Randle vs. Porzingis

[Clyde Frazier]

Randle is pretty overrated at this point but Porzingis just isn't someone you can have as one of your franchise pillars.

How can he be overrated putting up 23/10/6 with 57 TS%? What does he have to do give you 2 BPG & 2 SPG also?

Well for one he plays for the Knicks and anytime someone plays competently for them they get way too much hype (see: Porzingis) for another Thibs is playing him a crazy amount of minutes which inflates his numbers.

He’s not even averaging the most points or rebounds per minute or highest ts% of his career. But he did that for the Pelicans playing the amount of minutes he should be playing so no one cared.

I’m not saying he’s a bad player but those are classic hallmarks of someone being overrated. The Knicks have a bad offense and Randle plays a huge role in that.

To put it simply: you're painting a completely inaccurate picture because you don't watch knicks games. The knicks came into the season with an over/under of 22.5 wins and their success is a direct result of randle changing his mentality and style of play on *both ends* under thibs. Last season all they did was feed him in the post where he'd get doubled and force up shots or turn the ball over.

This year he makes much quicker decisions the ball, plays downhill and yes he's having a career year shooting from outside. The offense ranks where it does due to overall roster composition, not because of randle. All you have to do is look at the lineup data. The team success speaks for itself relative to expectations. You compare him in NOLA to NY as far as being overrated, yet conveniently ignore that he played with holiday and anythony davis. His responsibility here is wildly different.

[Sixerscan]

Randle having to be a top option sides with the making a terrible offense slightly better rather than Randle making the offense bad. Making the offense bad implies there are better alternatives / decisions to be made on the court . Randle is much more maximizing the Knicks offense than hindering it.

Guy is averaging 6 assist a game. Saying Randle is a huge factor in Knicks offense being bad is just way off base.

Right, which is why I clarified that the role he has to play is a huge factor in why their offense is bad. The role he has to play (and the number of minutes he plays) is also why he averages the points and assists he does. If they had a real point guard and he wasn’t playing like 10-15% more minutes per game than other players his numbers would be less impressive but it wouldn’t make him a worse player.

Clearly he is better at basketball than like Obi Toppin but when we’re talking about him as MIP, an all star, maybe all nba you’re comparing him to the rest of the league.

randle role is improving a worse offense, his role isnt what makes the offense bad.
You are trying to be a soothsayer , the logic is circular. his role in the offense is is not the reason they are bad, its bad without his role and his role only amplifies the offenses effectiveness.

Him not being good enough at that role contributes to the offense being bad relative to the rest of the league. Almost every game the team they are going against has a better first option.

Again this isn’t about comparing him to other worse offensive players on the Knicks.

[Sixerscan]

How can he be overrated putting up 23/10/6 with 57 TS%? What does he have to do give you 2 BPG & 2 SPG also?

Well for one he plays for the Knicks and anytime someone plays competently for them they get way too much hype (see: Porzingis) for another Thibs is playing him a crazy amount of minutes which inflates his numbers.

He’s not even averaging the most points or rebounds per minute or highest ts% of his career. But he did that for the Pelicans playing the amount of minutes he should be playing so no one cared.

I’m not saying he’s a bad player but those are classic hallmarks of someone being overrated. The Knicks have a bad offense and Randle plays a huge role in that.

To put it simply: you're painting a completely inaccurate picture because you don't watch knicks games. The knicks came into the season with an over/under of 22.5 wins and their success is a direct result of randle changing his mentality and style of play on *both ends* under thibs. Last season all they did was feed him in the post where he'd get doubled and force up shots or turn the ball over.

This year he makes much quicker decisions the ball, plays downhill and yes he's having a career year shooting from outside. The offense ranks where it does due to overall roster composition, not because of randle. All you have to do is look at the lineup data. The team success speaks for itself relative to expectations. You compare him in NOLA to NY as far as being overrated, yet conveniently ignore that he played with holiday and anythony davis. His responsibility here is wildly different.

Lol I watch Knicks games. Maybe you don’t watch the rest of the league enough if you think he’s good enough to be a first option in a good offense. Almost every team in the league has a guy dropping 20 these days.

I brought up the pelicans stats because the original guy that responded to me brought up his box score stats like they were de facto impressive. Funny none of you take issue with him doing that but when I just respond clearly I’m just looking at basketball reference.

The Knicks have done a great job getting everything they can out of that roster, and Randle is getting an outsized amount of credit for it because he’s the leading scorer. It happens all the time, with the added bonus of people getting more excited whenever the knicks are decent compared to like the Magic or something.

[bearadonisdna]

Right, which is why I clarified that the role he has to play is a huge factor in why their offense is bad. The role he has to play (and the number of minutes he plays) is also why he averages the points and assists he does. If they had a real point guard and he wasn’t playing like 10-15% more minutes per game than other players his numbers would be less impressive but it wouldn’t make him a worse player.

Clearly he is better at basketball than like Obi Toppin but when we’re talking about him as MIP, an all star, maybe all nba you’re comparing him to the rest of the league.

randle role is improving a worse offense, his role isnt what makes the offense bad.
You are trying to be a soothsayer , the logic is circular. his role in the offense is is not the reason they are bad, its bad without his role and his role only amplifies the offenses effectiveness.

Him not being good enough at that role contributes to the offense being bad relative to the rest of the league. Almost every game the team they are going against has a better first option.

Again this isn’t about comparing him to other worse offensive players on the Knicks.

he is playing his role at an allstar level, suggesting he can be better or do more is splitting hairs

[Sixerscan]

randle role is improving a worse offense, his role isnt what makes the offense bad.
You are trying to be a soothsayer , the logic is circular. his role in the offense is is not the reason they are bad, its bad without his role and his role only amplifies the offenses effectiveness.

Him not being good enough at that role contributes to the offense being bad relative to the rest of the league. Almost every game the team they are going against has a better first option.

Again this isn’t about comparing him to other worse offensive players on the Knicks.

he is playing his role at an allstar level, suggesting he ca be better or do more is splitting hairs

Well that’s kind of my point, he’s not playing an at all star level and he made it over better players like Butler, Bam, Middleton and so (along with just being in the weaker conference) because he’s overrated and people wanted to reward the Knicks for playing well.

[Ito]

Randle should be an mvp candidate this season

[bearadonisdna]

Him not being good enough at that role contributes to the offense being bad relative to the rest of the league. Almost every game the team they are going against has a better first option.

Again this isn’t about comparing him to other worse offensive players on the Knicks.

he is playing his role at an allstar level, suggesting he ca be better or do more is splitting hairs

Well that’s kind of my point, he’s not playing an at all star level and he made it over better players like Butler, Bam, Middleton and so (along with just being in the weaker conference) because he’s overrated and people wanted to reward the Knicks for playing well.

thats mostly conjecture, you're throwing around overrated and your opinions of who deserved his spot over him.

the knicks have been pushing the 4th seed throughout the season , even before the break. he earned his spot even if you think 'x' player is better on a worse team like the heat who were struggling pre allstar break

[Couch Potato]

I take Randle. He found another gear to his game. KP leveled off and still has random injuries.

[Clyde Frazier]

Well for one he plays for the Knicks and anytime someone plays competently for them they get way too much hype (see: Porzingis) for another Thibs is playing him a crazy amount of minutes which inflates his numbers.

He’s not even averaging the most points or rebounds per minute or highest ts% of his career. But he did that for the Pelicans playing the amount of minutes he should be playing so no one cared.

I’m not saying he’s a bad player but those are classic hallmarks of someone being overrated. The Knicks have a bad offense and Randle plays a huge role in that.

To put it simply: you're painting a completely inaccurate picture because you don't watch knicks games. The knicks came into the season with an over/under of 22.5 wins and their success is a direct result of randle changing his mentality and style of play on *both ends* under thibs. Last season all they did was feed him in the post where he'd get doubled and force up shots or turn the ball over.

This year he makes much quicker decisions the ball, plays downhill and yes he's having a career year shooting from outside. The offense ranks where it does due to overall roster composition, not because of randle. All you have to do is look at the lineup data. The team success speaks for itself relative to expectations. You compare him in NOLA to NY as far as being overrated, yet conveniently ignore that he played with holiday and anythony davis. His responsibility here is wildly different.

Lol I watch Knicks games. Maybe you don’t watch the rest of the league enough if you think he’s good enough to be a first option in a good offense. Almost every team in the league has a guy dropping 20 these days.

I brought up the pelicans stats because the original guy that responded to me brought up his box score stats like they were de facto impressive. Funny none of you take issue with him doing that but when I just respond clearly I’m just looking at basketball reference.

The Knicks have done a great job getting everything they can out of that roster, and Randle is getting an outsized amount of credit for it because he’s the leading scorer. It happens all the time, with the added bonus of people getting more excited whenever the knicks are decent compared to like the Magic or something.

You clearly don't watch with any regularity. Focusing on how many guys are dropping 20 these days and him leading the team in scoring completely ignores his playmaking, especially for spot up 3PT shooters. Not to mention his contribution to the defense like I already said. The knicks have good rim protection but also thrive on trapping and randle's combo of strength and quickness allows him to cover a number of spots. He's also taken on a leadership role and his teammates have embraced it. All you're doing is defaulting to randle is overrated because he plays for the knicks.

[DrCoach]

KP is a unicorn but he is injury prone and seems to be a diva, Julius is a beast and built for NY

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[Ito]

Another good W and game for Randle.. I’m telling you he should be in the mvp conversation

[Governor Dudley]

To put it simply: you're painting a completely inaccurate picture because you don't watch knicks games. The knicks came into the season with an over/under of 22.5 wins and their success is a direct result of randle changing his mentality and style of play on *both ends* under thibs. Last season all they did was feed him in the post where he'd get doubled and force up shots or turn the ball over.

This year he makes much quicker decisions the ball, plays downhill and yes he's having a career year shooting from outside. The offense ranks where it does due to overall roster composition, not because of randle. All you have to do is look at the lineup data. The team success speaks for itself relative to expectations. You compare him in NOLA to NY as far as being overrated, yet conveniently ignore that he played with holiday and anythony davis. His responsibility here is wildly different.

Lol I watch Knicks games. Maybe you don’t watch the rest of the league enough if you think he’s good enough to be a first option in a good offense. Almost every team in the league has a guy dropping 20 these days.

I brought up the pelicans stats because the original guy that responded to me brought up his box score stats like they were de facto impressive. Funny none of you take issue with him doing that but when I just respond clearly I’m just looking at basketball reference.

The Knicks have done a great job getting everything they can out of that roster, and Randle is getting an outsized amount of credit for it because he’s the leading scorer. It happens all the time, with the added bonus of people getting more excited whenever the knicks are decent compared to like the Magic or something.

You clearly don't watch with any regularity. Focusing on how many guys are dropping 20 these days and him leading the team in scoring completely ignores his playmaking, especially for spot up 3PT shooters. Not to mention his contribution to the defense like I already said. The knicks have good rim protection but also thrive on trapping and randle's combo of strength and quickness allows him to cover a number or spots. He's also taken on a leadership role and his teammates have embraced it. All you're doing is defaulting to randle is overrated because he plays for the knicks.

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[NY 567]

Randle is a baller, man. I didn't believe it at first, and I was still skeptical until recently, but he's legit. He's undeniably better than Porzingis at this point.

[NowWHYcee7]

Randle is a baller, man. I didn't believe it at first, and I was still skeptical until recently, but he's legit. He's undeniably better than Porzingis at this point.

Yeah and not just better....way better. His turnaround has been so satisfying to see.

[clyde21]

this is one of the strangest beefs I've seen in RGM lol

[Riot Randolph]

This is what you get when your brother is in charge and you have a dbag bodybuilder as a personal trainer

[Zenzibar]

Funny part is that Randle turned into a jump shooter and KP is the better post scorer and inside finisher. Not what I expected.

[FreeSpiritNY]

How can he be overrated putting up 23/10/6 with 57 TS%? What does he have to do give you 2 BPG & 2 SPG also?

Well for one he plays for the Knicks and anytime someone plays competently for them they get way too much hype (see: Porzingis) for another Thibs is playing him a crazy amount of minutes which inflates his numbers.

He’s not even averaging the most points or rebounds per minute or highest ts% of his career. But he did that for the Pelicans playing the amount of minutes he should be playing so no one cared.

I’m not saying he’s a bad player but those are classic hallmarks of someone being overrated. The Knicks have a bad offense and Randle plays a huge role in that.

To put it simply: you're painting a completely inaccurate picture because you don't watch knicks games. The knicks came into the season with an over/under of 22.5 wins and their success is a direct result of randle changing his mentality and style of play on *both ends* under thibs. Last season all they did was feed him in the post where he'd get doubled and force up shots or turn the ball over.

This year he makes much quicker decisions the ball, plays downhill and yes he's having a career year shooting from outside. The offense ranks where it does due to overall roster composition, not because of randle. All you have to do is look at the lineup data. The team success speaks for itself relative to expectations. You compare him in NOLA to NY as far as being overrated, yet conveniently ignore that he played with holiday and anythony davis. His responsibility here is wildly different.

lll make it really easy for him KP plays with doncic and Randel's second best player Is RJ. a 20 year old. Doncic a top 5 player in the league.. guess what team has a better record. The knicks. Guess who put up two 40 + games this season. Randel. guess who put up 5 30+ games in a row. Randel. KP is the overrated one. What team would you take Doncic, Brunson or RJ & payton.. Very simple Randel is the the far superior player.

Did most knicks fan want him gone. Yes. But lets talk about when we first signed him. Most fans were happy and thought he would have been a really good player. Dont get mad because the knicks won the trade. Dont get mad because the knicks have a really bright future if they don't mess it up.

[Woodsanity]

I will take the guy who isn't hurt every other game.

Randle is already better currently if you don't factor in health. Certain fans don't seem to understand the importance of availability.