open 3s

Archx · Post #44 » by **Archx** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:05 am

Playing Luka and KP entire 3rd Q and then letting them sit when Knics make a run, that's stupid. Jrich playing in the 4th instead of THJ who was hot all game is also something i don't understand.

And same **** as with Derozan, Rick had no clue how to adjust and change their defense on Randle. How do you lose when Luka has 18 assists, that's crazy.

agentofatlas · Post #45 » by **agentofatlas** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:07 am

Absinthe wrote:
Bluelabel24 wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:Rick Carlisle is such a f***ing bum.

these type of games i blame on coaches. i mean its important to not panic and be calm but sometimes you gotta show some emotion out there, not on the locker room, but on the sidelines to get your team amped up. RC no matter what is just this cool as if hes ok with whats happening.

I think Carlisle is a decent coach. I would say he’s a good coach. The problem he has is the roster. He has two above average players in Luka and Porzingis and then there’s a big drop off to players like Hardaway and Brunson. DFS would get limited minutes on a lot of teams. Same goes for Maxi. Same goes for Powell. Same goes for Reddick. Same goes for WCS. Combine the talent drop off with the fact that Porzingis seems like he plays every third game and it’s a headache for any coach. Would Brad Stevens be more successful with this team? Would Steve Kerr? What about Nick Nurse? Or Doc Rivers? Or any coach, really? I’m very doubtful. Very doubtful of that being remotely true. Honestly, if you subtract Luka from this team you’re looking at bottom of the NBA talent. It’s cruel but it’s true. There’s no miracle worker who can save that.

I agree. Rick's not the primary problem of this team. I think everyone here knows the roster is just bad.

It's a bunch of 6th to 12th men as starters. I mean we have bigs who don't really do big man things. 3 and D players who on most night can only do one of those things or none at all and guards who can't run an offense.

The FO really needs to step up this offseason. But with Donnie at the helm, I'm not that optimistic.

Bluelabel24 · Post #46 » by **Bluelabel24** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:11 am

Absinthe wrote:
Bluelabel24 wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:Rick Carlisle is such a f***ing bum.

these type of games i blame on coaches. i mean its important to not panic and be calm but sometimes you gotta show some emotion out there, not on the locker room, but on the sidelines to get your team amped up. RC no matter what is just this cool as if hes ok with whats happening.

I think Carlisle is a decent coach. I would say he’s a good coach. The problem he has is the roster. He has two above average players in Luka and Porzingis and then there’s a big drop off to players like Hardaway and Brunson. DFS would get limited minutes on a lot of teams. Same goes for Maxi. Same goes for Powell. Same goes for Reddick. Same goes for WCS. Combine the talent drop off with the fact that Porzingis seems like he plays every third game and it’s a headache for any coach. Would Brad Stevens be more successful with this team? Would Steve Kerr? What about Nick Nurse? Or Doc Rivers? Or any coach, really? I’m very doubtful. Very doubtful of that being remotely true. Honestly, if you subtract Luka from this team you’re looking at bottom of the NBA talent. It’s cruel but it’s true. There’s no miracle worker who can save that.

roster is part of the problem. But with coaches its not only about playcalling and schemes. A vital part of it is the ability to bring out the best in what you have, giving great pep talks and motivating guys. good example right now is the Grizz(decent overall team, defense/offense/rebounding), they dont even have their 2nd best in JJJ and we are only 1game ahead in the loss column. Im not saying RC is bad, but he has to adjust something immediately, maybe he has tried it behind the scenes, now atleast try it differently. Which is the issue of most fans.. he is unwilling to try other stuff like playing bey even when you got rotation guys playing like garbage.

Post #47 » by **HMFFL** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:11 am

Disappointing loss!
Things won't improve until the roster improves. Cuban and company must wakeup this off-season.

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leolozon · Post #48 » by **leolozon** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:13 am

I really don't like when teams keep fouling down 8 with 24 seconds to go. You've lost, just accept it. It's not being competitive.

It looks like the Knicks could score whenever they wanted too. The Mavs didn't even play bad offensively.

The Blazers won by 1 without Lillard... I thought this was the day the Mavs caught the Blazers, but they end up 2 games behind. WTF...

Golden Knight · Post #49 » by **Golden Knight** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:13 am

A team really has some serious roster problems if a $4M guy is no.2 in the team in minutes-per-game played.

fuller4379 · Post #50 » by **fuller4379** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:14 am

HMFFL wrote:Disappointing loss!
Things won't improve until the roster improves. Cuban and company must wakeup this off-season.

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The problem is that free agents don’t want to come here, and the Mavs are short in draft picks. They can’t trade their way to a good team like they did in the 00s when the Mavs could trade for quality but overpaid players.

Archx · Post #51 » by **Archx** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:17 am

agentofatlas wrote:
Absinthe wrote:
Bluelabel24 wrote:these type of games i blame on coaches. i mean its important to not panic and be calm but sometimes you gotta show some emotion out there, not on the locker room, but on the sidelines to get your team amped up. RC no matter what is just this cool as if hes ok with whats happening.

I think Carlisle is a decent coach. I would say he’s a good coach. The problem he has is the roster. He has two above average players in Luka and Porzingis and then there’s a big drop off to players like Hardaway and Brunson. DFS would get limited minutes on a lot of teams. Same goes for Maxi. Same goes for Powell. Same goes for Reddick. Same goes for WCS. Combine the talent drop off with the fact that Porzingis seems like he plays every third game and it’s a headache for any coach. Would Brad Stevens be more successful with this team? Would Steve Kerr? What about Nick Nurse? Or Doc Rivers? Or any coach, really? I’m very doubtful. Very doubtful of that being remotely true. Honestly, if you subtract Luka from this team you’re looking at bottom of the NBA talent. It’s cruel but it’s true. There’s no miracle worker who can save that.

I agree. Rick's not the primary problem of this team. I think everyone here knows the roster is just bad.

It's a bunch of 6th to 12th men as starters. I mean we have bigs who don't really do big man things. 3 and D players who on most night can only do one of those things or none at all and guards who can't run an offense.

The FO really needs to step up this offseason. But with Donnie at the helm, I'm not that optimistic.

So if i understand correctly. You're saying Knicks have a better roster than the Mavs, and the difference is, Knicks players themselves figured out how to limit Doncic's drive to the rim, while Rick didn't have the right players to limit Randle and Derozan before?

But in all seriousness, you are right, Luka and JJ were the only ones with positive +/-. Still i think this game would have been a lot different if Rick didn't wait until Knicks made that run in the 4th while Powell couldn't even grab a rebound on defense and Brunson was stinking it up on offense.

Fat Kat · Post #52 » by **Fat Kat** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:22 am

Dirk wrote:Puttting it simple: This is personal. Game of the season.

Good game

dirkforpres · Post #53 » by **dirkforpres** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:23 am

HMFFL wrote:Disappointing loss!
Things won't improve until the roster improves. Cuban and company must wakeup this off-season.

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Useless coach and useless GM plus no 1st rounder. Don’t hold your breath.

We will probably just sign an old Marc Gasol and assume that fixes all problems

leolozon · Post #54 » by **leolozon** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:23 am

Couldn't they have put a bigger body on Randle? Or double him sooner.

Randle had a great game, but it's like there was no defense. Tyler Bey could potentially be useful against a guy like Randle, but the team never bothered to give him some playing time.

Let's draft some defensive guys because we want defense, but let's never play them and instead play bad defensive guys.

dirkforpres · Post #55 » by **dirkforpres** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:29 am

leolozon wrote:Couldn't they have put a bigger body on Randle? Or double him sooner.

Randle had a great game, but it's like there was no defense. Tyler Bey could potentially be useful against a guy like Randle, but the team never even bothered to give him some playing time.

Lol bro do you know who our coach is? We don’t ever make defensive adjustments regardless of how logical it is

boogiezen · Post #56 » by **boogiezen** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:29 am

How can you let BOTH KP and Luka sit at the start of 4th quarter? Hahahahaha Rick!

Apz · Post #57 » by **Apz** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:34 am

Well, that was a **** show

Absinthe · Post #58 » by **Absinthe** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:52 am

Bluelabel24 wrote:
Absinthe wrote:
Bluelabel24 wrote:these type of games i blame on coaches. i mean its important to not panic and be calm but sometimes you gotta show some emotion out there, not on the locker room, but on the sidelines to get your team amped up. RC no matter what is just this cool as if hes ok with whats happening.

I think Carlisle is a decent coach. I would say he’s a good coach. The problem he has is the roster. He has two above average players in Luka and Porzingis and then there’s a big drop off to players like Hardaway and Brunson. DFS would get limited minutes on a lot of teams. Same goes for Maxi. Same goes for Powell. Same goes for Reddick. Same goes for WCS. Combine the talent drop off with the fact that Porzingis seems like he plays every third game and it’s a headache for any coach. Would Brad Stevens be more successful with this team? Would Steve Kerr? What about Nick Nurse? Or Doc Rivers? Or any coach, really? I’m very doubtful. Very doubtful of that being remotely true. Honestly, if you subtract Luka from this team you’re looking at bottom of the NBA talent. It’s cruel but it’s true. There’s no miracle worker who can save that.

roster is part of the problem. But with coaches its not only about playcalling and schemes. A vital part of it is the ability to bring out the best in what you have, giving great pep talks and motivating guys. good example right now is the Grizz(decent overall team, defense/offense/rebounding), they dont even have their 2nd best in JJJ and we are only 1game ahead in the loss column. Im not saying RC is bad, but he has to adjust something immediately, maybe he has tried it behind the scenes, now atleast try it differently. Which is the issue of most fans.. he is unwilling to try other stuff like playing bey even when you got rotation guys playing like garbage.

I partially agree. He doesn’t do well with defensive adjustments and rotations. It’s probably his worst trait as a coach. On the other hand, pep talks and motivation only works when you have the talent to supplement it. Like I said earlier, I would consider four players on this team to be solid rotational pieces. Four. This team can’t even field a starting five of solid pieces. And they won’t be able to unless free agency pans out or they make a trade. Players like DFS, WCS, Reddick, etc. would be fine pieces on teams where coaches can adjust based on a game to game basis. Carlisle doesn’t have that luxury on this team. He’s having to play middling players in some cases major minutes. And any other coach would have to do the same exact thing with the personnel they’re given.

arkuo · Post #59 » by **arkuo** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:01 am

This is a bad look on Cuban and Luka. Coming out and complaining about the play in setup of the season yet they cant win supposedly winnable games. They'll just come off as whiny.

Absinthe · Post #60 » by **Absinthe** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:20 am

arkuo wrote:This is a bad look on Cuban and Luka. Coming out and complaining about the play in setup of the season yet they cant win supposedly winnable games. They'll just come off as whiny.

The play in is dumb and the truncated schedule has caused so many injuries it’s ridiculous.