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[Prokorov]

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At least he knows.

Kyrie is a ultimate scorer and pretty great one for sure. However he ain't James MVP Harden who can elevate role players to another level. Thats why we see those cold stretches from this team. With Harden in this is 10+ point win every day.

I believe I said this plenty of time. Having to elite closers is great and can go a long way. Its just you need higher quality role players around them, LeVert, Dinwiddie to name few. The likes of Brown, Green etc wont be enough vs quality PO teams. You'll going to need a superstar player like Harden to logg 30+ min in order to win these type of games.

The difference with harden too is he is so good at getting to the FT line. so late in games if shots arent falling he can slow transition and manufactor points that way.

Kyrie doesnt hunt fouls, and for whatever reason he gets very few calls for a guy who gets knocked to the ground and scores at the rim a ton. KD gets to the line a bit more, but late in games is also jumper heavy.

Even with Harden, i still want kyrie taking the big shots late, but harden likely would have scored/setup better shots to where it wasnt even this close. Harden makes us from one of the best offense ever to THE best offense ever.

[GTR11]

We will have to settle for that 2-3 seed and monitor who'll end up where when it comes to that. Facing Miami in a first round is not best option by any means. If we slide one spot down in order to face duh nix we should do it without thinking twice.

Another thing is we need to grow some skin here. If we want to embrace Evil Empire thing we need to act as one too. Let the trolls come over, stop over reacting for every loss etc. Embracing challenges is what we need to take to another level. We ain't swamp Nets from years past or little brother, we are that bully who muscle his way

[GTR11]

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Kyrie is a ultimate scorer and pretty great one for sure. However he ain't James MVP Harden who can elevate role players to another level. Thats why we see those cold stretches from this team. With Harden in this is 10+ point win every day.

I believe I said this plenty of time. Having to elite closers is great and can go a long way. Its just you need higher quality role players around them, LeVert, Dinwiddie to name few. The likes of Brown, Green etc wont be enough vs quality PO teams. You'll going to need a superstar player like Harden to logg 30+ min in order to win these type of games.

The difference with harden too is he is so good at getting to the FT line. so late in games if shots arent falling he can slow transition and manufactor points that way.

Kyrie doesnt hunt fouls, and for whatever reason he gets very few calls for a guy who gets knocked to the ground and scores at the rim a ton. KD gets to the line a bit more, but late in games is also jumper heavy.

Even with Harden, i still want kyrie taking the big shots late, but harden likely would have scored/setup better shots to where it wasnt even this close. Harden makes us from one of the best offense ever to THE best offense ever.

100% agreed on everything. Only thing that worries me at this point is chemistry issues down the road. We are head and shoulders above any team when it come to quality of star players and depth. We just have no continuity to speak of.

[BKlutch]

Tough loss. I agree with above knicks fan though. Harden is the key that opens the flow of our offense. Our shooters will be more open especially Joey Buckets. There will be no stopping us with all 3 healthy. There’s also plenty of games left for our run and first seed is still on the table. Not sure it’s that important though. Harden will solve the riddle.

I'm certain all the doubts expressed in this thread about Nash will be resolved when Harden is running the offense. People will start to say Nash is a genius! LOL

[Prokorov]

We will have to settle for that 2-3 seed and monitor who'll end up where when it comes to that. Facing Miami in a first round is not best option by any means. If we slide one spot down in order to face duh nix we should do it without thinking twice.

Another thing is we need to grow some skin here. If we want to embrace Evil Empire thing we need to act as one too. Let the trolls come over, stop over reacting for every loss etc. Embracing challenges is what we need to take to another level. We ain't swamp Nets from years past or little brother, we are that bully who muscle his way

I wouldnt write off the 1 seed. 1.5 games back with 17 to play. even if you call that virutally 2.5 back due to tiebreakers, that is like 3 times as many games as we would need to make a run at it.

it really all depends on when harden is back. we get him next week and were in business for it.

in the end, it doesnt matter. the teams i worry about are still below us not above us. Boston and miami if they are rolling going into the playoffs will be our toughest competition. Milwaukee doesnt scare me. Philly needs to get to the ECF to face us and i just dont see it and even if they did, i dont see it taking more then 5 games to dispose of them.

but boston has gamers who all step up in the playoffs and elite in-game coaches who will exploit even the smallest cracks in our team.

[Prokorov]

Kyrie is a ultimate scorer and pretty great one for sure. However he ain't James MVP Harden who can elevate role players to another level. Thats why we see those cold stretches from this team. With Harden in this is 10+ point win every day.

I believe I said this plenty of time. Having to elite closers is great and can go a long way. Its just you need higher quality role players around them, LeVert, Dinwiddie to name few. The likes of Brown, Green etc wont be enough vs quality PO teams. You'll going to need a superstar player like Harden to logg 30+ min in order to win these type of games.

The difference with harden too is he is so good at getting to the FT line. so late in games if shots arent falling he can slow transition and manufactor points that way.

Kyrie doesnt hunt fouls, and for whatever reason he gets very few calls for a guy who gets knocked to the ground and scores at the rim a ton. KD gets to the line a bit more, but late in games is also jumper heavy.

Even with Harden, i still want kyrie taking the big shots late, but harden likely would have scored/setup better shots to where it wasnt even this close. Harden makes us from one of the best offense ever to THE best offense ever.

100% agreed on everything. Only thing that worries me at this point is chemistry issues down the road. We are head and shoulders above any team when it come to quality of star players and depth. We just have no continuity to speak of.

It shocks me when anyone brings up chemisty. i think it is our biggest strength let alone a weakness or a concern. KD/Kyrie/Harden have been playing together for a long time when you look at Team USA, Hardens pro-am, all-star games, and Karden/KD in OKC. DJ/Blake are role guys but also played a otn with those guys on team usa. On top of that, KD is the most portable player ever as a scorer who doesnt need to play on ball and harden is the easiest guy in the league to play with. the big 3 have looked great as a trio and kyrie/harden have been like a new age frazier and monroe.

our role players have all been great. harden clicked with them day 1. they all know their role and other then maybe TLC no one goes outside of it.

Chemistry for me is a given. my worry is injuries and coaching.

[Prokorov]

Tough loss. I agree with above knicks fan though. Harden is the key that opens the flow of our offense. Our shooters will be more open especially Joey Buckets. There will be no stopping us with all 3 healthy. There’s also plenty of games left for our run and first seed is still on the table. Not sure it’s that important though. Harden will solve the riddle.

I'm certain all the doubts expressed in this thread about Nash will be resolved when Harden is running the offense. People will start to say Nash is a genius! LOL

We have seen all of Nash's flaws when harden was playing pre-injury. it was glaring even as we went 17-2. Harden covers up alot of nashs shortcomings but it is still easy to spot we were winning in spite of poor coaching.

[BKlutch]

Tough loss. I agree with above knicks fan though. Harden is the key that opens the flow of our offense. Our shooters will be more open especially Joey Buckets. There will be no stopping us with all 3 healthy. There’s also plenty of games left for our run and first seed is still on the table. Not sure it’s that important though. Harden will solve the riddle.

I'm certain all the doubts expressed in this thread about Nash will be resolved when Harden is running the offense. People will start to say Nash is a genius! LOL

We have seen all of Nash's flaws when harden was playing pre-injury. it was glaring even as we went 17-2. Harden covers up alot of nashs shortcomings but it is still easy to spot we were winning in spite of poor coaching.

Do you see this being because he's a rookie coach, or because he doesn't have game management skills?

[sashaturiaf]

Heat are a disciplined, well coached team. There is no shame in losing at the buzzer. For one I think I felt better after this game than the Hornets one even though the result was different.

- Kyrie had one of the worst stretches I've seen from him. But the Heat have a team of strong Iso defenders and we were also short handed so all the defensive attention went to Kyrie. Having said that I think he got the shots he wanted, they just didn't fall. It happens.
- good to see coaches willing to mix things up. Went full small for a game and saw the pros and cons that goes along with that. Wonder if this is a trial to see whether we pick up a PG or another big with the final roster spot.
- always said Shamet will come around. Let shooters shoot and good things will eventually happen
- Alize has to play more

And just want to say everybody looks at Harden with rose tinted glasses but there are definitely downsides to Harden ball, we were settling for 30 foot stepbacks in the 4th and beating the minnows of the league in the last seconds, the offensive flow depends on having multiple unguardable threats not just one bearded saviour.. Dont think anybody should blame Kyrie for today, this team is built to go all the way with all of the big 3 not just one..

[Prokorov]

I'm certain all the doubts expressed in this thread about Nash will be resolved when Harden is running the offense. People will start to say Nash is a genius! LOL

We have seen all of Nash's flaws when harden was playing pre-injury. it was glaring even as we went 17-2. Harden covers up alot of nashs shortcomings but it is still easy to spot we were winning in spite of poor coaching.

Do you see this being because he's a rookie coach, or because he doesn't have game management skills?

The ladder. I dont think it has anything to do with being a rookie coach. The mistakes he makes are things that a middle school coach wouldnt make. like the very basics. it is absurd someone who played as long as he has is so bad at things so basic.

[Whiskey Slick]

I've been watching and playing ball all my life, and I don't understand all the rules anymore.

Why couldn't we challenge that OBVIOUS Goaltending?

GUESS WHAT, we get that call reversed and there is no buzzer-beater loss.

Besides the refs being blind, which is another story, why couldn't that Goaltending be challenged?

And if it could, did Nash and the CS have their heads up their derrières?

If the league can take away a 3 why can’t they add points for an obvious missed goaltend?

Good Question with no logical answer.

[Prokorov]

I've been watching and playing ball all my life, and I don't understand all the rules anymore.

Why couldn't we challenge that OBVIOUS Goaltending?

GUESS WHAT, we get that call reversed and there is no buzzer-beater loss.

Besides the refs being blind, which is another story, why couldn't that Goaltending be challenged?

And if it could, did Nash and the CS have their heads up their derrières?

If the league can take away a 3 why can’t they add points for an obvious missed goaltend?

Good Question with no logical answer.

It was absurd not to challenge it. there is a higherarchy of when to challenge and a demarc of when you do it automatic:

1) overturns a FG + removes a foul on a star: example: basket and1 with the foul on KD. video shows it was a charge
2) overturns 5th or 6th foul on a star
3) overturns a charge on a play you scored/shooting foul: example: harden called for a charge, video shows it was a block on a FGA
4) overturns a goaltending on your team: call was a goaltend, video shows your player had a clean block
5) overturns a non-goaltending call: call was clean block, video shows it was a clear goaltend
6) overturns a turnover late in the game: video shows you didnt turn it over
7) gives you a turnover that wasnt called late in the game: video shows rhey stepped out of bounds

Those are all automatic. take points off the board for the opponent or add them yourself + negating important fouls. not challenging a turnover or 3rd foul that was obviuos you let go. because those may not factor in. but 2 points is 2 points no matter what time in the game it is.

[Prokorov]

It looks like you guys see Kyrie similarly. The best hope is that when Harden runs the team, the winning will help Kyrie to understand that he is best in his role as a scorer and that even good scorers sometimes need to pass to the open man when someone else on the team has the better shot.

There is nothing to hope. this happened like day 1. Kyrie even said publically harden is the point and he is the SG. we went on a 17-2 run with Harden/Kyrie both playing like MVPs.

Doncic had 19 assists when the Knicks defended him well, and Dallas was competitive because of that. Doncic is also an incredible scorer, but he understands the team concept better than Kyrie -- but maybe not as well as Harden?

Kyrie passes a ton. he had 15 assists the other night. He had 10 against philly. The thing with kyrie is the dude is just so good in isolation that often passing to the open guy is worse offense then attacking the 1 on 1.

Kyrie average 117 points per 100 possesions in isolation. to put in perspective how absurd that is, the best offense in the league this season is averaging 118 points per 100 possesions. it similar to kobe. when you can get your shot anytime and are elite making your shot when you get it your never gonna be a 10 assist guy. that said, kyrie is no black hole. he does a ton of passing. watch the the last few games with no KD/Harden.

To someone who doesn't follow the Nets as closely as you do, it seems that a healthy Harden is your best route to the Finals. I hate to see a great player out for very long, so good luck getting him back and let's see some spectacular ball.

Harden is our floor raiser. we can win a title with just him and kyrie or just him and harden. it would be tough otherwise. we need him.

with all 3, its a lock.

[GTR11]

The difference with harden too is he is so good at getting to the FT line. so late in games if shots arent falling he can slow transition and manufactor points that way.

Kyrie doesnt hunt fouls, and for whatever reason he gets very few calls for a guy who gets knocked to the ground and scores at the rim a ton. KD gets to the line a bit more, but late in games is also jumper heavy.

Even with Harden, i still want kyrie taking the big shots late, but harden likely would have scored/setup better shots to where it wasnt even this close. Harden makes us from one of the best offense ever to THE best offense ever.

100% agreed on everything. Only thing that worries me at this point is chemistry issues down the road. We are head and shoulders above any team when it come to quality of star players and depth. We just have no continuity to speak of.

It shocks me when anyone brings up chemisty. i think it is our biggest strength let alone a weakness or a concern. KD/Kyrie/Harden have been playing together for a long time when you look at Team USA, Hardens pro-am, all-star games, and Karden/KD in OKC. DJ/Blake are role guys but also played a otn with those guys on team usa. On top of that, KD is the most portable player ever as a scorer who doesnt need to play on ball and harden is the easiest guy in the league to play with. the big 3 have looked great as a trio and kyrie/harden have been like a new age frazier and monroe.

our role players have all been great. harden clicked with them day 1. they all know their role and other then maybe TLC no one goes outside of it.

Chemistry for me is a given. my worry is injuries and coaching.

Prok you cant just look at top 3 and make your mind up, how about rest? Those guys going to be huge because more often than not teams will force them take shots before top 3. Come PO time things will magnify 10 times and everything will be exposed.


Playing together during Olympics and All Star game c'mon now, you better than that. Top 3 played 6 games together, 7 if you count KD last in and out game.

PS, it'll be much easier for star players to adjust than our role players. They the one's that'll do biggest adjustments.

[Prokorov]

Prok you cant just look at top 3 and make your mind up, how about rest? Those guys going to be huge because more often than not teams will force them take shots before top 3. Come PO time things will magnify 10 times and everything will be exposed.

Chemistry is elite 1 through 15. we have seen it all year. guys in and out of the lineup, doesnt matter. everyone meshes. guys can play multiple spots. everyone knows their roles and where to be and stays in that role. guys play exceptional off one another.

There are only 2 guys on the floor with the big 3. joe harris and claxton. if you want to give joe a 3 or claxton a dunk go right ahead

Playing together during Olympics and All Star game c'mon now, you better than that. Top 3 played 6 games together, 7 if you count KD last in and out game.

they know each other. the know their games. the 7 games they played together they had the best offensive rating in NBA history. no team in the NBA has better chemistry.

PS, it'll be much easier for star players to adjust than our role players. They the one's that'll do biggest adjustments.

our role players have all had outstanding chemistry. this is the strength of this team. chemistry.

[GTR11]

Prok you cant just look at top 3 and make your mind up, how about rest? Those guys going to be huge because more often than not teams will force them take shots before top 3. Come PO time things will magnify 10 times and everything will be exposed.

Chemistry is elite 1 through 15. we have seen it all year. guys in and out of the lineup, doesnt matter. everyone meshes. guys can play multiple spots. everyone knows their roles and where to be and stays in that role. guys play exceptional off one another.

There are only 2 guys on the floor with the big 3. joe harris and claxton. if you want to give joe a 3 or claxton a dunk go right ahead

Playing together during Olympics and All Star game c'mon now, you better than that. Top 3 played 6 games together, 7 if you count KD last in and out game.

they know each other. the know their games. the 7 games they played together they had the best offensive rating in NBA history. no team in the NBA has better chemistry.

PS, it'll be much easier for star players to adjust than our role players. They the one's that'll do biggest adjustments.

our role players have all had outstanding chemistry. this is the strength of this team. chemistry.

You relying on games you've seen during dog days with teams still adjusting. Teams will game plan and execute their defensive plays to elite levels. Playoffs completely different animal and unlike other teams we don't have that set plays we can rely on every time. Iso ball teams to death won't work for 48 min period whether you agree or not. They ain't that bad and they also have star power they can rely on to. Shoving chemistry to the side tells me you not even considering other side of the ball, we can use improvements on D big time.

[sashaturiaf]

I'm glad we're exposing the flaws of the team for all to see before the playoffs start. Final 15 games of the season is to trial lineups and address those flaws for mine, would like to see a consistent defensive effort for 48 minutes for one

The only thing that matters is that the big 3 enters the playoffs healthy and ready. If that happens, no team in the league is going to be able to deal with that in a series. The role players are more than capable enough of filling in the blanks. Joe as the 2nd option isn't good, as the 4th he is deadly

We've had to deal with terrible luck with injuries so far. Fingers crossed that this is it ..

[MrDollarBills]

I'm glad we're exposing the flaws of the team for all to see before the playoffs start. Final 15 games of the season is to trial lineups and address those flaws for mine, would like to see a consistent defensive effort for 48 minutes for one

The only thing that matters is that the big 3 enters the playoffs healthy and ready. If that happens, no team in the league is going to be able to deal with that in a series. The role players are more than capable enough of filling in the blanks. Joe as the 2nd option isn't good, as the 4th he is deadly

We've had to deal with terrible luck with injuries so far. Fingers crossed that this is it ..

This. If we have all 3 guys healthy next month none of this stuff matters.

[Prokorov]

Prok you cant just look at top 3 and make your mind up, how about rest? Those guys going to be huge because more often than not teams will force them take shots before top 3. Come PO time things will magnify 10 times and everything will be exposed.

Chemistry is elite 1 through 15. we have seen it all year. guys in and out of the lineup, doesnt matter. everyone meshes. guys can play multiple spots. everyone knows their roles and where to be and stays in that role. guys play exceptional off one another.

There are only 2 guys on the floor with the big 3. joe harris and claxton. if you want to give joe a 3 or claxton a dunk go right ahead

Playing together during Olympics and All Star game c'mon now, you better than that. Top 3 played 6 games together, 7 if you count KD last in and out game.

they know each other. the know their games. the 7 games they played together they had the best offensive rating in NBA history. no team in the NBA has better chemistry.

PS, it'll be much easier for star players to adjust than our role players. They the one's that'll do biggest adjustments.

our role players have all had outstanding chemistry. this is the strength of this team. chemistry.

You relying on games you've seen during dog days with teams still adjusting. Teams will game plan and execute their defensive plays to elite levels. Playoffs completely different animal and unlike other teams we don't have that set plays we can rely on every time. Iso ball teams to death won't work for 48 min period whether you agree or not. They ain't that bad and they also have star power they can rely on to. Shoving chemistry to the side tells me you not even considering other side of the ball, we can use improvements on D big time.

ISO ball has actually proven to be THE most effective basketball in the playoffs the past decade plus. ISO'ing also works alot better when you have the 3 best iso player in the league without the luxury of double teaming them