Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread

[RookieStar]

That might have been true before all the trades but now that Vuc and AG are gone, if we are looking at a draft position where Cade, Suggs and Green are gone and Mobley is available I think many will be wise enough to accept him as the BPA for this new roster.

Mobley is a much better prospect than Mo but if we miss out on another Doncic (who just hit another buzzer beater 3 for the win 2 minutes ago) and draft another big that isn't much of a difference maker, most of the fanbase is going to disappear.

That said, drafting Mobley wouldn't be the end of the world. Especially if we can land a guard with the bulls pick.

What is the difference between Mobley, and Isaiah Jackson? Mobley had much more PT, is there really that much difference?
Mobley better Offensively, Jackson better on Defense. I'd argue Jackson is better suited to play a switching defense, he is quite agile.
One is top 4, the other rd 2.

Jackson was asked to play a particular role and not much else. I mean for big man offense they went through Sarr not him. All he had to do was defend rebound block and what-not.And if he faltered, Sarr the 7 foot upperclassman was there to cover for it. Mobley though.. everything, both offense and offense he was the main focal point.Some teams had to make Mobley tired on defense just so they can stop his offense and utilize his passing game more.

[Nyce_1]

Trust me I am freaking out too, but I think its funny that we are freaking out about the Bulls pick not conveying and the Magic pick falling out the top 5.

If you think Bulls can get top 4 pick. Why cant we? Haha my heart is going to be in my stomach when they reveal the draft order.

I am probably being naive and just optimistic for wrong reasons but I got a good feeling about this year.

Which posters fall into this category of believing the Bulls will get a Top 4 pick and Magic won't? Not me.

I'm one.

I think that 7th spot is the sweetspot to jump.

[Skybox]

What is the upside for Suggs? Dwayne Wade?

I like him after Cade. I like the toughness, the football background, the two-way play, and I LOVE that GONZAGA pedigree. He seems, IMO, like he could be a better (statistically) pro than college player because he's been an unselfish winner, even as the best player on a great team. I could see him really spreading his wings in the NBA...he appears to have the "it" factor.

How do you all like a Fultz/Suggs backcourt? Like most here, I'm certainly not drafting "around" Fultz but Fultz is big enough and versatile enough to play alongside a combo guard, IMO. I don't think drafting Suggs would necessarily be a slap at Fultz.

All of the top 5 have big upside and can be debated, but Suggs is solid at #2 behind Cade for me. Convince me or not...

[basketballRob]

My dream scenario would be for us to get the 2 pick, and trade him to OKC for the 4 and 9.

I'd also consider the 5 and 6 for the 2nd pick.

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[Nyce_1]

My dream scenario would be for us to get the 2 pick, and trade him to OKC for the 4 and 9.

I'd also consider the 5 and 6 for the 2nd pick.

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so your dream is for us to bring in 3 top 10 rookies? None of which are Cade or Green?

[MoMM]

My dream scenario would be for us to get the 2 pick, and trade him to OKC for the 4 and 9.

I'd also consider the 5 and 6 for the 2nd pick.

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so your dream is for us to bring in 3 top 10 rookies? None of which are Cade or Green?

Sounds the recipe for failure to me.

[basketballRob]

My dream scenario would be for us to get the 2 pick, and trade him to OKC for the 4 and 9.

I'd also consider the 5 and 6 for the 2nd pick.

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so your dream is for us to bring in 3 top 10 rookies? None of which are Cade or Green?

I'd consider trading Green for Kuminga and Barnes, Moody, or Keon.

If we got the second pick we'd probably take Suggs or Mobley.

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[Rainwater]

I really hope the Magic focus on the guard positions in this draft. The front court is pretty much good to go,

[zaymon]

What is the upside for Suggs? Dwayne Wade?

I like him after Cade. I like the toughness, the football background, the two-way play, and I LOVE that GONZAGA pedigree. He seems, IMO, like he could be a better (statistically) pro than college player because he's been an unselfish winner, even as the best player on a great team. I could see him really spreading his wings in the NBA...he appears to have the "it" factor.

How do you all like a Fultz/Suggs backcourt? Like most here, I'm certainly not drafting "around" Fultz but Fultz is big enough and versatile enough to play alongside a combo guard, IMO. I don't think drafting Suggs would necessarily be a slap at Fultz.

All of the top 5 have big upside and can be debated, but Suggs is solid at #2 behind Cade for me. Convince me or not...

Someone between George Hill and Jrue Holiday ? Shooting is lacking with Fultz + Suggs.

[Knightro]

What is the upside for Suggs? Dwayne Wade?

I like him after Cade. I like the toughness, the football background, the two-way play, and I LOVE that GONZAGA pedigree. He seems, IMO, like he could be a better (statistically) pro than college player because he's been an unselfish winner, even as the best player on a great team. I could see him really spreading his wings in the NBA...he appears to have the "it" factor.

How do you all like a Fultz/Suggs backcourt? Like most here, I'm certainly not drafting "around" Fultz but Fultz is big enough and versatile enough to play alongside a combo guard, IMO. I don't think drafting Suggs would necessarily be a slap at Fultz.

All of the top 5 have big upside and can be debated, but Suggs is solid at #2 behind Cade for me. Convince me or not...

Someone between George Hill and Jrue Holiday ? Shooting is lacking with Fultz + Suggs.

For me personally, drafting Suggs very likely means the end of Fultz in Orlando.

If they want to spend a year trying to play them together and see if it works, so be it. The Magic aren’t going to good next year anyway.

But ultimately if I’m drafting Suggs, it’s under the assumption that he is capable of being the main facilitator engine PG. If I didn’t think he could be that, if I thought he was more of a combo guard, I wouldn’t be nearly as interested.

And if they pick Suggs and he is that engine PG, then 16M is a hefty price to pay for a backup PG or an off ball non-shooter in Fultz. So he’d likely have to be shipped out in relatively short order.

[RookieStar]

What is the upside for Suggs? Dwayne Wade?

I like him after Cade. I like the toughness, the football background, the two-way play, and I LOVE that GONZAGA pedigree. He seems, IMO, like he could be a better (statistically) pro than college player because he's been an unselfish winner, even as the best player on a great team. I could see him really spreading his wings in the NBA...he appears to have the "it" factor.

How do you all like a Fultz/Suggs backcourt? Like most here, I'm certainly not drafting "around" Fultz but Fultz is big enough and versatile enough to play alongside a combo guard, IMO. I don't think drafting Suggs would necessarily be a slap at Fultz.

All of the top 5 have big upside and can be debated, but Suggs is solid at #2 behind Cade for me. Convince me or not...

Upside? We haven't seen him unleashed as a scorer. Meaning we don\'t know all his offensive moves. Whether you believe it or not, some say the reason didnt score as much is because he joined as a freshman , a powerhouse school with championship aspiration , WITH already existing and established upperclassmen in the league (NCAA). Thus, some say he was forced to defer a lot to them ( Timme, Kisper)

As for Fultz/Suggs background? It could definitely work. I mean a 6'4 PG with a 6'5 Off-Guard is pretty normal and not undersized anymore. Our passing, dribbling and penetration will be elite. Suggs also has 3pt range which he didnt showcase a lot but which he would in the league especially if we make it known we need it from him to keep the defense honest.

[tiderulz]

What is the upside for Suggs? Dwayne Wade?

I like him after Cade. I like the toughness, the football background, the two-way play, and I LOVE that GONZAGA pedigree. He seems, IMO, like he could be a better (statistically) pro than college player because he's been an unselfish winner, even as the best player on a great team. I could see him really spreading his wings in the NBA...he appears to have the "it" factor.

How do you all like a Fultz/Suggs backcourt? Like most here, I'm certainly not drafting "around" Fultz but Fultz is big enough and versatile enough to play alongside a combo guard, IMO. I don't think drafting Suggs would necessarily be a slap at Fultz.

All of the top 5 have big upside and can be debated, but Suggs is solid at #2 behind Cade for me. Convince me or not...

Upside? We haven't seen him unleashed as a scorer. Meaning we don\'t know all his offensive moves. Whether you believe it or not, some say the reason didnt score as much is because he joined as a freshman , a powerhouse school with championship aspiration , WITH already existing and established upperclassmen in the league (NCAA). Thus, some say he was forced to defer a lot to them ( Timme, Kisper)

As for Fultz/Suggs background? It could definitely work. I mean a 6'4 PG with a 6'5 Off-Guard is pretty normal and not undersized anymore. Our passing, dribbling and penetration will be elite. Suggs also has 3pt range which he didnt showcase a lot but which he would in the league especially if we make it known we need it from him to keep the defense honest.

I believe there is upside in Suggs. but he didnt join some super established team. Timme was a sophomore this year, Ayayi a JR but an average junior not some star, Watson was a sophomore. Kispert was a senior. so starting lineup was Freshman, 2 Sophomores, a Junior and a Senior. Suggs is an okay but not great 3 pt shooter and will need to work on that, but that is a small thing to pick on. I wouldnt have any problem drafting him

[Magic#1]

What is the upside for Suggs? Dwayne Wade?

I like him after Cade. I like the toughness, the football background, the two-way play, and I LOVE that GONZAGA pedigree. He seems, IMO, like he could be a better (statistically) pro than college player because he's been an unselfish winner, even as the best player on a great team. I could see him really spreading his wings in the NBA...he appears to have the "it" factor.

How do you all like a Fultz/Suggs backcourt? Like most here, I'm certainly not drafting "around" Fultz but Fultz is big enough and versatile enough to play alongside a combo guard, IMO. I don't think drafting Suggs would necessarily be a slap at Fultz.

All of the top 5 have big upside and can be debated, but Suggs is solid at #2 behind Cade for me. Convince me or not...

I see a lot of Wade in him. He certainly has those intangibles and the athleticism is in the realm. But whether his scoring can really become next level is the question. Already with Fultz, Hampton and Cole you can make the argument Suggs isn't our biggest need, but he should absolutely be in the conversation for anybody in the 2-4 range. Green would probably be a better fit for our roster and may be more talented, but you can't teach the intangibles and leadership Suggs has. He's got leadership, toughness and makes other players better.

[p0peye]

If we find ourselves worrying about fit between whoever we draft and whoever on our current roster, something went wrong and we pretty much are better off trading the pick packaged with anyone from our roster.

[axl_c_cool]

Any one of Cade/Suggs/Green/Mobley should be picked if we're in the top 4 and whoever misses out on the roster misses out. They are traded or move to the bench.

All 4 of those guys are franchise players, and our roster would need to fit around them, in my opinion

What is the upside for Suggs? Dwayne Wade?

I like him after Cade. I like the toughness, the football background, the two-way play, and I LOVE that GONZAGA pedigree. He seems, IMO, like he could be a better (statistically) pro than college player because he's been an unselfish winner, even as the best player on a great team. I could see him really spreading his wings in the NBA...he appears to have the "it" factor.

How do you all like a Fultz/Suggs backcourt? Like most here, I'm certainly not drafting "around" Fultz but Fultz is big enough and versatile enough to play alongside a combo guard, IMO. I don't think drafting Suggs would necessarily be a slap at Fultz.

All of the top 5 have big upside and can be debated, but Suggs is solid at #2 behind Cade for me. Convince me or not...

I see a lot of Wade in him. He certainly has those intangibles and the athleticism is in the realm. But whether his scoring can really become next level is the question. Already with Fultz, Hampton and Cole you can make the argument Suggs isn't our biggest need, but he should absolutely be in the conversation for anybody in the 2-4 range. Green would probably be a better fit for our roster and may be more talented, but you can't teach the intangibles and leadership Suggs has. He's got leadership, toughness and makes other players better.

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[axl_c_cool]

We'd have 2 seasons to try and make it work and/or move Fultz for some assets.

My ideal (semi/quarter) realistic scenario would be Green falls (showhow) to the Bulls pick at #8 and we draft Mobley 2-4 range

Fultz/Cole
Green/Harris
Isaac/Ross
Mobley/Okeke
WCJ/Bamba

I know its extremely unlikely though

What is the upside for Suggs? Dwayne Wade?

I like him after Cade. I like the toughness, the football background, the two-way play, and I LOVE that GONZAGA pedigree. He seems, IMO, like he could be a better (statistically) pro than college player because he's been an unselfish winner, even as the best player on a great team. I could see him really spreading his wings in the NBA...he appears to have the "it" factor.

How do you all like a Fultz/Suggs backcourt? Like most here, I'm certainly not drafting "around" Fultz but Fultz is big enough and versatile enough to play alongside a combo guard, IMO. I don't think drafting Suggs would necessarily be a slap at Fultz.

All of the top 5 have big upside and can be debated, but Suggs is solid at #2 behind Cade for me. Convince me or not...

Someone between George Hill and Jrue Holiday ? Shooting is lacking with Fultz + Suggs.

For me personally, drafting Suggs very likely means the end of Fultz in Orlando.

If they want to spend a year trying to play them together and see if it works, so be it. The Magic aren’t going to good next year anyway.

But ultimately if I’m drafting Suggs, it’s under the assumption that he is capable of being the main facilitator engine PG. If I didn’t think he could be that, if I thought he was more of a combo guard, I wouldn’t be nearly as interested.

And if they pick Suggs and he is that engine PG, then 16M is a hefty price to pay for a backup PG or an off ball non-shooter in Fultz. So he’d likely have to be shipped out in relatively short order.

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[RookieStar]

We'd have 2 seasons to try and make it work and/or move Fultz for some assets.

My ideal (semi/quarter) realistic scenario would be Green falls (showhow) to the Bulls pick at #8 and we draft Mobley 2-4 range

Fultz/Cole
Green/Harris
Isaac/Ross
Mobley/Okeke
WCJ/Bamba

I know its extremely unlikely though

Someone between George Hill and Jrue Holiday ? Shooting is lacking with Fultz + Suggs.

For me personally, drafting Suggs very likely means the end of Fultz in Orlando.

If they want to spend a year trying to play them together and see if it works, so be it. The Magic aren’t going to good next year anyway.

But ultimately if I’m drafting Suggs, it’s under the assumption that he is capable of being the main facilitator engine PG. If I didn’t think he could be that, if I thought he was more of a combo guard, I wouldn’t be nearly as interested.

And if they pick Suggs and he is that engine PG, then 16M is a hefty price to pay for a backup PG or an off ball non-shooter in Fultz. So he’d likely have to be shipped out in relatively short order.

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Well... I really dont think there is a scenario wherein Green goes outside top-4 much less being available in the 8th spot.

[RookieStar]

What is the upside for Suggs? Dwayne Wade?

I like him after Cade. I like the toughness, the football background, the two-way play, and I LOVE that GONZAGA pedigree. He seems, IMO, like he could be a better (statistically) pro than college player because he's been an unselfish winner, even as the best player on a great team. I could see him really spreading his wings in the NBA...he appears to have the "it" factor.

How do you all like a Fultz/Suggs backcourt? Like most here, I'm certainly not drafting "around" Fultz but Fultz is big enough and versatile enough to play alongside a combo guard, IMO. I don't think drafting Suggs would necessarily be a slap at Fultz.

All of the top 5 have big upside and can be debated, but Suggs is solid at #2 behind Cade for me. Convince me or not...

I see a lot of Wade in him. He certainly has those intangibles and the athleticism is in the realm. But whether his scoring can really become next level is the question. Already with Fultz, Hampton and Cole you can make the argument Suggs isn't our biggest need, but he should absolutely be in the conversation for anybody in the 2-4 range. Green would probably be a better fit for our roster and may be more talented, but you can't teach the intangibles and leadership Suggs has. He's got leadership, toughness and makes other players better.

Actually, watching the past few games... Suggs ball-handling and passing is actually something we lack with Fultz out.

RJ easily loses the ball or gets pickpocketed
Cole has horse-blinders on when he sees the rim
MCW.. is a defending off-guard

As for Green being the biggest need.... I would argue that although his "potential" go-to scoring ability is something we lack right NOW, we have 3 SGs over 1 "real" PG in Fultz. And there is no-way I can see Green being able to play PG.

[MagicFan101]

What is the upside for Suggs? Dwayne Wade?

I like him after Cade. I like the toughness, the football background, the two-way play, and I LOVE that GONZAGA pedigree. He seems, IMO, like he could be a better (statistically) pro than college player because he's been an unselfish winner, even as the best player on a great team. I could see him really spreading his wings in the NBA...he appears to have the "it" factor.

How do you all like a Fultz/Suggs backcourt? Like most here, I'm certainly not drafting "around" Fultz but Fultz is big enough and versatile enough to play alongside a combo guard, IMO. I don't think drafting Suggs would necessarily be a slap at Fultz.

All of the top 5 have big upside and can be debated, but Suggs is solid at #2 behind Cade for me. Convince me or not...

I see a lot of Wade in him. He certainly has those intangibles and the athleticism is in the realm. But whether his scoring can really become next level is the question. Already with Fultz, Hampton and Cole you can make the argument Suggs isn't our biggest need, but he should absolutely be in the conversation for anybody in the 2-4 range. Green would probably be a better fit for our roster and may be more talented, but you can't teach the intangibles and leadership Suggs has. He's got leadership, toughness and makes other players better.

Actually, watching the past few games... Suggs ball-handling and passing is actually something we lack with Fultz out.

RJ easily loses the ball or gets pickpocketed
Cole has horse-blinders on when he sees the rim
MCW.. is a defending off-guard

As for Green being the biggest need.... I would argue that although his "potential" go-to scoring ability is something we lack right NOW, we have 3 SGs over 1 "real" PG in Fultz. And there is no-way I can see Green being able to play PG.

How many of those SGs are you confident in leading us to the promised land over the next decade?

I don’t care how many role players we have at a position right now. I want a FRANCHISE CHANGING SUPER STAR. What is so hard to understand about this?

I don’t care what position that guy plays but I’m done settling for anything less than a super star. We need to go full scorched earth on this rebuild until we find that guy.

[RookieStar]

I see a lot of Wade in him. He certainly has those intangibles and the athleticism is in the realm. But whether his scoring can really become next level is the question. Already with Fultz, Hampton and Cole you can make the argument Suggs isn't our biggest need, but he should absolutely be in the conversation for anybody in the 2-4 range. Green would probably be a better fit for our roster and may be more talented, but you can't teach the intangibles and leadership Suggs has. He's got leadership, toughness and makes other players better.

Actually, watching the past few games... Suggs ball-handling and passing is actually something we lack with Fultz out.

RJ easily loses the ball or gets pickpocketed
Cole has horse-blinders on when he sees the rim
MCW.. is a defending off-guard

As for Green being the biggest need.... I would argue that although his "potential" go-to scoring ability is something we lack right NOW, we have 3 SGs over 1 "real" PG in Fultz. And there is no-way I can see Green being able to play PG.

How many of those SGs are you confident in leading us to the promised land over the next decade?

I don’t care how many role players we have at a position right now. I want a FRANCHISE CHANGING SUPER STAR. What is so hard to understand about this?

I don’t care what position that guy plays but I’m done settling for anything less than a super star. We need to go full scorched earth on this rebuild until we find that guy.

EXACTLY. More than "go-to-scorer" or " ball-handling" or " shades of kobe" we NEED a Tier-1 SUPERSTAR. However, as previously been discussed/argued.. this draft has ( for me ) 3 potential SUPERSTAR which brings something different to the table. Now here is where we Magic fans argue about which of the 3 is best. Cuz as I previously stated Green and Suggs are pretty much a wash in terms of potential superstar ( my opinion ) its just that Green is a SG that brings scoring while Suggs is a OG that brings handling,court general and somewhat scoring.